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I’ve made some pretty massive projects in NS2 on my 2017 iPad Pro with over 200 devices and it handles it great. Currently I just use the iPhone version and no AU’s and it’s amazing. I’ve been trying to learn drambo and how to integrate it into NS2 which has been fun, but honestly, all I need is NS2. BUT... I don’t need audio tracks so it’s been great for me since day 1.
It’s as stable as any other iOS DAW at this point. The “unstable” narrative is from the first three months of launch.
As for Obsidian vs Micrologue, Obsidian may be more flexible but everything that comes out of it sounds cheaper somehow. But also there are plenty of AU’s that are better than Obsidian and Micrologue and CB3 scales AUs better than NS2.
Cubasis has this and, in my opinion, implements it better. You can slide them more easily because of the “hold” methodology rather than trying to tap and drag a specific button. NS2 is also built to specifically use that method whereas CB3 offers the flexibility to do things free-hand or use the more structured drag approach.
To the point of workflow, CB3 keeps critical controls on the screen. NS2 buries these in long-press menus. There’s both too much on the screen and not enough of the right stuff on the screen.
Personal taste in regards to workflow is a big factor. I find the MIDI editing in NS2 to be significantly clunkier than CB3 and, considering that NS2 is really MIDI only, that’s a big gap. But I acknowledge everyone’s workflow mileage varies.
I am curious about your use cases for sending MIDI to AUfx. Being able to automate AU’s is significantly more important to me.
I think that’s ultimately what it comes down to. If you’re not going to have audio tracks, that’s fine, but you need to then be super solid on MIDI and it’s lacking in some areas there.
I also want to say, I’m not posting this to rag on NS2. On the contrary, I really want to like it. I just really can’t get into it and don’t understand what I’m missing.
No native freezing of tracks, but it would be possible to roll your own via mixdown and then load the file into MTR. As has been mentioned though, NS2 is very efficient and so you may find that you can add more synths before you get to the point that you normally need to freeze in other DAWs.
@DukeWonder : no app is going to appeal to everyone. If Cubasis 3 fits your needs and NS2 doesn't then you aren't missing anything.
For some people, meter and tempo changes are critical...or flexible buses, etc. but that doesn't mean they need to be important to you.
Yes. Drag handles. Killer feature. And the ability to edit and manipulate only selected velocity and cc data and ignore non selected. E.g. in a drum track you can quickly select the velocities of just one instrument and draw, scale, modify with extreme precision just those without touching the others.
One person iOS DAW development must be such a tough gig. Real labours of love.
I can’t even imagine...
No DAW can be complete without audio, it's part of the acronym.
Part of arranging is manipulating and editing audio. It's also less CPU intensive with older devices, when you're working with bounced audio and can focus on mixing.
Until NS2/3? has this, it's only half way there, which is a shame, because it's one of the best designed music apps of all time. One of other missing features is recording midi fx without routing/workarounds.
I finally started using Cubasis 2 last year, and using it for arranging after exporting stems from AUM, and it's been an excellent combo. Should've done it earlier.
I read this:
“Blip Interactive Ltd is one man on a mission to bring creatively useful music tools to life.
From a very early age he showed an unnatural tendency for tinkering with anything electronic and hasn't stopped since, designing and developing anything from robotic dogs to safety-critical industrial systems. Armed with a decade of console games development experience he felt the time was right to combine his lifelong interest in electronic music to bring NanoStudio to the world.
Full of plans and ambitions for NanoStudio, he regrets owning only the one pair of hands and having only 24 hours in a day.”
If you mostly stick with obsidian, slate and the built in bundled effects, you will never need to freeze a track. My current NS2 project has 50+ tracks on an iPad air4 and it’s not even close to crackling. And this is with massive amounts of cc data in many of those tracks. It’s rare I need to use an external au synth or effect that Obsidian and internal effects can’t reproduce. The built in synths with cb3 are toys compared with Obsidian. The true beauty of NS2 is that you don’t have to kill your creative flow to put on your technical hat to deal with stuff like track freezing or worrying about cpu usage.
sounds interesting, would be interesting how it performs with external auv3 plugins, as i dont thing obsidian alone would make the cut for me.
Yah, depending what you deem critical for sure. In NS2 I recall you cannot plunk on the keyboard when tweaking FX which felt awkward.
Instanced patterns in NS2 was massive for me (perhaps subjectively critical ?) which last time I tried CB3 didn't do. BUT CB3 does let you move track automation with clips, so that seems like it would be a CB3 win for sure.
For sure AU fx automation would win out for me (in that specific category) and sending midi to AUfx (Sugar BytesFX mostly) is just a consolation prize I suppose.
Oh for sure. To me the two are closer now.
Then you probably aren't missing anything. No app does it all for everyone so no shame in trying and moving along until you find the thing that does not leave you wanting (if possible).
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I just stay within NS2 for everything I can and have pretty much unlimited CPU. Obsidian is versatile enough that you can pretty much build whatever you want and it’s consistent. Also, the workflow for me, is second nature, especially on my iPhone. I can write full songs without having to figure out some work around to do this or that, I just add an obsidian or slate and have at it. Grouping tracks, unlimited sends, sidechaining from multiple sources, so many great features. There are definitely things I’d like, but he already knows what they are so if he stays working on it, they should get done at some point. If not, I’m still writing in it as my main app until something comes close to it for me. Which so far...has not happened.
NS2 very clearly says it isn’t a DAW. It doesn’t advertise itself as a DAW.
Just did a quick test and using SonoBus to pipe audio input from AUM or Audiobus into Multitrack recorder (or any other audio recorder) works. I didn’t do a latency test but it is not terribly painful to get set up.
That’s just semantics IMO. Here’s the homepage marketing blurb
“ NanoStudio 2 is a powerful music production environment for iPad, iPad Pro, iPhone and iPod. If you're into synthesis and sampling and need a complete solution for end-to-end music production with a logical workflow, then it's the app you're looking for.”
For my workflow, ‘end-to-end music production’ requires audio tracks. It’s like it has a limb missing until then. For the people who don’t need audio tracks it is absolutely their iOS DAW.
Auria might. CB3 is pretty inflexible. You get a fixed architecture of (limited) inserts and aux channels.
The text says it is an end to end work flow for synthesis and sampling. The description is very specific: synthesis and sampling. No mention of anything beyond that. No mention of DAW. So, anyone reading more into it is reading more into. I don’t think that is a matter of semantics.
Seems pretty clear from the description that it is not an end to end workflow for people that need more than synthesis and sampling. While, it was an error to have initially promised the audio tracks, I think the DAW talk is the result of fans calling it DAW and people overlooking the explicit focus on synthesis and sampling.
For a lot of people (though not me), that covers their bases. And it doesn’t claim more than that.
Yeah NS2 is the most flexible. Auria has Groups, Busses, and Aux channels, but is limited to 4 inserts per channel and they can't be re-ordered.
NS2 has unlimited inserts and sends, and the grouping is also by far the most flexible. If it ever does get audio tracks it will definitely be the best DAW on the platform IMO, but my god it's taking a long time to happen.
I said last year that we might see Logic for iOS before NS2 gets audio tracks, and I still think that's pretty likely. 50-50 at least.
Agree to disagree on this one 🙂
Both of these guys are a one man show. Yes it’s been a while, yes they take a while but remember that these are 2 very complex apps. How long did it take Cubasis to go from version 1 , 2 and 3 and to update. And they’re Steinberg/Yamaha. Things are not that easy to implement.
Drag handles are great. Beatmaker 2 had them and they worked very well. Multitrack Studio has them too.
Agree, but it would be nice if we would hear that from the developer of NS2. A little communication would certainly help to accept the delay. Just ignoring your community doesn't help.
I hope the developer is okay.
Does anyone here know him?
Of course it’s always better to communicate
I bring your attention to my newly-observed law, which I shall call Borstel's Law
(named after Matt Borstel, NS2 dev -- but applies equally to all solo devs)
It states that...
😂 I concur.
Thanks for the comments.
I hope Audio comes. It would be the only DAW I would ever need. It’s so easy to use.
Lmaooooooo
Flood gates, beware of the flood gates