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Atom | Piano Roll 2 is now available

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  • @SimonSomeone said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @echoopera said:
    @blueveek quick question about the Probability parameter in Atom2. Any plans to support per note probability in the Piano Roll. I love the feature but not on a global level.

    Many thanks. 👊🏼™️

    +many

    And this might get into mutate territory but being able to set alternate notes per note and set the probability for the “group set” would be ace! 50% root note. 25% fourth, 25% 5th or something like that. Nobody builds this kind of musical logic into probability and mutation and it’s so in line with how musicians think. Would really cut down on the need for multiple patterns, too.

    Stochas which was a desktop midi plugin had this feature. It was cool. IT's open source now the developer stopped updating it.

    One other feature it had was probability with linked notes. This was very useful where, for example, you'd want a double snare hit (a 16th note apart or something), and sometimes no snare hit at all. With normal per-note probability there's no way to do this, but linking notes and setting probability for both/all of them together would be very cool, I think especially for drums, but not solely.

    The logical end point of this for me would be to have the ability to set up a 25% chance of playing snare hit on beat 2, 30% on beat 2, 25% on both beats 4 plus 4&, and 20% chance of nothing. Probably hard to implement but would be great!

    Thanks for the tip on Stochas. Finally had a chance to check it out and it is very cool! Definitely a very musical take on mutation.

  • @zah said:
    I have to admit that I don't know what the heck everyone is on about when talking about launching - it seems like this is what everyone is using this app for. I mostly wanted something to work on clips away from desktop DAW. I'm not sure if I can incorporate any "launching" in a typical pop/rock structure?
    Can I use a physical keyboard midi controller instead of a dedicated Clip launcher?

    Yes

  • Is there a way to type in the number of bars?

    Instead of just using the +/- symbols ...

    Cause yes - hitting the „+“ button 64-times for 64bars ... I have to admit ... its quite annoying

    But I am sure there is a smarter way to do it and I just haven’t found it ...

  • @blueveek
    When selecting ‘launch notes or launch cc’ tapping the arrows can take quite a while, any chance of placing finger on the note or number, then sliding up or down to achieve the desired note, number quicker
    Lots of other apps have this as a feature

  • edited March 2021

    @Bon_Tempi said:
    Is there a way to type in the number of bars?

    Instead of just using the +/- symbols ...

    Cause yes - hitting the „+“ button 64-times for 64bars ... I have to admit ... its quite annoying

    But I am sure there is a smarter way to do it and I just haven’t found it ...

    If it's always the same number of bars, do it once and then save a preset. Reuse the preset later.

    @Gdub said:
    @blueveek
    When selecting ‘launch notes or launch cc’ tapping the arrows can take quite a while, any chance of placing finger on the note or number, then sliding up or down to achieve the desired note, number quicker
    Lots of other apps have this as a feature

    Use the MIDI learn feature in your host. In AUM, tap the third button in the top left in the window titlebar, pick "Launch" and then learn the parameter. Alternatively, enter "learn" mode and tap on buttons in Atom's UI to learn a MIDI command that controls them.

  • edited March 2021

    @Iskander said:
    @blueveek Many thanks for the incredible bundle-price!!!

    Are there any plans for a randomize function?

    If almost everybody decides to pay 1$ for the upgrade, then who knows! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @Jumpercollins said:

    @blueveek said:
    Organizing clips in AUM and BeatMaker 3.

    Check it out at 2:48!

    Very handy tips thankyou.

    I use my Launchpad Pro with yahama midi connections. When I connect to the Launch pad app all the light show as they would do in Ableton Live. Can the above video still be achieved using this setup? I only have lightening to usb but without the extra usb port.
    Cheers

  • @Toastedghost said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @blueveek said:
    Organizing clips in AUM and BeatMaker 3.

    Check it out at 2:48!

    Very handy tips thankyou.

    I use my Launchpad Pro with yahama midi connections. When I connect to the Launch pad app all the light show as they would do in Ableton Live. Can the above video still be achieved using this setup? I only have lightening to usb but without the extra usb port.
    Cheers

    A direct wired connection is needed for now.

  • @blueveek said:

    @Iskander said:
    @blueveek Many thanks for the incredible bundle-price!!!

    Are there any plans for a randomize function?

    If almost everybody decides to pay 1$ for the upgrade, then who knows! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    I don’t blame u!

    But I’d gladly pay $10+ for an IAP that adds some randomize/humanize options that control timing (to move things slightly off the grid) and velocities and strum options to make pianos etc sound more natural after they’re built on the grid. A good example of this is in FL Studio (desktop)

    I’d also pay for the ability to import quantization profiles.

  • @blueveek
    Sure will try that
    Thanks

  • @blueveek said:

    @Bon_Tempi said:
    Is there a way to type in the number of bars?

    Instead of just using the +/- symbols ...

    Cause yes - hitting the „+“ button 64-times for 64bars ... I have to admit ... its quite annoying

    But I am sure there is a smarter way to do it and I just haven’t found it ...

    If it's always the same number of bars, do it once and then save a preset. Reuse the preset later.

    The thing is that I love to work with very long patterns - and that I love to work with uneven combinations - like a 24 bars pattern as a base - and then in combination with a 53, 64 and 79 bars pattern ,,, in order to get unpredictable coincidences while the several layers doing their looping

    The progress of choosing the length of the patterns is quite intuitive and dependent on the song and the mood - so it would be great to have a quick and flexible way of adjusting the length - instead of having to save let’s say ... 20 different presets ,,,

    What about adding the drambo method: next to „+1 / -1“ we could have a „x2 / :2“ and the symbols could be arranged in a cross-layout with the number in the centre ,,, or in a line - above and below the the +/- symbols

    This would allow a quite handy and flexible way of adjusting the length without having to type in a number ,,,

  • @Bon_Tempi said:

    @blueveek said:

    @Bon_Tempi said:
    Is there a way to type in the number of bars?

    Instead of just using the +/- symbols ...

    Cause yes - hitting the „+“ button 64-times for 64bars ... I have to admit ... its quite annoying

    But I am sure there is a smarter way to do it and I just haven’t found it ...

    If it's always the same number of bars, do it once and then save a preset. Reuse the preset later.

    The thing is that I love to work with very long patterns - and that I love to work with uneven combinations - like a 24 bars pattern as a base - and then in combination with a 53, 64 and 79 bars pattern ,,, in order to get unpredictable coincidences while the several layers doing their looping

    The progress of choosing the length of the patterns is quite intuitive and dependent on the song and the mood - so it would be great to have a quick and flexible way of adjusting the length - instead of having to save let’s say ... 20 different presets ,,,

    What about adding the drambo method: next to „+1 / -1“ we could have a „x2 / :2“ and the symbols could be arranged in a cross-layout with the number in the centre ,,, or in a line - above and below the the +/- symbols

    This would allow a quite handy and flexible way of adjusting the length without having to type in a number ,,,

    A double/halve function would be nice, especially since there's also a dedicated button on the Launchpad Pro Mk3 for this that I could make use of.

  • @blueveek said:

    @Toastedghost said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @blueveek said:
    Organizing clips in AUM and BeatMaker 3.

    Check it out at 2:48!

    Very handy tips thankyou.

    I use my Launchpad Pro with yahama midi connections. When I connect to the Launch pad app all the light show as they would do in Ableton Live. Can the above video still be achieved using this setup? I only have lightening to usb but without the extra usb port.
    Cheers

    A direct wired connection is needed for now.

    Thanks for quick reply, do you if it is possible to run the Launchpad Pro from mains controller and then plug in through usb lightening, just dont want to do anything stupid. Thanks in advance

  • edited March 2021

    @Gdub said:
    @blueveek
    Sure will try that
    Thanks

    All those controls also have slide for entry btw, just tap and drag left and right (not up/down).

    @Toastedghost said:

    @blueveek said:

    @Toastedghost said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @blueveek said:
    Organizing clips in AUM and BeatMaker 3.

    Check it out at 2:48!

    Very handy tips thankyou.

    I use my Launchpad Pro with yahama midi connections. When I connect to the Launch pad app all the light show as they would do in Ableton Live. Can the above video still be achieved using this setup? I only have lightening to usb but without the extra usb port.
    Cheers

    A direct wired connection is needed for now.

    Thanks for quick reply, do you if it is possible to run the Launchpad Pro from mains controller and then plug in through usb lightening, just dont want to do anything stupid. Thanks in advance

    What do you mean by "mains controller"? As long as there's a wired USB connection from your Launchpad to the iPad somehow (doesn't matter if there's powered hubs in the way etc.), then it should be fine.

  • edited March 2021

    What midi file format does ATOM 2 save as?
    it must me ‘1’.. been trying to import a file into Zenbeats.. without any luck..

    ‘Click 'Import MIDI File' and select a file... Here's how an imported MIDI file (Type 0) will look in Zenbeats: Remember to use Type 0 files. Type 1 files will appear empty!’

  • @RajahP said:
    What midi file format does ATOM 2 save as?
    it must me ‘1’.. been trying to import a file into Zenbeats.. without any luck..

    ‘Click 'Import MIDI File' and select a file... Here's how an imported MIDI file (Type 0) will look in Zenbeats: Remember to use Type 0 files. Type 1 files will appear empty!’

    Are you sure you're using "Export MIDI" in Atom, and not "Share"? The former exports midi, the latter exports an Atom file that saves a lot more (scales, launch settings etc.).

  • @blueveek said:

    @RajahP said:
    What midi file format does ATOM 2 save as?
    it must me ‘1’.. been trying to import a file into Zenbeats.. without any luck..

    ‘Click 'Import MIDI File' and select a file... Here's how an imported MIDI file (Type 0) will look in Zenbeats: Remember to use Type 0 files. Type 1 files will appear empty!’

    Are you sure you're using "Export MIDI" in Atom, and not "Share"? The former exports midi, the latter exports an Atom file that saves a lot more (scales, launch settings etc.).

    ZenBeats has a midi import issue that’s being worked on

  • @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @blueveek said:

    @RajahP said:
    What midi file format does ATOM 2 save as?
    it must me ‘1’.. been trying to import a file into Zenbeats.. without any luck..

    ‘Click 'Import MIDI File' and select a file... Here's how an imported MIDI file (Type 0) will look in Zenbeats: Remember to use Type 0 files. Type 1 files will appear empty!’

    Are you sure you're using "Export MIDI" in Atom, and not "Share"? The former exports midi, the latter exports an Atom file that saves a lot more (scales, launch settings etc.).

    ZenBeats has a midi import issue that’s being worked on

    Gotcha, thanks for the info!

  • @blueveek said:

    @Iskander said:
    @blueveek Many thanks for the incredible bundle-price!!!

    Are there any plans for a randomize function?

    If almost everybody decides to pay 1$ for the upgrade, then who knows! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Happy to - but I’m stuck on iOS 12 still... not keen to upgrade to 14 yet. Any chance Atom2 could run on 12? I believe when version 1.0 of Atom2 was released it said supported 12 - but the update changed it to ios13 minimum. Even if some of scripting or other features weren’t supported on 12 - still be nice to have a “mostly working” version.

  • @blueveek said:

    @Bon_Tempi said:

    @blueveek said:

    @Bon_Tempi said:
    Is there a way to type in the number of bars?

    Instead of just using the +/- symbols ...

    Cause yes - hitting the „+“ button 64-times for 64bars ... I have to admit ... its quite annoying

    But I am sure there is a smarter way to do it and I just haven’t found it ...

    If it's always the same number of bars, do it once and then save a preset. Reuse the preset later.

    The thing is that I love to work with very long patterns - and that I love to work with uneven combinations - like a 24 bars pattern as a base - and then in combination with a 53, 64 and 79 bars pattern ,,, in order to get unpredictable coincidences while the several layers doing their looping

    The progress of choosing the length of the patterns is quite intuitive and dependent on the song and the mood - so it would be great to have a quick and flexible way of adjusting the length - instead of having to save let’s say ... 20 different presets ,,,

    What about adding the drambo method: next to „+1 / -1“ we could have a „x2 / :2“ and the symbols could be arranged in a cross-layout with the number in the centre ,,, or in a line - above and below the the +/- symbols

    This would allow a quite handy and flexible way of adjusting the length without having to type in a number ,,,

    A double/halve function would be nice, especially since there's also a dedicated button on the Launchpad Pro Mk3 for this that I could make use of.

    Cool, would be great - and thanks for this great tool and your quick feedback

  • While @blueveek scribbles all the requests down in his notepad (including my extensive requests for randomination) remember that we have some really neat midi modifiers on iOS that can then be recorded back into Atom 2. You can use these to transpose, humanize, randomize, etc. Record it into a new pattern and you can still compare to the original.

  • edited March 2021

    @Halftone said:

    @blueveek said:

    @Iskander said:
    @blueveek Many thanks for the incredible bundle-price!!!

    Are there any plans for a randomize function?

    If almost everybody decides to pay 1$ for the upgrade, then who knows! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Happy to - but I’m stuck on iOS 12 still... not keen to upgrade to 14 yet. Any chance Atom2 could run on 12? I believe when version 1.0 of Atom2 was released it said supported 12 - but the update changed it to ios13 minimum. Even if some of scripting or other features weren’t supported on 12 - still be nice to have a “mostly working” version.

    Right, there where literally 0 users on iOS 12 before the update, so I wanted to be safe. I'm working out the iOS 13 kinks at the moment (and I think I've finally nailed them down thanks to some incredible investigative work by @MrBlaschke and @espiegel123). Once the dust settles there I'm happy to have a look at iOS 12.

  • @blueveek said:

    @Halftone said:

    @blueveek said:

    @Iskander said:
    @blueveek Many thanks for the incredible bundle-price!!!

    Are there any plans for a randomize function?

    If almost everybody decides to pay 1$ for the upgrade, then who knows! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Happy to - but I’m stuck on iOS 12 still... not keen to upgrade to 14 yet. Any chance Atom2 could run on 12? I believe when version 1.0 of Atom2 was released it said supported 12 - but the update changed it to ios13 minimum. Even if some of scripting or other features weren’t supported on 12 - still be nice to have a “mostly working” version.

    I'm working out the iOS 13 kinks at the moment (and I think I've finally nailed them down thanks to some incredible investigative work by @MrBlaschke and @espiegel123). Once the dust settles there I'm happy to have a look at iOS 12.

    Great to hear!!

  • @gusgranite said:
    While @blueveek scribbles all the requests down in his notepad (including my extensive requests for randomination) [...]

    It's quite the frenzy today! A welcome, heart-warming frenzy :heart:

  • @blueveek said:

    @gusgranite said:
    While @blueveek scribbles all the requests down in his notepad (including my extensive requests for randomination) [...]

    It's quite the frenzy today! A welcome, heart-warming frenzy :heart:

    You only have yourself to blame! 😉

  • @NimboStratus said:

    @fprintf said:

    @NimboStratus said:
    I bought Atom 1 only a few weeks ago as had no real need for it but figured it would be good to help the development on 2. I’ve not really used it yet but was wondering if the update from 1 to 2 will be out soon? I don’t want to be mean spirited or anything but as I’ve only just got Atom 1 just wondering if I will have to buy 2. If I had used 1 over the years then yes would fee obliged to pay for the upgrade no problem at all but am new here etc. This is not a moan at all just want to know, thanks. I have also bought a fair few other devs apps here so have been supportive of this community and so not want to upset anyone. Hope that makes sense

    Yep. So go into the App store and find Atom 1 or 2 then you may have to go into "More by Victor Porof", select "See All" and you will find the upgrade bundle, available as of this morning. BTW I had a similar approach buying Atom 1 to support development of Atom 2.

    Cool! Thanks. Where is the best place to go to learn specifically how to send a CC92 for PlayBeat? Is there a general help location?

    Sorry, Atom 2 doesn't send CC's yet. That will come at some point.
    You could use LK, or Stepbud to send CC's.

  • @blueveek said:
    If almost everybody decides to pay 1$ for the upgrade, then who knows! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Paid the full price for Atom 2 without waiting for a bundle. Will be paying in the future too come similar bundle vs non-bundle situations. That’s the least you deserve for your hard-work!

  • @blueveek said:

    @RajahP said:
    What midi file format does ATOM 2 save as?
    it must me ‘1’.. been trying to import a file into Zenbeats.. without any luck..

    ‘Click 'Import MIDI File' and select a file... Here's how an imported MIDI file (Type 0) will look in Zenbeats: Remember to use Type 0 files. Type 1 files will appear empty!’

    Are you sure you're using "Export MIDI" in Atom, and not "Share"? The former exports midi, the latter exports an Atom file that saves a lot more (scales, launch settings etc.).

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @blueveek said:

    @RajahP said:
    What midi file format does ATOM 2 save as?
    it must me ‘1’.. been trying to import a file into Zenbeats.. without any luck..

    ‘Click 'Import MIDI File' and select a file... Here's how an imported MIDI file (Type 0) will look in Zenbeats: Remember to use Type 0 files. Type 1 files will appear empty!’

    Are you sure you're using "Export MIDI" in Atom, and not "Share"? The former exports midi, the latter exports an Atom file that saves a lot more (scales, launch settings etc.).

    ZenBeats has a midi import issue that’s being worked on

    Ok.. Thanks..

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  • edited March 2021

    Update is out!

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