Atom | Piano Roll 2 is now available

Korakios

@zilch said:

@Korakios said:

@tja said:
Did I understand correctly, that a Bundle is coming?

Yes , within a week

within a week???

It's under Apple's review process

Pierre118

@Korakios said:

@zilch said:

@Korakios said:

@tja said:
Did I understand correctly, that a Bundle is coming?

Yes , within a week

within a week???

It's under Apple's review process

Mela 2 synth came out later than Atom 2. But the bundle is already available.........

dpeace

@Pierre118 said:

@Korakios said:

@zilch said:

@Korakios said:

@tja said:
Did I understand correctly, that a Bundle is coming?

Yes , within a week

within a week???

It's under Apple's review process

Mela 2 synth came out later than Atom 2. But the bundle is already available.........

Apple can be quite shit about this sort of thing sometimes. Personally, I bought it already; it’s a small price for such a tremendously useful app. And the Mela 2 bundle was 1p more expensive for me.

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Korakios

@winconway said:

@Korakios said:
Choke mode landed super fast
How about Link mode (meaning launching multiple clips , aka scene ) , @blueveek ?

Launching multiple clips is already the current AUM behaviour, just send them all the same trigger.

I mean without the need of external controller
(and without workarounds)

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Korakios

@winconway said:

@Korakios said:

@winconway said:

@Korakios said:
Choke mode landed super fast
How about Link mode (meaning launching multiple clips , aka scene ) , @blueveek ?

Launching multiple clips is already the current AUM behaviour, just send them all the same trigger.

I mean without the need of external controller
(and without workarounds)

Piano Roll 2 is a Modular sequencer, but it needs a trigger to launch, You don’t need an external controller to launch multiple clips at the same time, you can either turn them all on in AUM, and press play, or assign a MIDI note and then press that note on AUMs built in keyboard, this is how modular works really, it’s not actually a workaround.

First of all thanks for your time
I'd like a mode where launching one clip behaves as triggering a scene in Ableton live (automatically triggering all clips in the row)
I'll try to upload a video ,since I think its my fault for not describing what I'd like to achieve
Using AUM keyboard actually is good idea (although it seems like a workaround ) , but thank you very much

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MrBlaschke

@winconway Why use Atom if you produce no sounds?

Just kidding

lukesleepwalker

@winconway said:

Now we're talking!

blueveek

@Intrepolicious said:

@auxmux said:

@espiegel123 said:

@blueveek said:

@dvi said:

@blueveek said:

@lukesleepwalker said:

@blueveek said:
New advanced launch settings coming in 2.0.3: "Choke Mode".

This lets you configure clip exclusivity in AUM tracks (so you can use AUM's launch buttons as a mini Launchpad that chokes clips when triggering them).

Can you explain “launching with MIDI won’t stop this track “

Sure. There's 3 choke modes that can be set per-clip:

• Auto: Launching a clip from controllers will stop other clips on its track. Launching with MIDI won't stop other clips.
• Off: Never chokes other clips. Launching a clip won't stop other clips on its track.
• On: Always chokes other clips. Launching a clip from controllers, or with MIDI, will stop other clips on its track.

By default, it's in Auto mode. That means it's the current behavior: launch exclusivity when triggering from controllers, and additive launching when triggering via AUM's buttons or via MIDI.

The "Off" mode basically makes Launchpads work like AUM.

the "On" mode makes AUM work like Launchpads.

The upcoming manual might cover these in a bit more detail.

Cross-track choke groups is yet another advanced feature, that's planned for a future update.

Fantastic! This will make mapping from "dumb" controllers (which don't know the state of the atoms) much easier to use. Very exciting!

Yes, that's precisely why I've also decided to implement this – for people who just want to use AUM's launch buttons, or other (yet) unsupported controllers.

As an aside: I wonder if this poll is still representative: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/41445/atom-controller-poll/p1

I would be surprised if a poll like this were representative.

Also, even if someone has a controller, they may not always want to use one, depending on the situation. I have an LPX, but I usually it only occasionally when i'm at a desk or somewhere with a powered usb hub. Most times I use the iPad without any peripherals.

Fully agreed on all points.

I’ll most likely only use my new LPP while at my desk also, and per usual, I spend many an evening on the couch with the iPad only.

Last night on the couch, I tried opening the project I created at the desk with the LPP, and things just didn’t act like I expected I guess I should say.

It took me a few minutes to figure out what was going on, but I think having the different modes will help.

Yes, agreed. Update 2.0.3 is now under review and will include the new choke mode, which is set to "Auto" by default. This means I won't break backwards compatibility, and if you want to make your AUM session behave like a mini Launchpad you just need to put your clips into "Choke Mode: On". Btw, the setting also changes the way the Launchpad behaves, so if you don't want track exclusivity for some or all of your clips, put them in "Choke Mode: Off", and your Launchpad will behave like AUM.

@dvi said:

@blueveek said:

@dvi said:

@blueveek said:

@lukesleepwalker said:

@blueveek said:
New advanced launch settings coming in 2.0.3: "Choke Mode".

This lets you configure clip exclusivity in AUM tracks (so you can use AUM's launch buttons as a mini Launchpad that chokes clips when triggering them).

Can you explain “launching with MIDI won’t stop this track “

Sure. There's 3 choke modes that can be set per-clip:

• Auto: Launching a clip from controllers will stop other clips on its track. Launching with MIDI won't stop other clips.
• Off: Never chokes other clips. Launching a clip won't stop other clips on its track.
• On: Always chokes other clips. Launching a clip from controllers, or with MIDI, will stop other clips on its track.

By default, it's in Auto mode. That means it's the current behavior: launch exclusivity when triggering from controllers, and additive launching when triggering via AUM's buttons or via MIDI.

The "Off" mode basically makes Launchpads work like AUM.

the "On" mode makes AUM work like Launchpads.

The upcoming manual might cover these in a bit more detail.

Cross-track choke groups is yet another advanced feature, that's planned for a future update.

Fantastic! This will make mapping from "dumb" controllers (which don't know the state of the atoms) much easier to use. Very exciting!

Yes, that's precisely why I've also decided to implement this – for people who just want to use AUM's launch buttons, or other (yet) unsupported controllers.

As an aside: I wonder if this poll is still representative: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/41445/atom-controller-poll/p1

To be honest, I'm totally new to Atom and not (yet) a power user, and I missed this poll. It seems to me that it's largely true since a lot of people seem very invested in the Launchpad series (which I think is fantastic and should continue to be developed as deeply as possible). I haven't seen many recent mentions of the APCs. I would have marked "other" since I own none of them. As I suggested in a previous post, my ideal use would be to use another iPad as a Launchpad. Now, my use case might not be representative of a lot of people but just throwing in my two cents.

I'm mostly inclined to improvisation/jamming/noodling, not to making finished tracks but more oriented to live performance. In this context, I've found what's most important is having one interface per function, as opposed to having to constantly open and close apps on the same screen, or deal with the nightmare of knobs and sliders mapped to multiple apps (which jump around and require visual feedback, etc).

So, what specific external controller I end up using is not as important as having it as a dedicated one for a given set up. Likewise, hardware vs touch is not so important. At this point, when I have no interest (well, no budget, really) for acquiring new hardware, I'm inclined more towards open integration, and all the support for scripting you've offered is already fantastic. The recent announcement of TouchOSC is exciting and could be a way to build an interface for Atom which is as deeply integrated with Atom as the current controllers are. For now, lacking programming skills , I'll be happy for a while blind-mapping pads in my minilab and my iPad mini and seeing how far that takes me.

Yeah I was looking at Touch OSC as well. Building a custom script for it should be trivial!

@MYNISTA said:

@blueveek said:

@MYNISTA said:
Great app! Is there anyway to have the selected scale mode and key map to my Launchpad Mini MK3 when selected? That would be awesome.

Can you help me understand do you mean by that? The Launchpad Mini doesn't have custom scales afaik.

If you're referring about mapping notes in order onto pads, you can use "Map to Pads" from the scale menu in Atom, and use the Drums mode on your Launchpad for example.

Trying to map the selected scale to my pads by clicking the box in AUM now. Doesn’t seem to be working. Any other specific settings / routings that I may be missing? Launchpad Mini mK3. Thx for your time!

First of all, I think you mean "clicking the box in Atom", not AUM, as AUM doesn't have such a setting. I'm not sure how your routing looks like, but there's nothing else to set up: just route your Atom instance to the right instrument, choose "Map to Pads" in the scales menu in Atom, and if you have a connected Launchpad you're good to go, either in Keys or Drums mode (Drums works best since the layout is better suited for that function).

@wim said:

@Lorichs said:
Hey.
It might have been mentioned before but have some of you tryed to use ATOM 2 with Drambo ( stand alone ) using Drambo to launch clips?
Any experience?

It's fun, but has some problems. The two developers are working together and apparently should be smoother soon.

Much smoother soon. The crashes and layout issues (which weren't Atom-specific btw, they were deep-rooted in iOS bugs that likely would have affected other existing or upcoming AUs) are now fixed in Drambo beta.

The biggest drawback for me at present is the need for one atom instance for each and every clip. That means if you want to have, say 10 patterns in Drambo, and have Atom instances launch on pattern changes, you need 10 atom instances on each track and a more routing and mapping than I'd like.

But the Master is adding pattern launching within a single Atom instance. When that happens and when the next Drambo release drops, it'll be the perfect piano roll addition for Atom.

I'm very much warming up to the idea

@soundtemple said:
choke modes - Awesome!

scene launch unsupported controllers? - I've seen some discussion on this but wondering what is recommended way at present? Is there anyway to assign a scene_launch note or cc in the same way you do a clip_launch note or cc or do you have to somehow send a bunch of messages to individually trigger all clips in a scene?

The best way to do it now is to use the same note, CC, or custom parameter mapping via AUM's learn function for all instances. If you want to be able to launch clips both individually and in scenes, this is the most straightforward approach. For example, map a different launch note for each clip, and the same launch CC for all of them. In fact, this might be better than Link Groups since you have the option of having different launching behaviors depending on the MIDI trigger (e.g. a note for individual clips, a CC for a scene).

@Korakios said:
Choke mode landed super fast
How about Link mode (meaning launching multiple clips , aka scene ) , @blueveek ?

...that being said, I see value in having Link Groups, as they would certainly be convenient for a zero mapping solution – just set the Link Group, and tap the launch button in AUM. Choke groups would also be interesting, since choking is now restricted to clips on the same track, so you can interpret that as "all clips on track N are assigned to choke ground N implicitly", and it would be super cool and powerful to decouple that.

MYNISTA

“First of all, I think you mean "clicking the box in Atom", not AUM, as AUM doesn't have such a setting. I'm not sure how your routing looks like, but there's nothing else to set up: just route your Atom instance to the right instrument, choose "Map to Pads" in the scales menu in Atom, and if you have a connected Launchpad you're good to go, either in Keys or Drums mode (Drums works best since the layout is better suited for that function).“

🚨 Thx again for your time bro. Yeah, I mean checking the box in Atom. I’m doing exactly as you say and it’s not working for me. Scales aren’t changing/mapping to pads. I’m also using the drum pad mode. Are you able to try it...anyone else can see if it’s working for them. Thx again. Amazing app.

blueveek

@MYNISTA said:

🚨 Thx again for your time bro. Yeah, I mean checking the box in Atom. I’m doing exactly as you say and it’s not working for me. Scales aren’t changing/mapping to pads. I’m also using the drum pad mode. Are you able to try it...anyone else can see if it’s working for them. Thx again. Amazing app.

Working perfectly fine here, I've tested with the Launchpad Mini Mk3 (which is the same model as you have IIUC). DM me your project and I'll have a look.

MYNISTA

@blueveek said:

@MYNISTA said:

🚨 Thx again for your time bro. Yeah, I mean checking the box in Atom. I’m doing exactly as you say and it’s not working for me. Scales aren’t changing/mapping to pads. I’m also using the drum pad mode. Are you able to try it...anyone else can see if it’s working for them. Thx again. Amazing app.

Working perfectly fine here, I've tested with the Launchpad Mini Mk3 (which is the same model as you have IIUC). DM me your project and I'll have a look.

Ok, will do. Maybe my midi routing settings are wrong. What should connect to what? Thx again. Will send project later.

ark

Any plans to support Launchpad Pro Mk1?

Gdub

Super app
Finally got to play with it

But going insane

Please someone
I can’t get a atom clip to start another atom
Driving me mad

I want to do as shown in one of the video’s
Have a master atom to start others so I can make a complete track

Please can someone post some images with a master atom , a 2nd atom with the setting shown to receive the start command and how the midi settings look in AUM

This would really help

Sorry I am stupid, but am sure there are other people struggling

Please

Gdub

Think I found the problem
Didn’t have note on ticked on my 2nd atom

AlmostAnonymous

@blueveek said:

I'm very much warming up to the idea

Would a case of beer and a couple lap dances help with the warming up part?
(Every man has his price.....just trying to find yours)

I’m not a coder, so I don’t know what would be easier to implement in the long run, allowing patterns be assigned to a track instance (1:1, 1:2, 1:3) or just having them straight midi mappable. To me it just seems like 1 helps the LPP users better and the other helps everyone else out better.
(I don’t envy the position developers are in trying to make decisions to balance things to make everyone happy. So let’s make it 3 cases of beer...)

ghost_forests

@blueveek said:
New advanced launch settings coming in 2.0.3: "Choke Mode".

This lets you configure clip exclusivity in AUM tracks (so you can use AUM's launch buttons as a mini Launchpad that chokes clips when triggering them).

Ooh does this mean I can map my older LP Mini 2 to these?

ipadbeatmaking

will the upcoming update allow pencil to be used on the side/top menus?

blueveek

@ark said:
Any plans to support Launchpad Pro Mk1?

Not yet. But I'm happy go guide you through writing a script for it.

@Gdub said:
Think I found the problem
Didn’t have note on ticked on my 2nd atom

You can also experiment with the Hold advanced launching mode for your controlled Atoms. This way they'll only play as long as a note is held in the master sequencer Atom, which, if you squint, starts looking like an arranger in a linear DAW.

@ghost_forests said:

@blueveek said:
New advanced launch settings coming in 2.0.3: "Choke Mode".

This lets you configure clip exclusivity in AUM tracks (so you can use AUM's launch buttons as a mini Launchpad that chokes clips when triggering them).

Ooh does this mean I can map my older LP Mini 2 to these?

Yes, if you map these to incoming midi and pick "Choke Mode: On" for your instances, launching a clip will choke the others on the same track.

@ipadbeatmaking said:
I know you’re inundated with requests but I think this one would be cool and I’d pay for an IAP of it

Being able to ‘fruit ninja’ the notes and slice them would be a cool note editing style to quickly experiment with working and building in the piano roll. Ferrite is able to do this (with audio) and it makes the editing workflow kinda fun and unique.

You mean the slice tool from the bottom left?

Also will the upcoming update allow pencil to be used on the side/top menus?

Yes, everything is Pencil ready in 2.0.3.

michael_m

@blueveek said:
New advanced launch settings coming in 2.0.3: "Choke Mode".

I’m ready!

ipadbeatmaking

@blueveek exactly lol 😂

When will it be released?

blueveek

@ipadbeatmaking said:
@blueveek exactly lol 😂

When will it be released?

The slice tool is already available in the current version.

The new choke modes, Pencil support (and other features in 2.0.3) will be available once Apple reviews them.

Gdub

Sorry
New question

Why when I open new atoms
They don’t have a launch button?
In AUM?
What have I done wrong

blueveek

@Gdub said:
Sorry
New question

Why when I open new atoms
They don’t have a launch button?
In AUM?
What have I done wrong

You accidentally disabled, or for some reason need to enable, this thing:

Gdub

Ok
Many thanks
Will check in a bit

lasselu

Don't wanna sound cheap-ass but, any word on the bundle?

Gdub

Yep
Many thanks

ghost_forests

@blueveek said:

@ghost_forests said:

@blueveek said:
New advanced launch settings coming in 2.0.3: "Choke Mode".

This lets you configure clip exclusivity in AUM tracks (so you can use AUM's launch buttons as a mini Launchpad that chokes clips when triggering them).

Ooh does this mean I can map my older LP Mini 2 to these?

Yes, if you map these to incoming midi and pick "Choke Mode: On" for your instances, launching a clip will choke the others on the same track.

Ahh you absolute legend, that will save me from upgrading for a while at least!