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What do we think of drive-bys?

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  • @ocelot said:

    @ashh said:

    @ocelot said:

    @ashh said:
    So does this community thrive or simply chug along? If it did thrive (throve?) then maybe we could get that superb DAW we've all been wishing for. Or whatever. I guess that's what is under all of this for me.

    Many folks right here in this community have expressed zero interest in the mobile platform becoming like the desktop. Some don't appreciate AU plugins and the accompanying shift that took place a few years ago on this platform with the advent of AUv3 plugins and hosts. Unfortunately, many of those folks have left this virtual community.

    As an aside, I'm interested to see that Jacob hasn't replied to this and I honestly think that is because he is not on these boards to see it.

    There you go assuming again. Many developers used to interact a lot more in this virtual community. Why do you think they stopped, ashh?

    I think they stopped for whatever reason humans have for stopping doing stuff. But that's not what you were getting at, was it? You were hinting that people like me make people like them feel unwelcome, right? Can you say some more about that?

    Wow!
    Carry on...carry on.

    Is this your answer? What does it mean?

    Are you carrying a burning coal of resentment that stuff like this rekindles into a roaring flame? Is that coal from a hurt you took from something that was said to you? I'm reaching here, obviously.

  • What song is that from?

  • @ashh said:

    @ocelot said:

    @ashh said:

    @ocelot said:

    @ashh said:
    So does this community thrive or simply chug along? If it did thrive (throve?) then maybe we could get that superb DAW we've all been wishing for. Or whatever. I guess that's what is under all of this for me.

    Many folks right here in this community have expressed zero interest in the mobile platform becoming like the desktop. Some don't appreciate AU plugins and the accompanying shift that took place a few years ago on this platform with the advent of AUv3 plugins and hosts. Unfortunately, many of those folks have left this virtual community.

    As an aside, I'm interested to see that Jacob hasn't replied to this and I honestly think that is because he is not on these boards to see it.

    There you go assuming again. Many developers used to interact a lot more in this virtual community. Why do you think they stopped, ashh?

    I think they stopped for whatever reason humans have for stopping doing stuff. But that's not what you were getting at, was it? You were hinting that people like me make people like them feel unwelcome, right? Can you say some more about that?

    Wow!
    Carry on...carry on.

    Is this your answer? What does it mean?

    Are you carrying a burning coal of resentment that stuff like this rekindles into a roaring flame? Is that coal from a hurt you took from something that was said to you? I'm reaching here, obviously.

    Just quoting you here for posterity.

  • I've followed this thread with lots of interest.

    For a long time I didn't post my videos here for exactly the reason @ashh pointed out, I felt like it would be perceived as some kind of self-promotion without really contributing anything else.
    This was further reinforced by the fact that my post got hardly any comments if any.

    And just to be clear I do read this forum every day and have been a member since 2013.
    I do also engage with posts when I have something I want to add.

    I have recently started to post my videos here again, so I hope that doesn't cause offense to anyone.
    I think if the general consensus was for me to stop, I would stop, but I think most people are Ok with it.

    Anyway, I'm off to do a Drive-By for my new video🤣

  • @thesoundtestroom said:
    I've followed this thread with lots of interest.

    For a long time I didn't post my videos here for exactly the reason @ashh pointed out, I felt like it would be perceived as some kind of self-promotion without really contributing anything else.
    This was further reinforced by the fact that my post got hardly any comments if any.

    And just to be clear I do read this forum every day and have been a member since 2013.
    I do also engage with posts when I have something I want to add.

    I have recently started to post my videos here again, so I hope that doesn't cause offense to anyone.
    I think if the general consensus was for me to stop, I would stop, but I think most people are Ok with it.

    Anyway, I'm off to do a Drive-By for my new video🤣

    Reading this made me think that there must be something innate in certain British folk as I feel the exact same way as you Doug, and maybe that’s why I could relate to the underlying point @ashh was opening up for discussion.

    BTW @ashh, there’s an ace book that came out in the naughties titled "The Tyranny of Niceness" (my day job for many years involved creative strategy so my bookshelf is a tad overpopulated with behavioral science tomes of this ilk!). It sums up and confronts the fundamental social dysfunction of niceness. This often gets amplified in online communities and permeates a culture of groupthink over individuality and frank honesty. I occasionally recognise this tendency here on the AB forum. The prevailing attitude isn't very tolerant of criticism (constructive or otherwise) of apps, developers, or 'influencers'; particularly when it goes against groupthink. And I think this thread is a perfect example of what often happens when someone questions groupthink norms.

  • edited November 2021

    @jonmoore said:
    And I think this thread is a perfect example of what often happens when someone questions groupthink norms.

    Or maybe people just didn't agree with him...? :smiley:

  • edited November 2021

    I’m the perfect forum member…
    1. I’m old
    2. I have nothing better to do.
    3. I used to philosophize, but I got bored with myself.
    4. I used to want politics but now I’m exhausted.
    5. I post a lot of music crap so it seems like I’m contributing, but it’s just the end of my workflow.
    6. I can tolerate criticism but prefer to be hugged (since worshipped is out of the question)
    7. I had questions but now they’re answered.
    8. I like it when folks express themselves.
    9. I enjoy pissing @Michael off once in a while.
    10. I’ve made a few great friends here.
    11. I encouraged @Edward_Alexander to quit smoking.
    12. I’m @McD’s foil.
    13. I fear I will wake up one day and ABF will be gone.
    14. I fear I will wake up one day and Trump will be President again and classify iOS musicians as immigrants.
    15. I alway write you’re when it’s clearly not your.

    The salient thing here, IMHO, is that every bullet point I made begins with “I”. Yes I do feel a “we” and that feels great, but, bottom line, I come here for me… and that’s what I think (me, again) most of us do… except for iOS saints like @Samu, @Telefunky (where is he? I hope he’s ok) and maybe @wim (wim enjoys his knowledge fame, I suspect, so that precludes sainthood and makes him merely a great, informative and fun guy). My good droog @McD provides a unique perspective and is music knowledge unequaled, but I think he uses the forum as his psychiatrist’s couch. It’s good I don’t mind being lied (layed, laid?) on top of… We, on the autistic spectrum, like Temple Grandin, love that…. Still, no sainthood for McD.

    The rest of us, @ashh, @simon, @espiegel123 (you old contrarian) @jakoB_haQ and the thousands of lurkers (voyeurs) are just normal folk who do or don’t flex their personalities once in a while. To my mind that’s a pretty good community. One where you can be silent, contribute, take, make a wave, make mistakes without being rejected, be funny when no one else thinks so… well, damn, that’s pretty darn good, I think (there’s that “I” again!).

    So, happy Thanksgiving, you Americans… and the rest of you, who only worship Black Friday, keep resenting that Americans think everyone celebrates Thanksgiving…. that’s what makes us human beans. All power to the DAW! 👊🤔

  • it’s funny @LinearLineman , reading yr list, my reflection was “we’re free to be we” … i scroll down, and their it is :))

    type or not type, read or not read, these r r choices …

    i come here mostly, because of a deep Love of the apps i’ve found through here, and the discussions about and around these apps, with good Natured people (or typed effigies of such)

    that r typing strays out, is, given time, inevitable

    what did the beatles say? "In the end the love you take is equal to the love you make"

    i feel Doug and the youtubers are waving flags in other lands, but it’s still the same flag :)

  • @LinearLineman said:

    I don’t mind being lied (layed, laid?) on top of…

    Loan

  • Shut the front DAW Mike! (It’s cold in here!)

    Shoot, if it wasn’t for this place, well, I’d probably not have spent almost 100 bucks on apps in the last two days lol.

    Better than spending the 100 bucks on cigarettes though! Hoorah!!!

    @LinearLineman said:

    1. I encouraged @Edward_Alexander to quit smoking

    As a matter of fact, it’ll be 6 months exactly on Nov 31st! Thank you for the words of encouragement.

  • edited November 2021

    I posted 2 times this year, and it was like my debut.

    Thread is interesting, and little shocking to me.
    I think I understand intention of OP, or maybe I am like "looking for cheap sensations",
    anyway I have both answer yes and no.
    Yes - when I have no money to buy new app , and Im boring (because my workflow fail sometimes)
    No - when I have good time with current apps, so Im skipping videos.....
    until I found my interesting before buying advertised app.
    Then Im happy to be able to see video, and make decision about eventual buy.

    Language barier still exist on my side .
    Especially when I like to say a lot, and dont know how.
    Or when I dont know what I want to say...

    So... generally I like all kind of posts, even when Im able to think "Im not like this" or "Im better", but
    the reason why I look at here is because its ALL is intersting. If not today, then tomorrow.
    Like good movie, you can think about this later.
    How often we are looking for something from past at forum?
    Sometimes.... and then we see also advertisements .... and great - it is OK for me.
    It is like SMS, you can open it anytime, no pressure.
    I like all posts here more than random videos from youtube with a lot advertisemens (short and loud at beginning).

    Sorry , I like this orginal subject, because sometimes I felt too poor to buy next app.
    So my mind try to compensate this "lost" with negative thinking about advertisement.
    But when I seen Drambo first letters, videos etc I known alerady it is mine, I must buy it now!

    And simultaneously Im glad to have such videos waiting for my money, they are atractive, not all of course.

    IMO it is easy to buy a lot, but hard to undesrtand what we really need - without trying first. So we should buy, and videos are important. Even without speaking with developer, it is worth to read yours opinion great people! For example I have no KB-1yet and reading thread related to this app was so pleasure, even if I still not bought. (KB-1 or xsequence keyborad ;))

    @wim is like "man who was everywhere", and @uncledave and more people here - sorry to not mention all of you.
    I posted twice, but read a lot here.

    to OP if you can, please allow here to post videos even without developer speaking in comments.
    We dont know how much developers are focused. Maybe emotions like today could lead to less productive?
    Maybe better when some developers are doing their work without speaking with us?

    I have milion questions about new Loopy , but there is clear situation, we are waiting.

    I wrote this to get better rating in my profile ;)

  • @LinearLineman said:
    I’m the perfect forum member…
    1. I’m old

    Who said you were old?

    1. I have nothing better to do.

    We're musicians, music is what we do when we have nothing better to do.

    1. I used to philosophize, but I got bored with myself.

    You're not the only one.

    1. I used to want politics but now I’m exhausted.

    See answer to number 3

    1. I post a lot of music crap so it seems like I’m contributing, but it’s just the end of my workflow.

    It's inspiring because if that's the end of your world flow?
    then some of us better get cracking.

    1. I can tolerate criticism but prefer to be hugged (since worshipped is out of the question)

    A hug goes along way.

    1. I had questions but now they’re answered.

    I may have some more questions for you then.

    1. I like it when folks express themselves.

    So do I except when that expression takes the form of body fluids on stage.
    That's a subject for another thread or another platform entirely.

    1. I enjoy pissing @Michael off once in a while.

    You're on your own there mate.
    I'm sure Michael can hold his own.
    I haven't yet pissed him off yet but I'm sure I will know when I do.

    1. I’ve made a few great friends here.

    Likewise.

    1. I encouraged @Edward_Alexander to quit smoking.

    Good job.

    1. I’m @McD’s foil.

    Ahhh, so you're the one to blame.

    1. I fear I will wake up one day and ABF will be gone.

    Hopefully it will take it's time in doing so.
    The jokes and the journey are going to be fun.

    1. I fear I will wake up one day and Trump will be President again and classify iOS musicians as immigrants.

    No need to fear anymore the U.K has a Trump clone.
    iOS musicians are migrants.
    We migrated here because of the phaff elsewhere.

    1. I alway write you’re when it’s clearly not your.

    Well, if it sounds right it must be okay.

    The salient thing here, IMHO, is that every bullet point I made begins with “I”. Yes I do feel a “we” and that feels great, but, bottom line, I come here for me… and that’s what I think (me, again) most of us do… except for iOS saints like @Samu, @Telefunky (where is he? I hope he’s ok) and maybe @wim (wim enjoys his knowledge fame, I suspect, so that precludes sainthood and makes him merely a great, informative and fun guy). My good droog @McD provides a unique perspective and is music knowledge unequaled, but I think he uses the forum as his psychiatrist’s couch. It’s good I don’t mind being lied (layed, laid?) on top of… We, on the autistic spectrum, like Temple Grandin, love that…. Still, no sainthood for McD.

    McD will get his sainthood.
    It maybe a bit wobbly at times but it certainly will have a halo.

    The rest of us, @ashh, @simon, @espiegel123 (you old contrarian) @jakoB_haQ and the thousands of lurkers (voyeurs) are just normal folk who do or don’t flex their personalities once in a while. To my mind that’s a pretty good community. One where you can be silent, contribute, take, make a wave, make mistakes without being rejected, be funny when no one else thinks so… well, damn, that’s pretty darn good, I think (there’s that “I” again!).

    Agreed.

    So, happy Thanksgiving, you Americans… and the rest of you, who only worship Black Friday, keep resenting that Americans think everyone celebrates Thanksgiving…. that’s what makes us human beans. All power to the DAW! 👊🤔

    I'm from the U.K, Thanksgiving seems like early Christmas and Black Friday?
    Well, every Friday is Black Friday to me. 😂🙏🏽

    This thread is turning epic.

    Where's the soundtrack????
    Any "drive by" videos or links?

  • @LinearLineman said:
    12. I’m @McD’s foil.

    If it's made of tin and shaped as a hat.

    My good droog @McD provides a unique perspective and is music knowledge unequaled, but I think he uses the forum as his psychiatrist’s couch.

    I'm sure you can see the parallels to online group therapy. I think the OP should let this thread flow away into the database. Nothing solved and anyone with something to "sell" should drop a discussion
    thread and let the resident fish either pick at the carcass (which keeps it around for days and days) or
    swim away.

    I do get upset by some blatant attempts to request attention... which is the purpose of a drive-by
    but the benefits out weigh any solution. If you see a drive by just move away to hasten it's demise.
    (Good luck with that). On the converse, dear community please comment on creations, reply to question even if you don't know the answer, and above all be fucking civil about your discourse.

    (Hey shrink... how am I doing with these anger issues?... really... fuck 'em).

    All power to the DAW! 👊🤔

    DAW is so dull as a workflow... AUM not using the 4 I bought.

  • edited November 2021

    @McD said:
    I think the OP should let this thread flow away into the database. Nothing solved and anyone with something to "sell" should drop a discussion
    thread and let the resident fish either pick at the carcass (which keeps it around for days and days) or
    swim away.

    Classic. :smiley:

  • McDMcD
    edited November 2021

    @Simon said:

    @McD said:
    I think the OP should let this thread flow away into the database. Nothing solved and anyone with something to "sell" should drop a discussion
    thread and let the resident fish either pick at the carcass (which keeps it around for days and days) or
    swim away.

    Classic. :smiley:

    You get me…. I was heard and validated in my curmudgeonly madness. Can I ask for more? Probably.

    Veni, vidi, fuck off.

  • edited November 2021

    @McD said:

    @Simon said:

    @McD said:
    I think the OP should let this thread flow away into the database. Nothing solved and anyone with something to "sell" should drop a discussion
    thread and let the resident fish either pick at the carcass (which keeps it around for days and days) or
    swim away.

    Classic. :smiley:

    You get me…. I was heard and validated in my curmudgeonly madness. Can I ask for more? Probably.

    Veni, vidi, fuck off.

    You do make me smile. In a good way.

    So! @wim! I know what is happening here. In the ABF forum. I know what @ocelot was on about (I think). I know why some people have said that they resent others on here. I know why your face was all scrunched up when you read my words. Let me explain...

    Once upon a time there was a forum where devs got together to talk about making apps. It was a place where they were amongst their peers. Sure, from time to time some plebs came along to ask questions about something but really, it was a place run by a dev for devs. Everything was beautiful, in its own way.

    But then ... dun dun dunhhhhhhh! The plebs took over! Aaaaaargh! They weren't respectful of the OGs, the zen masters of the code. They wore t-shirts with Make Music Not Apps on them and other thoroughly disrespectful slogans. The OGs faded away, leaving just a burning coal of resentment in the hearts of a few dramatically dejected devs.

    A few years later, some other pleb got the idea that this was a forum for people who make music and asked a question that stirred up all that shit again.

    How did I do?

  • edited November 2021

    @ashh said:
    Once upon a time there was a forum where devs got together to talk about making apps. It was a place where they were amongst their peers. Sure, from time to time some plebs came along to ask questions about something but really, it was a place run by a dev for devs. Everything was beautiful, in its own way.

    But then ... dun dun dunhhhhhhh! The plebs took over! Aaaaaargh! They weren't respectful of the OGs, the zen masters of the code. They wore t-shirts with Make Music Not Apps on them and other thoroughly disrespectful slogans. The OGs faded away, leaving just a burning coal of resentment in the hearts of a few dramatically dejected devs.

    A few years later, some other pleb got the idea that this was a forum for people who make music and asked a question that stirred up all that shit again.

    Is this the AudioBus Forum you are talking about, or some epic saga like "Dune" or "Star Wars"...?

    Wait,I know - it's "The Young And The Restless"? :smiley:

  • I really have no idea what’s going on in this thread.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2021

    @Simon said:
    Is this the AudioBus Forum you are talking about, or some epic saga like "Dune" or "Star Wars"...?

    Wait,I know - it's "The Young And The Restless"? :smiley:

    Feels more like “Mr. Robot” to me.

  • @ashh, you're way off base. Cut it out.

    It's okay for folks to disagree with one another. That's natural. But it's not okay to make bizarre assumptions, to confuse questioning groupthink norms with ordinary disagreement, and launch unprovoked personal attacks.

    In your OP, you singled Jakob out, and stated that he and others "take more than they give", "do not bring anything to a community, do not respect that community and aren't about that community". Then you asked "What do you think?"

    And folks gave you their opinion. I hope you learned something. It's time to wrap this up.

  • I usually find, after a little self-examination, that most burning lumps of resentful coal I see other people carrying around are more often than not actually mine.

  • edited November 2021

    @jebni said:
    I usually find, after a little self-examination, that most burning lumps of resentful coal I see other people carrying around are more often than not actually mine.

    I would contact the Police. Coal theft is a serious matter :smiley:

    This is such a weird thread... LOL

  • @ocelot said:
    @ashh, you're way off base. Cut it out.

    It's okay for folks to disagree with one another. That's natural. But it's not okay to make bizarre assumptions, to confuse questioning groupthink norms with ordinary disagreement, and launch unprovoked personal attacks.

    In your OP, you singled Jakob out, and stated that he and others "take more than they give", "do not bring anything to a community, do not respect that community and aren't about that community". Then you asked "What do you think?"

    And folks gave you their opinion. I hope you learned something. It's time to wrap this up.

    It was me that made the connection between something @ashh said and “The Tyranny of Niceness” book, you can’t blame Ash for that.

    With regard to the negative outcomes of online social media tools (whatever their ilk, we’re not just talking forums here), there are reams of scientifically researched literature on the subject. The ultimate negative outcome is the level of polarised opinions in the modern world. That inability to recognise that life exists in the grey ultimately leads to conflict. There's also a dangerous tendency in gen Z folk (and their parents to a certain extent) to always be searching for approval from their peer groups. The ironic thing is that many of these same people eat up the parodies of 'likes' being more important than money in modern economies (Black Mirror and suchlike) but they're unable to recognise the same traits in themselves.

    From my perspective, I say again that I thought it wasn't smart that Ash personalised the discourse he was attempting to create to Jakob. But I do think the core point warranted discussion.

    But I also agree, enough already!

  • If we combine this thread with @Poppadocrock’s app sales thread it can go on forever. How’s that sound?

    Also, since we’re down with the resentful coal metaphor… my grandma always said (she had a this disease that limited her to saying just one sentence over and over)…” two coals burn longer than one”. Not sure about the resentful part… maybe that’s about climate change.

  • :)) i hear your grandma :)) my learning was in the power of two logs on the fire ...

    and thanks to @Poppadocrock for that sales thread ... though many of the bargains are old friends :)

  • wimwim
    edited November 2021

    @ashh said:
    How did I do?

    Just my opinion? ...

    Sorry, but I hardly think you could have characterized the history and current state of the AB forum more inaccurately. I haven't been here since the very beginning, but have been for a long time. If I didn't know you were talking about this forum it honestly never would have occurred to me that you were.

    If that's the viewpoint from which your original post was made, I guess I can understand a little better what prompted it. As it is, we're in two completely different realities. So ... in that respect ... I guess you did help clear up my confusion about why it bothers you. B)

    Sorry - no disrespect intended. You're entitled to your views. ✌🏼

  • @LinearLineman said:
    If we combine this thread with @Poppadocrock’s app sales thread it can go on forever. How’s that sound?

    Also, since we’re down with the resentful coal metaphor… my grandma always said (she had a this disease that limited her to saying just one sentence over and over)…” two coals burn longer than one”. Not sure about the resentful part… maybe that’s about climate change.

    This could the thread for whenever
    someone needs to offload their coal.
    It doesn't have to burning to be hot.

  • edited November 2021

    @LinearLineman said:
    If we combine this thread with @Poppadocrock’s app sales thread it can go on forever. How’s that sound?

    It sounds reasonable, but it doesn't even need Poppa's thread to go forever.

    Coal makes diamonds and, according to noted British geologist Ian Fleming, diamonds are forever. So, there you go guv. Case closed.

  • @Simon said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    If we combine this thread with @Poppadocrock’s app sales thread it can go on forever. How’s that sound?

    It sounds reasonable, but it doesn't even need Poppa's thread to go forever.

    Unless the cost of coal goes down.

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