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I never got a T-shirt. That would have been pretty cool. I do still have the OS X T-shirt that shipped with the first developer release.
I also have the NeXT sticker that came with my NeXT Cube, I've been very tempted to ruin it and stick it on my Mac Mini.
Hey folks, think twice.
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Hey guys.... I am a windows guy, but i have the 2018 iPad Pro. What the heck is this thunderbolt item if the new iPad comes with USB C for charging? See Pic... am I an idiot? More adapters to buy???
USB-C is the connector for Thunderbolt too. So, in this case Thunderbolt ==> USB4 over USB-C connector.
@NeonSilicon Thank you..... I need to read what thunderbolt is as I thought it was an actual interface.
@onerez Thunderbolt is a high performance protocol on the USB4 standard which uses USB-C type connectors. It‘s at the moment the fastest serial data interface for computers.
thank you...... makes sense now.
It is an interface and it is very fast. The confusing part is the connector. They used the USB-C connector to multiplex multiple interface standards together.
This is all coming to Windows too since USB-4 is basically Thunderbolt over USB-C.
It can actually get confusing to know what interface your device is using if it says it's USB and Thunderbolt enabled. Or Thunderbolt vs. Displayport. They are all the same port now, but the interface is different.
I wrote a long post last night in another thread explaining why I believe macOS is not coming to the iPad Pro. You can read it here if you're interested: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/944333/#Comment_944333.
This is actually interesting. Classic Apple
You buy an expensive device with "the fastest port ever" and then you still have to spend another $40 on a TB cable because it's not included
It gets worse: the Mac Pro starts at $6K, and you don't even get a monitor, which you need to operate the machine!
I've never had to buy a Thunderbolt cable. They come with every device I've got that is Thunderbolt.
Thunderbolt cables are touchy though. If you are actually going over the Thunderbolt interface, the cable needs to be short and fit correctly. You see lots of reports of bad disks and such that are probably bad cables causing the connection loss. TB cables tend to be expensive if they are good.
Also, to make it a pain again and more confusing, you can't use a USB-C cable even though both connectors on the cable and device look like Thunderbolt.
But not with Apple's devices. I have a macbook pro with 4 tb ports (cable not included, of course) and if I buy a new M1 ipad pro, I still need to buy a thunderbolt cable to get that transfer speed
Why on earth would they include a Thunderbolt cable in the box when you have no Thunderbolt device to connect it to? You just want to have it dangling out the bottom of your iPad at all times? When you buy a desktop PC it doesn't come with a bunch of cables for every port on there that you might ever connect to something else, the cables come with the peripheral devices.
You are right about desktop computers. As for ipads, one might say they are peripheral devices
The price of Bitwig wouldn’t translate well to the app store though.
Except for video cables. I have so many useless VGA and DVI cables. Why do they send me these with every monitor I get?
You might. I wouldn't.
I guess apple would happily take their 30% from that pricetag
Hmmmm...
If they could do iOS with FabFilter scale of pricing (volume / less piracy rationale?) it would be 80$ USD which would be over 100$ CAD. I would buy it for sure. As a sub? Mmm, I’d try it for a month at around 10$ / month but it would have to click with me / compete with desktop for long term.
If we want pro-level apps, at some point we're going to have to accept that we have to pay pro-level prices for them. It's simply not economical for large developers to spend a bunch of time porting highly complex apps to iPad - which, done properly, is going to require a complete redesign of the interface for touch - and then earn the peanuts that are currently on offer in the App Store. Cubase 11 for desktop starts at $99 for the Elements version and goes up to nearly $600 for the Pro version. In that light, it's kind of amazing that we get Cubasis for $50 - and I'd bet folding money that most of the forum members who own it didn't pay full price for it.
Yes, I agree and I some weeks ago I already assumed that there might be a future pro segment in the appstore. These apps only install on an iPad Pro, deliver more value but also cost more. The remaining problem is the 30% ‚Apple tax‘. Selling Cubase on an iPad for $600 means $200 would go to Apple. I think that would be unacceptable for Steinberg.
Pro apps should also be able to reinstall previous versions. I don't see Apple budging on this one though.
I think this is the biggest impediment to lots of companies releasing on the iPad. They already have entire infrastructure selling their stuff and the 30% is mostly straight loss for them. Not being in complete control of your release and marketing is also a problem for big companies. Many companies need a constant set of upgrade pricing to support themselves. FL is a notable exception, but not every audio application has the constant stream of new users that they do.
I’m using it mostly in 2 screen mode where the laptop screen is at the hi res blown up resolution so the Bitwig native devices / the Grid are all super easy to manipulate / the mpe on screen keyboard too.
Inflation-adjusted those eye watering prices are pretty much in line with prior Mac Pro systems of years past. The numbers change, but the value is nearly the same.
But because my income didn’t keep up with inflation (
), I stopped buying Mac Pro systems, then I bought iMacs for a while, and today I only buy the iPad Pro. Honestly, the iPad Pro is my favorite computer I’ve ever owned (despite some limitations) and I’m really looking forward to the new M1 iPad Pro.
I bought my uad Apollo x8 2 summers ago on open box price for $2200, and I needed to buy a thunderbolt cable as well as it didn’t come with it. And, since I have thunderbolt 2 on my 2012 mbp, I had to buy a thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapter, so another $90 in cables to hook up my new interface. The Apollo, when not on open box price (mine didn’t appear to ever have been opened) is about $600 more.
Cables are pretty frustrating. And Apple loves to sell adapters. Luckily it all works well and the Apollo has paid for itself in that time.
And for those of us who are of middle age: the $2K my parents paid for a loaded Apple //e system on the eve of 1984 would be a little over $5K in current dollars. $2K in 2021 gets you an iPad Pro with multiple orders of magnitude more processing power, RAM, and storage capability than that hoary old //e, and I can hold it in my hands and use it on the bus.
The fact-bitch in me won't let me pass without commenting that it's now 15% for sales up to US $1 million per year, which I imagine includes the majority of iOS music app developers.
Sorry ... I hate being "that guy".
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/small-business-program/
The majority certainly, but probably not the companies that are the big audio companies. In my view, it is a really bad system even for small companies. So, a 1 person company that makes $900,000 per year gets charged 15% but a 10 person company that makes $1,000,000 gets 30%. That's just silly. Beyond that, it really just shows that Apple can do this it a 15% rate.