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Not even the price of one pro level camera lens. A portable version of the Pro XDR display is pretty compelling for some professional visual artists. I'm guessing Apple will sell a ton of these.
That's quite a leap of logic if you ask me (which you didn't
).
Apple's refusal to allow operating system rollbacks has never been about the storage media. It's about their pervasive desire to force people to the latest version.
But I would love for you to be right. The fact that a "backup" isn't a backup, in the sense that you can't get back to where you were when you made the backup, is the one and only thing about iOS that I just can't keep from loathing.
I don't know the history of Final Cut or when they bought it, so I can't guess what Apple's motivation was there. But, there was a point when they were worried that they wouldn't carry the pro creative community or developers with them in the transitions they were making. So, possibly.
I can’t afford that $2400 one, but the 1TB version is the one for me.
That TB port is probably an indication that external display support (real, not just mirror screen) is coming
We are different - some living in “poor” part of the world and some in the privileged part - I’m about to pay +2000$ for an iPad with M1/16GB - but, that’s me, somebody else have problem finding money for food 😥😥
I coming back to iPad all the time, although I have both Macbook Pro M1 and iMac 27” 5K late 2017 - there are most fun on the iOS/iPadOS community!
The Thunderbolt port is going to enable a lot of things. The one that is important to me and will likely enable a lot of pro level uses of the iPad Pro is this one here
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/avfaudio/avaudiosession/port/3563924-thunderbolt
This is in the AVFAudio framework. Note the AVB I/O port down the page a bit. It's no longer marked beta and is now marked as iOS 14+. This was certainly done for the iPad Pro.
I can't afford any of them really and I should stick to the 11" version, but that XDR display is so tempting. Luckily for my finances, I don't need that much storage space on the iPad. I can more than get by with the 256GB level.
AVB? As in it can join a Motu/Presonus AVB network?
Hmmm, this could be huge. I wonder how many audio channels it'll support?
Any notes in iPadOS 14?
I think no matter which one you get, the M1 is going to make it a shocking improvement over the prior generation models.
Yeah, that would be the AVB it's referring to. It's builtin to Macs, so I'm assuming this will be similar to that implementation. It is different though since it comes through the AVFoundation stuff instead of the older Mac specific frameworks.
Beyond this info? I don't know. I haven't been able to play with it and I've been waiting for more info. I'm taking taking the M1 and Thunderbolt to be a good sign. The only thing I can say beyond that is "welcome to the wondrous state of Apple's developer docs." At this point, they don't distinguish between iOS and iPadOS. This is actually reasonable because for most things they are the same. Compatibility with MacCatalyst is a bit more of an indication that this will have some iPad focus. There's more overlap between iPad apps on the Mac than there is for plain iOS apps.
At this point I'm hopeful. I need a new interface, but I've been holding out since I saw the docs and waiting to see if I can buy an AVB router instead. I was actually working on getting up to speed with doing some network audio programming to develop a new app, but if this does bring us AVB to the iPad I'll happily throw everything I've done so far in the bin.
I'm on the first gen iPad Pro 9.7". I think anything I get now will be a pretty shocking improvement. It's kinda bad though because I'm a strong believer in doing development on the weakest machine that'll support what you want to develop. The problem is, the weakest machine to work on what I want to try now may be the fastest machine Apple makes.
I wonder if it can also mean more audio channels through IDAM
That sounds promising @NeonSilicon! Thank you.
I need to more research on AVB. (Was hoping iConnectivity would release something much bigger than the AUDIO4c).
For those interested in AVB, here's some links.
https://www.presonus.com/learn/technical-articles/an-introduction-to-avb-networking
https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/210194293-Supported-AVB-network-switches
https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/360051876532-Series-III-AVB-Ecosystem-With-MacOS-Big-Sur
https://motu.com/techsupport/technotes/avb
How do you then get around paying customs on the thing though? Hypothetically speaking, obviously. I am also in the EU, have just checked the comparative prices and I could buy an extra ipad mini from the difference
OTOH, I also like universal health care and some of the other stuff we have because of the higher taxes, so in a way I feel bad about even asking 🤷
Not really. They bought the entire team that developed Logic, Emagic a German company, and that team then developed GarageBand.
Also not an anomaly. FInal cut was bought in. Even iTunes was based on sound jam.
They did develop Aperture. Wonder what happens to that?
(Actually I still use it and am still not over it being discontinued!!)
Absolutely. And the iPads Pro appear to be even faster than their predecessors than usual as Apple never put an A13 into the iPads Pro.
My guess is that single core performance of the M1 in the iPads will be in between that of the A14 iPad Air 4 and the M1 MacBook Air. And you can extrapolate the pro performance from the new iPad air — it’s going to be close to the difference between the A12 and A12Z.
The M1 is a great chip. And the ‘M1’ name has proved to be fantastic for the marketing department.
Now all we need is for an iPadOS to unleash that power. The most limiting factor for audio performance on an iPad isn’t the processor.
This here. Also, Apple has always been a hardware company at heart. The objects it creates are brilliant. But it is very often an inconvenient truth that on the sw side both Windows and Android have surpassed their Apple counterparts quite some time ago (I could add "for my use case" for nuance but it's not really necessary). Look at which copies more from the other these days.
BUT.
Apple's strict control over hardware creates an amazing environment that noone else can compete with for some specific applications. Maybe not so much on the desktop now but definitely still on tablets. Android music apps, anyone?
This being an iOS mobile music community I am aware that I should see myself out at this point, and I would if I could in a heartbeat because I really dislike Apple, but there's no non-Apple alternative to AUM etc., unfortunately, so I'm stuck. Apologies.
I know the history of Logic. I've still got an Emagic dongle and the discs around here somewhere. Actually, I can tell you the exact line of pixels to click to crash the entire freaking DAW, but that's a different story.
This is actually my point. Apple bought these companies to protect themselves during a vulnerable time. This isn't typical for them. Going all the way back to the original Macintosh release, they tend to use their first party software to demonstrate how to develop for their platform. To show off the UI conventions and how to fit into the feel of the platform. MacPaint, MacWrite, and MacDraw, as useful as they were, were there to show third party companies how to develop for the Mac. When these programs were overshadowed by competitors with new better software, it didn't hurt Apple. It sold a whole bunch more Macs. It launched entire industries really. We are at that point again. For the iPad to really reach its full potential, it's going to need strong third party applications.
I don't know this to be true, but my suspicion has always been that Apple killed Aperture to appease Adobe. Apple was starting to get into too many of their partners' spaces and I think it was hurting their relationships. Adobe, as much as I hate their software, is really important to the Apple platform.
Haha me too. I have the ADB one and the USB stick. v1 of Notator Logic came with a T-Shirt in the box. I don't have that anymore... :-/
I've also got a little 4 port Emagic MIDI interface -- It still works!
I also don’t think that “all the world” is waiting for Logic to make its debut on iPads. But what I think is that many big software companies keep an eye on the iPad development. So if one “big player” (Apple, Ableton, Steinberg, Avid...) will start dropping a proper DAW on iOS and it’s sold well some of the other companies might follow (except for AVID that will need another 10 years to be ready 😬).
So if there is a desire eg for Ableton, a Logic release might be a good encouragement for Ableton to reconsider.
In other words. I see Logic as a fertiliser for iPadOS to become a thriving music platform. Many audio plugin and software instrument devs surely hold back at the moment due to the lack of a big DAW. There are a few great DAW on iPadOS already but non of them comes close to the complexity of one of the major desktop DAWs. So why would I spend a lot of money as a dev for a platform that doesn’t even have a proper DAW - software to make proper use of my plugin.
So Logic (or any major DAW) on iPadOS = healthy for the whole iPad music making sector.
That’s how I see it.
They will likely first start with Mainstage. But if they manage to bring their Pro applications to tablets, I sense a paid subscription may be offered to use those applications on any supported platform
As long as Logic for Mac & iPad doesn't turn into subscription sh*t I'm ok with it...
I think it’s quite obvious that you just can’t release a mouse operated DAW to the iPad. You need to adapt the UI to it. Of all desktop DAWs Bitwig is the best one to operate by touch, that gives them an edge over the competition. Given that they need to port their MacOS codebase to ARM anyway...
So, my bet is Bitwig
Yeah Bitwig is fantastic - bought a Dell XPS 13 6 core just for Bitwig. I’m a total Mac dude but Bitwig just feels amazing on the Dell.
I understand Apple wants to not canabalize their iOS device sales by making the MacBooks touch screen, but it’s gotta coming soon - especially how touch oriented everything looks in Big Sur.
Many here agreed that it wouldn’t make any sense to port over a 1:1 copy of Logic desktop. Apple definitely has to change big parts of the UI to make it touch compatible. They surely will release a fleshed out version at first and will add more and more features over time.
But yeah Bitwig would be quite an obvious choice if they can port over the code.
I’m happy that Apple is further investing into the iPad so we surely will see it moving forward quite a bit
I’m inclined to chalk that up to Apple’s reluctance to introduce new features in a half-baked form, but opinions obviously vary.
@kdogg :Bitwig touch isn’t cramped on the 13.6?
I can imagine that, to be fair. OTOH they were baking the "widgets for the mobile home screen" feature for about a decade and they still came out with a sub-par effort, so it's probably not always the case.
More on topic though, ios music app devs are fantastic.