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  • echooperaechoopera
    edited March 2021

    Nothing is lacking on the iOS platform which prevents any of us from making amazing mind blowing music.

    It is a poor craftsman who complains about their tools.

    Move along everyone. There are songs to be released in to the world for all to enjoy 😉👊🏼™️💕

  • dendydendy

    @echoopera
    Nothing is lacking on the iOS platform which prevents any of us from making amazing mind blowing music.

    That's true, and you know really nothing can stop me to make music with just iPad . If any app wouldn't get any update anymore, i have still enough tools for make music for rest of my life.

    But it's also good to admit there significant gap between quality (and support) of desktop apps and iOS apps.. it's good to not close eyes and admit there is also dark side of iOS apps market - most problems are caused by stupid apple's monetary policy from beginning of appstore, which is very complicated to fix now. Underfinanced iOS apps developement is cause why many promising projects are slowly fading out, especially those complex like DAWs.

  • ashhashh
    edited March 2021

    Picture the scene: you've pulled all the threads of your previous work into a magnificent tapestry. Everyone loves it. They agree, it's your opus. After a few seconds of basking in the chorus of delight you hear a discordant tone. There are bugs. You listen and begin the weary process of stamping on them. You want your customers to be happy. Then the feature requests come in. Like a doting father you indulge your children, even the ones who set fire to your hair and smack you in the nuts repeatedly. You love them all equally.

    Your customers want you to build an extension to the house. The children have grown. It would require tearing it down and building it back up from the foundations. You say yes because what else can you say? In your heart of hearts you are sick to the back teeth of this request. You like the house the way it is, that's why you built it this way. You sit on the porch in your rocking chair. The dog farts.

  • ashhashh

    @ervin said:

    @ashh said:

    @tahiche said:
    Let me just drop this here...
    Would you pay 80€ for a new Nanostudio with audio tracks and some other new awesome features?.
    80€ Is not exaggerated, a lot less than you’d pay for average desktop apps.
    I’m pretty sure by now a big handicap for iOS music is that it’s simply not profitable for devs. I doubt too many of them (if any) make a decent living. So they probably have day jobs. Maybe the dev of NS2 is working Monday to Friday somewhere and has to work on audio tracks on the weekends... I think that was the case with @blueveek and Atom2 (excuse me if I’m wrong on this one, recall having read it, anyway it’s just an example). He had to balance all these feature requests and “hurry up” nagging with his day job.
    There’s few of us and apps are cheap. We want professional products but it’s not a professional market... Don’t get me wrong, I’m the first one to complain and cry about missing features!. It’s funny how what we pay is not directly proportional to what we demand.

    This is, literally, a matter of opinion. I was just thinking today that the most money I spend on music gear goes into the App Store. The most expensive piece of gear in my studio, even leaving aside the price of the hardware, is my iPad because of how much I've spent on apps. I have not spent aaaaaanywhere near that much on software for my desktop. A desktop which is very fast and very good for a year old computer but still didn't cost as much as my iPad.

    iOS apps get a lot of money from me.

    OTOH, even if you pay more for iOS sw in total, you only pay small fragments of that total to the developers of the individual apps. So instead of paying 150 for one app on Mac/PC, you pay 150 for 30 or more apps on iOS.

    As a result, the only player you really pay on iOS is Apple. Not only do they sell you your iPad as if it was pure gold, but they also take a cut from the peanuts you pay for the iOS apps. And then, when all is said and done, they even take the piss by selling you a camera kit for 40 bucks, the price of another 8-10 apps - just because they can :)

    Apple is Capitalism. Capitalism is Apple. This is what we signed up for.

  • ervinervin

    @ashh said:

    @ervin said:

    @ashh said:

    @tahiche said:
    Let me just drop this here...
    Would you pay 80€ for a new Nanostudio with audio tracks and some other new awesome features?.
    80€ Is not exaggerated, a lot less than you’d pay for average desktop apps.
    I’m pretty sure by now a big handicap for iOS music is that it’s simply not profitable for devs. I doubt too many of them (if any) make a decent living. So they probably have day jobs. Maybe the dev of NS2 is working Monday to Friday somewhere and has to work on audio tracks on the weekends... I think that was the case with @blueveek and Atom2 (excuse me if I’m wrong on this one, recall having read it, anyway it’s just an example). He had to balance all these feature requests and “hurry up” nagging with his day job.
    There’s few of us and apps are cheap. We want professional products but it’s not a professional market... Don’t get me wrong, I’m the first one to complain and cry about missing features!. It’s funny how what we pay is not directly proportional to what we demand.

    This is, literally, a matter of opinion. I was just thinking today that the most money I spend on music gear goes into the App Store. The most expensive piece of gear in my studio, even leaving aside the price of the hardware, is my iPad because of how much I've spent on apps. I have not spent aaaaaanywhere near that much on software for my desktop. A desktop which is very fast and very good for a year old computer but still didn't cost as much as my iPad.

    iOS apps get a lot of money from me.

    OTOH, even if you pay more for iOS sw in total, you only pay small fragments of that total to the developers of the individual apps. So instead of paying 150 for one app on Mac/PC, you pay 150 for 30 or more apps on iOS.

    As a result, the only player you really pay on iOS is Apple. Not only do they sell you your iPad as if it was pure gold, but they also take a cut from the peanuts you pay for the iOS apps. And then, when all is said and done, they even take the piss by selling you a camera kit for 40 bucks, the price of another 8-10 apps - just because they can :)

    Apple is Capitalism. Capitalism is Apple. This is what we signed up for.

    True. Except when we as users want more for free, or essentially free, because then entitlement beats capitalism. :)

    People playing around with thousand-dollar ipads waiting for app sales so they can buy a synth from an indie dev for 5 bucks instead of 10, and then proudly stating they "would pay for an upgrade" (another 5 bucks) and feeling pleased with themselves is probably all you need to know about the state of ios music business. :)

  • ashhashh

    @ervin said:

    @ashh said:

    @ervin said:

    @ashh said:

    @tahiche said:
    Let me just drop this here...
    Would you pay 80€ for a new Nanostudio with audio tracks and some other new awesome features?.
    80€ Is not exaggerated, a lot less than you’d pay for average desktop apps.
    I’m pretty sure by now a big handicap for iOS music is that it’s simply not profitable for devs. I doubt too many of them (if any) make a decent living. So they probably have day jobs. Maybe the dev of NS2 is working Monday to Friday somewhere and has to work on audio tracks on the weekends... I think that was the case with @blueveek and Atom2 (excuse me if I’m wrong on this one, recall having read it, anyway it’s just an example). He had to balance all these feature requests and “hurry up” nagging with his day job.
    There’s few of us and apps are cheap. We want professional products but it’s not a professional market... Don’t get me wrong, I’m the first one to complain and cry about missing features!. It’s funny how what we pay is not directly proportional to what we demand.

    This is, literally, a matter of opinion. I was just thinking today that the most money I spend on music gear goes into the App Store. The most expensive piece of gear in my studio, even leaving aside the price of the hardware, is my iPad because of how much I've spent on apps. I have not spent aaaaaanywhere near that much on software for my desktop. A desktop which is very fast and very good for a year old computer but still didn't cost as much as my iPad.

    iOS apps get a lot of money from me.

    OTOH, even if you pay more for iOS sw in total, you only pay small fragments of that total to the developers of the individual apps. So instead of paying 150 for one app on Mac/PC, you pay 150 for 30 or more apps on iOS.

    As a result, the only player you really pay on iOS is Apple. Not only do they sell you your iPad as if it was pure gold, but they also take a cut from the peanuts you pay for the iOS apps. And then, when all is said and done, they even take the piss by selling you a camera kit for 40 bucks, the price of another 8-10 apps - just because they can :)

    Apple is Capitalism. Capitalism is Apple. This is what we signed up for.

    True. Except when we as users want more for free, or essentially free, because then entitlement beats capitalism. :)

    People playing around with thousand-dollar ipads waiting for app sales so they can buy a synth from an indie dev for 5 bucks instead of 10, and then proudly stating they "would pay for an upgrade" (another 5 bucks) and feeling pleased with themselves is probably all you need to know about humans.

    Ftfy.

  • tahichetahiche

    @ashh said:
    Picture the scene: you've pulled all the threads of your previous work into a magnificent tapestry. Everyone loves it. They agree, it's your opus. After a few seconds of basking in the chorus of delight you hear a discord tone. There are bugs. You listen and begin the weary process of stamping on them. You want your customers to be happy. Then the feature requests come in. Like a doting father you indulge your children, even the ones who set fire to your hair and smack you in the nuts repeatedly. You love them all equally.

    Your customers want you to build an extension to the house. The children have grown. It would require tearing it down and building it back up from the foundations. You say yes because what else can you say? In your heart of hearts you are sick to the back teeth of this request. You like the house the way it is, that's why you built it this way. You sit on the porch in your rocking chair. The dog farts.

    I pictured it, you nailed it.
    @ashh @winconway @ervin @dendy (and others) Im really enjoying this topic. Do you mind if I quote you and start a thread on this?. Or someone start it. It deserves its own discussion, don’t you think?.

  • ashhashh

    @tahiche said:

    @ashh said:
    Picture the scene: you've pulled all the threads of your previous work into a magnificent tapestry. Everyone loves it. They agree, it's your opus. After a few seconds of basking in the chorus of delight you hear a discord tone. There are bugs. You listen and begin the weary process of stamping on them. You want your customers to be happy. Then the feature requests come in. Like a doting father you indulge your children, even the ones who set fire to your hair and smack you in the nuts repeatedly. You love them all equally.

    Your customers want you to build an extension to the house. The children have grown. It would require tearing it down and building it back up from the foundations. You say yes because what else can you say? In your heart of hearts you are sick to the back teeth of this request. You like the house the way it is, that's why you built it this way. You sit on the porch in your rocking chair. The dog farts.

    I pictured it, you nailed it.
    @ashh @winconway @ervin @dendy (and others) Im really enjoying this topic. Do you mind if I quote you and start a thread on this?. Or someone start it. It deserves its own discussion, don’t you think?.

    Great idea.

  • dendydendy

    @ashh
    Apple is Capitalism. Capitalism is Apple. This is what we signed up for.

    Actually.. main advantage of capitalism - free market - is exact OPPOSITE what is Apple doing. Apple is lot more socialism than capitalism. Apple (in terms of how Appstore works, which rules are there, what is allowed and not and how prices are affected) breaks rules of free market and capitalism in all thinkable ways.

  • tahichetahiche

    @dendy said:

    @ashh
    Apple is Capitalism. Capitalism is Apple. This is what we signed up for.

    Actually.. main advantage of capitalism - free market - is exact OPPOSITE what is Apple doing. Apple is lot more socialism than capitalism. Apple (in terms of how Appstore works, which rules are there, what is allowed and not and how prices are affected) breaks rules of free market and capitalism in all thinkable ways.

    Right on. Apple is more like “one brand of tomato sauce” communism.

    @ashh Great idea

    I’m on it. I’m trying to think of a witty title but will settle for whatever.

  • ervinervin

    @tahiche said:

    @ashh said:
    Picture the scene: you've pulled all the threads of your previous work into a magnificent tapestry. Everyone loves it. They agree, it's your opus. After a few seconds of basking in the chorus of delight you hear a discord tone. There are bugs. You listen and begin the weary process of stamping on them. You want your customers to be happy. Then the feature requests come in. Like a doting father you indulge your children, even the ones who set fire to your hair and smack you in the nuts repeatedly. You love them all equally.

    Your customers want you to build an extension to the house. The children have grown. It would require tearing it down and building it back up from the foundations. You say yes because what else can you say? In your heart of hearts you are sick to the back teeth of this request. You like the house the way it is, that's why you built it this way. You sit on the porch in your rocking chair. The dog farts.

    I pictured it, you nailed it.
    @ashh @winconway @ervin @dendy (and others) Im really enjoying this topic. Do you mind if I quote you and start a thread on this?. Or someone start it. It deserves its own discussion, don’t you think?.

    Sure, go ahead. Not that we will change anything, but I'm interested in your thoughts.

  • ervinervin

    @dendy said:

    @ashh
    Apple is Capitalism. Capitalism is Apple. This is what we signed up for.

    Actually.. main advantage of capitalism - free market - is exact OPPOSITE what is Apple doing. Apple is lot more socialism than capitalism. Apple (in terms of how Appstore works, which rules are there, what is allowed and not and how prices are affected) breaks rules of free market and capitalism in all thinkable ways.

    Isn't it simpler than that though? Apple has a monopoly in mobile music making. They are milking it. As long as android is not going to be able to present a meaningful alternative, I think it will stay that way.

    It all fits neatly in capitalism, especially in the "free market" version,which is usually anything but. :)

  • ashhashh

    @dendy Actually.. main advantage of capitalism - free market - is exact OPPOSITE what is Apple doing. Apple is lot more socialism than capitalism. Apple (in terms of how Appstore works, which rules are there, what is allowed and not and how prices are affected) breaks rules of free market and capitalism in all thinkable ways.

    @ervin Isn't it simpler than that though? Apple has a monopoly in mobile music making. They are milking it. As long as android is not going to be able to present a meaningful alternative, I think it will stay that way.

    It all fits neatly in capitalism, especially in the "free market" version,which is usually anything but. :)

    What I was driving at was that Capitalism is all about growth. Make more money every year and you have won at Capitalism.

    Apple brings out new hardware every year because that's a cast iron way to grow the business. We don't need it but Capitalism demands it. The beast must be fed and everything else comes second.

  • ashhashh

    @tahiche said:
    I’m on it. I’m trying to think of a witty title but will settle for whatever.

    Like

  • tahichetahiche

    And here it is.

    100$ apps, iOS music market, sustainability, dog farts and Apple = communism

  • tahichetahiche

    If you’re wondering about the “dog farts”, I’m actually not 6 years old. But I do love fart references so it deserved a headline.

  • ashhashh

    @tahiche said:
    If you’re wondering about the “dog farts”, I’m actually not 6 years old. But I do love fart references so it deserved a headline.

    I fully support you.

  • tahichetahiche

    @ashh said:

    @tahiche said:
    If you’re wondering about the “dog farts”, I’m actually not 6 years old. But I do love fart references so it deserved a headline.

    I fully support you.

    Of course you do, it’s your dog!.

    https://apps.apple.com/es/app/fart-studio/id371914658?l=en

  • ashhashh

    I feel an EP coming on. The Whiff of Capple.

  • AtticusLAtticusL

    Why on earth wasn't Dendy's amazing work put into the IAP for Nano? Dendy beta-tested for years and gave loads of his time teaching the forum all sorts about the app.

  • GLaceyGLacey

    @dendy said:

    in 80% of cases i have some idea, at least what kind of sound i want.. often i'm inspired by some speciffic sound which i heard somewhere and i like it, or from some synth tutorial, and then i'm trying to reproduce it.. on the way, sometimes i get something different - i save it as alternative and later i return to that saved alternative and finish it, or i develop it into something completely different.

    Sometimes i also take some my old patch, and start to tweak it until it sounds somehow different - when it is different enough, i save it as new patch..

    20% percent is pure experimentation where i'm intentionally trying to break rules i know, or to do something in complete opposite way than usually - Of course it's never "random" process, i always know what i'm going to tweak and why - i like to understand things, when i'm stsrting to feel i'm "loet in patch" i usually delete thst patch :-)

    Thanks for the insight! Sound designers like you indulge me with so many great presets that I never felt the need to create new sounds :) The most of what I do is to tweak some parameters of these great presets or add some effects on the top :)

  • drezdrez

    @AtticusL said:
    Why on earth wasn't Dendy's amazing work put into the IAP for Nano? Dendy beta-tested for years and gave loads of his time teaching the forum all sorts about the app.

    Yeah I noodled through all of them last night. So well done. Gonna love finding homes for these in my stuff!

  • dendydendy

    @zah said:
    Was this thread created to sell preset packs for Obsidian?

    pretty much expected that someone will react like this :lol: actually i'm pretty surprised it took so long :-D

  • drezdrez

    @dendy said:

    @zah said:
    Was this thread created to sell preset packs for Obsidian?

    pretty much expected that someone will react like this :lol: actually i'm pretty surprised it took so long :-D

    Yeah...disappointing.

  • yowzayowza

    @zah said:
    Was this thread created to sell preset packs for Obsidian?

    No but apparently some people think it was created for them to drop trolling comments

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @yowza said:

    @zah said:
    Was this thread created to sell preset packs for Obsidian?

    No but apparently some people think it was created for them to drop trolling comments

  • drcongodrcongo

    An extra shout out from me for @dendy’s sound packs. There’s some stunning stuff in there that these days has me reaching for Obsidian more often than any other synth.

  • dendydendy

    @drcongo said:
    An extra shout out from me for @dendy’s sound packs. There’s some stunning stuff in there that these days has me reaching for Obsidian more often than any other synth.

    :blush: very happy .. that was my reason why i made those packs, glad if they inspire you to make some cool tracks

  • Telstar5Telstar5
    edited March 2021

    @dendy said:

    @winconway said:
    iOS is the only software platform that is very much of its time at purchase, on desktop you can reasonably expect a developer to keep updating their software, and probably charge for bigger updates too, that is after charging a reasonable cost in the first place.
    Here you pay your £10 and generally get more than £10 worth of software, then expect more for free or very little cost.

    If this stays this way, expect zero iOS only music developers within a year or two.
    Apple will make any non game (Arcade) exclusive software on iOS a non reality, and you can say goodbye to indie developers too.

    Shoul be written in stone. Deep profound truth !

    Am I the only one who didn’t understand what Dendy wrote?

  • dendydendy
    edited March 2021

    @Telstar5 said:

    @dendy said:

    @winconway said:
    iOS is the only software platform that is very much of its time at purchase, on desktop you can reasonably expect a developer to keep updating their software, and probably charge for bigger updates too, that is after charging a reasonable cost in the first place.
    Here you pay your £10 and generally get more than £10 worth of software, then expect more for free or very little cost.

    If this stays this way, expect zero iOS only music developers within a year or two.
    Apple will make any non game (Arcade) exclusive software on iOS a non reality, and you can say goodbye to indie developers too.

    Shoul be written in stone. Deep profound truth !

    Am I the only one who didn’t understand what Dendy wrote?

    I'm oviously not native speaker so maybe i'ts written not correctly from language point of view :lol: :lol: My point was i very much agree with winston. (first word contains typo, "it should be ...")

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