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I don't think Logic will come to iOS/iPadOS. Clearly, they want us to want/need a laptop AND a tablet. Logic as a portable solution will surely eat into their Macbook sales.
Garageband, with Logic Pro compatibility is the mobile solution.
Wouldn’t they then rather keep the M1 away from iPad? And why having iPad Pro at all?
If I had a slimmed down version of logic on iPad I wouldn’t want to trade in my Mac.
So I don’t think it would have much of an impact on Mac sales.
I think they're happy giving iCreatives all the power they can, because there are always going to be certain limitations of the apps. Giving us FCP and LP, for many, might be the tipping-point towards an iOS-only workflow. Maybe not for you and I, but I can see a lot of people no longer wanting a laptop, and dealing with the inherent iOS limitations.
I might be wrong
On the other hand, high-end iPads are running at the same price point as entry-level Macs last I checked. And a lot of Apple users want Apple everything.
What they’re actually doing is giving the illusion of choice and variety while standardizing everything as much as possible. The people that can’t afford a Mac might be able to afford an iPad, or at least a really big iPhone. The people that can afford a Mac probably already have an iPhone, or will likely be inspired to do so after entering into the Apple-verse.
Apple’s whole shtick is uniting tech under one umbrella. They’ve never seen sales of one product as a threat to sales of another. That’s their whole brand strategy. Get them hooked on the platform and they’ll buy whatever they need from us.
Trouble is once you have it it all works soooo well together and everything else is a fudge.
Because they've always been good at placing boundaries in just the right places, forcing people's hands.
Anyway, I'm just guessing of course. But I don't think we'll ever see Apple's Pro apps on their mobile-platforms.
I might be wrong
Just noticed my comment from last year about the XDR display and the 16" MBP. Hmm, guess I was wrong on the can't part. I didn't even consider that they'd just make the whole thing fatter. Apple does seem to be changing direction at least a bit.
In fairness, your prediction hit rate is no worse than that of Prosser and the other say-wild-things-for-clicks guys who identify as Apple analysts. 🤷
Ummm, thanks --- I think. Maybe I should look into this as a new professional direction? How do you break into the industry analyst field?
It still amuses me people think logic on an iPad will be a thing
"GarageBand +" or just "Logic" instead of "Logic Pro"...
Well, for one thing, never, ever do what you just did - which is to acknowledge that you were even slightly wrong in the past. You need to be able to make the same or contradictory predictions with equal sincerity at any time.
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1) Write clueless but very confident articles about what Apple will definitely announce at their next event, which can then be discussed ad nauseam by similarly clueless fanbois.
2) Get most of your predictions and even the date of the event totally wrong. Write a follow-up article about why Apple did not introduce the products that they should have because you said they would. Watch the next round of fanboi discussion ensue.
3) Profit.
You can also do your predictions here and increase the speed on online abusive relies from a well informed readership. No profit and potential ignore’d status.
Did you know a Recording Studio iPad is in testing with a head phone preamp and S/PDIF port? early testers include the 2 living Beatles and Bob Dylan. The special Audio OS is code named the “Abbey Load”. Dr. Dre is testing the Bluetooth headphone accessories and approving specific colors. Latency still sucks.
You left out that the premium AI version of Abbey Load will allow you to hum in a tune via your Apple Watch and it will spit out a full blown, perfectly produced track in any genre.
I signed an NDA and cannot comment. The NDA is with Samsung. I cannot discuss competitive products to the new SamSong Mobile Beat Maker and Personal Vubrator. But I have a discord set up to chat. DM me.
@McD LOL. Ok. You win.
In Ringo voice only for the free version. You have to subscribe to unlock John/Paul voices. Harrison's comes later in early 2023.
Well, I'm clearly not cut out for this line of work. I'm going to need to dream up something else for my retirement years.
This is cool.
Guys, don’t let your wishful thinking fool you. Just look at the facts. It’s for certain that Logic‘s codebase is full of legacy code where some parts might date back to the 90s. The UI would require a complete rewrite to make it touch capable. It’s a DAW for 200 bucks where other DAWs cost multiple. IMHO the required makeover is impossible to do at this price point. The only thing I can imagine is a much improved Garage Band and that is what Prosser might have heard and interpreted as Logic Pro on the iPad. Kind of a Garage Band Pro.
The iPad brought me back to music making on a computer some years ago but just recently I bought Bitwig for my Mac. To really work fluid with it, you really need a lot of screen estate. Already the 13“ MacBook display seems to be too small. I really cannot imagine using Bitwig on an 11“ screen. It’s for a reason that most producers have a big monitor in their studio or even two. IMHO for a desktop DAW something like the Logic Remote app is the right idea: using the iPad as a control surface with a touch UI.
ATM I’m enjoying a lot to be creative on the go with Gadget on my iPad, then exporting it as Ableton Live set to my Mac and then open it with Bitwig. I bought the Gadget synths for Mac and then it sounds exactly the same as on my iPad. The synths are great anyway.
I find that apps like Cubasis, Auria and even GarageBand show that it’s possible to get a proper daw experience on iPad.
All it takes is more pro features. Many more pro features. A GarageBand on steroids app.
Of course it doesn’t make sense to cramp a desktop daw on a tablet. A desktop daw that was designed with bigger monitors in mind.
I think we both agree that putting a desktop DAW on the iPad as it is is a bad idea. That’s why I don’t believe in Logic for the iPad. UIs made for iPad are definitely needed. But apart from that you definitely need space for complex stuff. A lot of scrolling is annoying. Drambo has a great touch UX but I hate all the scrolling. It’s so much easier to work with Bitwig‘s Grid. Same for Cubasis. When I have lot of tracks I zoom and scroll a lot. Probably folding groups would help a lot.
My impression, from watching videos where Ableton is used to demonstrate a technique, is that desktop DAWs have more shortcuts to manipulate/transform MIDI notes in the piano roll. That seems achievable...
If Garage Band can’t even export individual stems who knows what ridiculous shortcomings would be built into iLogic.
A "Pro" iPadOS DAW must be on its way from Apple. I see some people saying things along the lines of "logic wouldn't work on touch" and "all they need to do is add features to GarageBand".
What people may be forgetting is that it costs money to add those features, that's the exact difference between GarageBand and logic on MacOS. You have to pay for the pro "advanced" features. When you first open logic it opens up in a GarageBand-eske mode (complete with the nasty wooden sides to the UI). To turn on logics features you need to enable all the advanced features in the settings. This gives the full functionality and makes it look less like GarageBand, it's a nice friendly way for apple to gradually introduce people to their pro piece of software.
The price of Logic Pro is so cheap because some of the cost is subsidized by the hardware itself. Ableton or Cubase sells for £500 because they only get money from that sale whereas Apple gets money from the hardware itself. As logic only runs on Apple devices it even goes as far to generate increased sales of the hardware which in turn increase the funding for software like logic (and final cut).
Now that we have devices capable of running fully fledged DAWs it can only benefit Apple. They're currently in an annoying situation where even the big DAW makers haven't taken iPadOS seriously (yet!). For example Cubase, one of the biggest DAW names and has added the suffix "is" to it's end. It's a cut down non-fully featured version which isn't completely cross compatible with other operating systems. Apple will want everyone to take the device seriously so need to demonstrate the possibilities themselves.
An argument against Apple porting Logic to iPad is the effort that would be needed to make it work on the UI. This is the most reasonable for the arguments against as this is the whole reason iPad doesn't have a native calculator; Apple just can't make it look nice so they'd rather not release it. However, many desktop DAWs have now been optimised for touch and work really well so this shows it can be done. If these companies can then apple certainly can as the revenue from Apples Pro Apps (including Logic) is estimated to be approximately $2 Billion so they definitely have the funding to spend the time to get it right.
The other argument against is that it will reduce sales of Macs. Of course it will, that's the point. It's Apples gain if it reduces sale of Macs because if they were planning for the future they will be reducing the amount of products they will have to support. Even MacOS has become more touch oriented as MacOS and iPadOS become ever closer. I'm not saying that Apple are going to ditch Mac anytime soon but the roadmap for future computing developments over the next 20/30 years needs to start now; Logic itself has been in development for 30 years already.
GarageBand on iPadOS in my opinion is horrible and is completely shown up by some of the other iOS DAWs but these still aren't really "pro" DAWs. GarageBand can't even use the full range of features in AUv3, apples very own latest and greatest plugin format! It only makes sense that it will come but as Apple are facing no real competition in bringing the first "pro" DAW to a portable format, Apple have plenty of time and money to make that happen.
Per @krassmann there are some legacy UI time bombs in Logic, but conta @krassmann, I’ll point out that GarageBand is based on Logic, so a lot of the porting work has already been done. Some of the built-in instruments are an ancient UI mess, but that means they’re way overdue for a refresh on desktop too. Honestly, add a mixer UI to GarageBand and remove some of the training wheels features and you’re halfway there UI-wise. The processing code already runs on M1, there are probably just some OS libraries that have to be worked around.
There have been a lot of interesting takes on this thread. I don’t agree that there’s a deliberate strategy to keep pro users locked in to the Mac; Apple has clearly stated on several occasions that they see the iPad as “our clearest vision for the future of computing” or words to that effect. It’s just going a lot slower than many, including myself, wish it were going, and I think it is fair to say that Apple’s focus hasn’t really been on application software lately, probably because of the big Apple Silicon shift.
I will be pleasantly surprised if Logic Pro for iPad drops this year. I will be unpleasantly surprised if it hasn’t happened in another two years. The one way I think it might not happen is if someone like Ableton beats them to the platform and takes a dominant position, but it would take something desktop-equivalent and Ableton doesn’t even support AUv3 on the desktop yet.
I believe Logic for iOS “could” happen. I also believe desktop DAWs in general (Ableton, etc) on iOS “could” happen. From a technical point of view. The main reason I think it’s not going to happen is the small user base and iOS pricing.