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I think he probably realises what people think now. No need to keep piling on.
@ashh
My apologies.
I should be even more mindful.
@klownshed
Good call.
Same here. People like Jakob don’t just drop videos then never engage with people - he certainly responds directly, and has done so to me.
What I do think is annoying is when someone ONLY posts video links and doesn’t otherwise engage with a community, even when addressed directly. That’s what I consider a drive by.
Humm … this OP is so far from being anything I would ever think of objecting to that it took me a good half hour to come up with any reasons it might bother anyone.
If a video is even remotely on topic for the forum what conceivable objection can there be for someone to post it? Is there some “other contribution” ratio bar to cross? If so what is it and who would decide such things?
I appreciate it when people take the time to post their videos here because I do not hang out on YouTube. I would miss most of them. This way I can see a post, take a quick glance, and decide if I want to watch without having to ever leave the forum. Works for me, and I couldn’t care less about the poster’s other contributions.
Struggling to come up with any reason this might be irksome, I could only come up with the idea that to some people every unread thread nags at them. I kind of get it since I have to tamp down that feeling about political threads, which I despise and refuse to enter any more. But that’s on me. I don’t begrudge their existence and wouldn’t even remotely consider them in the context of what else the originator contributes.
… now I probably will since I’ve realized that though. 😂
I think this is the same sort of feeling a person has when they see a Sign at a Breakfast spot which reads, "Free Bagel with purchase of Coffee".
This is great...but when they get there, they are out of Bagels, but aren't told this until after they paid for the coffee...
But the person could see the empty bin of bagel crumbs...but is assuming that there are more in the back or something because of the sign...and then asks to speak to the Manager...
But what do I know...it's just me taking an educated guess on what causes these sort of points of view and posts to occur
I forget what that term/word is for this type of perspective in life...
Ho hum....must carry on...
Are you even aware of who Jakob is, his history, or what's he's given/contributed to the "community"? I dare say more than the OP has. Talk about "look at me"...
This thread is over thirty comments deep.
The majority of them are ripping @ashh's OP to pieces.
I agree with Klownshed's comment.
Hence my apology.
Maybe ashh would like to communicate with Jakob.
Hey I missed my opportunity to communicate with Prince.
Yes the Prince Nelson Rogers.
Maybe ashh would love to learn directly from someone like Jakob.
Ripping ashh a new one would certainly put him of the idea.
If he didn't know what Jakob has meant to the iOS platform?
He certainly does now.
As someone who has been on the receiving end of a flurry of posts, it’s tough. Don’t let it bring you down @ashh.
Social media is a tricky river to sail through. There’s only so much one can do, even as a content creator.
Between editing videos, creating engaging content, sharing among different audiences with different needs, it’s hard to keep everything centralized.
Even app developers face similar challenges. Investing so much time and resources on a project with a limited audience, while sailing through the river of updates gets a bit tiresome.
As someone who was part of that mob, I commend you for staying in the community and becoming a great contributor. You recovered in a way that speaks to your strong character and heart.
‘F*** the car, I’ll do a m*****f****** walk by!’
(Eazy E)
This thread proves that there's an option to shoot back. It appears @jakoB_haQ is unharmed
and he probably appreciates the extra time on the front page for his efforts to teach us about
an interesting app (and somewhat misunderstood) app. He pushed me back to hoping we can
share presets because the potential is there... I just want a folder of @Spidericemidas inventions
using this app.
Hopefully, the developer adds exporting and importing of preset folders. Until then maybe we'll
see some "one shot" presets that sell a few more IAP's.
I'm going to unlock it for the internal FX, I think (and to encourage more features).
I’m not sure why a link to a video that is detailing some subject about iOS music making is somehow doing all these things. I’m not even sure why it’s a “drive by”. Someone comes in and posts some thing they had presented, so you can go there and listen/watch what they had to say.
I’m not sure why targeting a specific person’s video/thread for no apparent reason is respectful in anyway as well.
I hope whatever causes this feeling goes away. I hope you take a minute to take a deep breath and whatever is troubling you can heal.
I think you made a mistake mentioning Jakob in your complaint because he's given so much to the iOS music community and we all love him.
But to your general point about "drive bys": it doesn't worry me.
People posting all kinds of off-topic crap in "iOS Sales" and "General App Discussion" pisses me off more
Wow, thank you for this. Seriously.
The OP did a drive by by starting this thread and then not engaging in any of the responses.
Wasn’t part of the mob but I do remember this and yeah, you done good man
kudos
Having recently rewatched Friday, I thought something very very different.
What irks me isn't the drive by, it's when a poster provides zero information about the video they wish me to click on.
Feels like clickbait or just a bit lazy.
A little like when someone schedules a meeting and leaves the agenda blank.
Seeing what happened to @Gravitas a few days ago and now @ashh, we seem to be great at pile-ons, with some ad hominem freely added to the mix (pun intended).
If you are posting a criticism then you should be prepared to take some flak yourself (I’ve had a few bits and pieces myself). As long as it comes in the form of a reasonably articulate response and not hateful bile then it should be fair enough. In fact some of the responses can be more repugnant than the actual post - but they are rarely called out.
We are all entitled to our opinions and that’s what makes for lively considered debate. Heaven help us if people end up second guessing wether to post something that they have noticed in case they are set upon.
Maybe it’s time to let the dust settle on this one and let it drop gently down through the pages..... down..... down....... slowly....... comfortably ...... your eyelids are feeling heavier and heavier with each moment that passes........ you are feeling more relaxed with every breath you take........... drifting............
Pretty disgusted with the attacks on @ashh. He posed a question, which I don't think was unreasonable, maybe the way he asked could have been more direct.
I don't think there's anything wrong with wondering about the motives of social media brand building (that was at the core of what @ashh was asking). I don't think it was personal to @jakoB_haQ.
Let's not forget that those building YouTube channels are funded by affiliate app sales, advertising revenue, Patreon subscriptions and so on. They wouldn't put the hours in if there wasn't a commercial aspect to it. I'm not suggesting it's a lucrative commercial venture, but financial rewards exist.
Where commerce is involved, I think it's only fair to question motives.
But as I said, @ashh didn't mount a personal attack on @jakoB_haQ and I sincerely don't believe it's fair to launch personal attacks on him.
I agree with jonmoore. I think there is a reasonable debate to be made about using the forum primarily to promote material that you get paid for. Perhaps some of us are old enough to remember with some fondness when discussion about ios music making was a more amateur affair.
It might not have been a personal attack in one sense but it was in another—the intent expressed was to make Jakob feel unwelcome and I guess by extension others that create threads for their iOS music videos without participating in enough threads for OP to feel they are legitimate community members—even though some of those people have made markedly positive contributions through their videos from which the community has gained a lot of valuable information.
IMO, if one starts a thread to make someone feel unwelcome that’s personal even if one tries to couch it as some sort of principled discussion.
The videos that most of the “drive-bys” post are beneficial.
I just re-read the whole thread (I’m bored). Honestly, there’s no attacks. I think we’re all good here.
@espiegel123 I agree that it was ill-advised to involve @jakoB_haQ in the discussion. But I don't think the question @ashh posted was out of line. The points you make regarding knowledge-share are valid discussion points as part of what could have been a reasonable adult debate. What happened in response to @ashh's post was very far from an adult debate.
In my opinion, the tone of the original post came off as negative and an attempt to arouse negative feeling rather than an invitation to a serious discussion. It came across as "i am not meaning to insult X but X is not welcome here in my opinion."
It was a snarky post, he possibly misjudged his audience and he retreated. Jacob is beloved and a public figure (of sorts) and should be able to take a little criticism.
As for the attack on the OP, I’d hardly call it a pile-on. It’s like somebody honking their horn at you because you tried to make an illegal left turn. No harm, really. It’s like the lowest stakes game of F**k Around and Find Out you could have.
You’re welcome to leave drive-by comments on any of my creations posts. Especially a few days/weeks after they’ve sunk into the abyss. 😬
Thanks Wim, I thought I was losing my mind.
If you have a look at the last 20 topics started by Jacob, you can see that he contributed to most of them, commenting, replying, etc. It is not my objective to mob @ashh because he raised an interesting question but I think he did not his job of investigation deep enough and he cannot name Jacob as one of these guy who just want to attract attention and “takes more than gives”…