Apartheid is Fascism ( or: your crypto won’t save you when the jackboots come-a-marching).

Gavinski

@LinearLineman said:
"No mind is thoroughly well organized that is deficient in a sense of humor." –Samuel Taylor Coleridge

😂👍👍

AudioGus

@Gavinski said:
I see that this thread has been sunk, BTW

No worries, looks like another thread of AB forum ‘monopoly’ debate is starting to cook up, which is always fertile ground for fruitful left / right balderdash.

NeuM

@Gavinski said:
I see that this thread has been sunk, BTW

Keep adding to it and it comes back.

knewspeak

@tahiche said:

@Simon said:

@tahiche said:
Australians are communist because they live upside down. Also an estimation.

At least we have the steering wheel on the right. All Yanks have it on the left - QAnon says that means all Yanks are secretly COMMIES!!!

I myself didn’t know I was a commie until @NeuM estimated I was. Do you think I might be secretly Australian?. 🧐

Only if you have an Antipodean instrument like a Didgeridoo in your possession.

NeuM

@Gavinski said:

@LinearLineman said:
"No mind is thoroughly well organized that is deficient in a sense of humor." –Samuel Taylor Coleridge

😂👍👍

There’s no shortage of humor around here. We have a great time.

tahiche

@knewspeak said:

@tahiche said:

@Simon said:

@tahiche said:
Australians are communist because they live upside down. Also an estimation.

At least we have the steering wheel on the right. All Yanks have it on the left - QAnon says that means all Yanks are secretly COMMIES!!!

I myself didn’t know I was a commie until @NeuM estimated I was. Do you think I might be secretly Australian?. 🧐

Only if you have an Antipodean instrument like a Didgeridoo in your possession.

That would make me a hippy!. Which by some “estimations” I already am.

Let me take the “didgeridoo” cue to tell you about Spain’s word for “you hippy communist leach”, it’s PERROFLAUTA. It’s literally “dog flute”. Originally named after punks/hippies/squatters or “anti capitalism” type that notoriously play the flute while asking for some coins and were often accompanied by stray dogs. The right wing now uses it despectively and loosely, just like they call you a communist or bolivarian.

Gavinski

@tahiche said:

@knewspeak said:

@tahiche said:

@Simon said:

@tahiche said:
Australians are communist because they live upside down. Also an estimation.

At least we have the steering wheel on the right. All Yanks have it on the left - QAnon says that means all Yanks are secretly COMMIES!!!

I myself didn’t know I was a commie until @NeuM estimated I was. Do you think I might be secretly Australian?. 🧐

Only if you have an Antipodean instrument like a Didgeridoo in your possession.

That would make me a hippy!. Which by some “estimations” I already am.

Let me take the “didgeridoo” cue to tell you about Spain’s word for “you hippy communist leach”, it’s PERROFLAUTA. It’s literally “dog flute”. Originally named after punks/hippies/squatters or “anti capitalism” type that notoriously play the flute while asking for some coins and were often accompanied by stray dogs. The right wing now uses it despectively and loosely, just like they call you a communist or bolivarian.

Haha, i guess the UK equivalent would be to call you a 'crusty', which is a word I always thought well-chosen, but perroflauta blows it out of the water 🤪

sevenape

@Gavinski said:

@tahiche said:

@knewspeak said:

@tahiche said:

@Simon said:

@tahiche said:
Australians are communist because they live upside down. Also an estimation.

At least we have the steering wheel on the right. All Yanks have it on the left - QAnon says that means all Yanks are secretly COMMIES!!!

I myself didn’t know I was a commie until @NeuM estimated I was. Do you think I might be secretly Australian?. 🧐

Only if you have an Antipodean instrument like a Didgeridoo in your possession.

That would make me a hippy!. Which by some “estimations” I already am.

Let me take the “didgeridoo” cue to tell you about Spain’s word for “you hippy communist leach”, it’s PERROFLAUTA. It’s literally “dog flute”. Originally named after punks/hippies/squatters or “anti capitalism” type that notoriously play the flute while asking for some coins and were often accompanied by stray dogs. The right wing now uses it despectively and loosely, just like they call you a communist or bolivarian.

Haha, i guess the UK equivalent would be to call you a 'crusty', which is a word I always thought well-chosen, but perroflauta blows it out of the water 🤪

Here in Italy it's "fricchettone" which has it's roots in the English word "freak".

AlexY

Great ambient track. Enjoyed it a lot.

JeffChasteen

@espiegel123 said:
@NeuM: again you actually won't speak directly to what was asked or presented. Your responses are non-sequiturs. I can't tell if you are unwilling to engage directly with what I posted, don't understand it, or if you are being disingenuous because there is unresolvable tension between your desire for unfettered freedom and bearing responsibility for the exercise of that freedom.

Your responses are consistently what-aboutisms or other non-sequiturs. Neither actually speaks to the direct issue. Whether publicly subisidized insurance is a good thing is completely irrelevant to the question of whether the people that choose to put themselves and others at risk should bear the cost.

You aren't willing to talk about that directly. That's your right. But if you disagree with the statement I made, you have not put forward a justification as to why those people should not bear the cost or why they should be allowed to put us all at risk.

I'm out.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

tahiche

@JeffChasteen said:

@espiegel123 said:
@NeuM: again you actually won't speak directly to what was asked or presented. Your responses are non-sequiturs. I can't tell if you are unwilling to engage directly with what I posted, don't understand it, or if you are being disingenuous because there is unresolvable tension between your desire for unfettered freedom and bearing responsibility for the exercise of that freedom.

Your responses are consistently what-aboutisms or other non-sequiturs. Neither actually speaks to the direct issue. Whether publicly subisidized insurance is a good thing is completely irrelevant to the question of whether the people that choose to put themselves and others at risk should bear the cost.

You aren't willing to talk about that directly. That's your right. But if you disagree with the statement I made, you have not put forward a justification as to why those people should not bear the cost or why they should be allowed to put us all at risk.

I'm out.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Nice one!. Sounds great too, makes for a nice song chorus!.
Specially love the “See also” section, very accurate 😝

sevenape

@AlexY said:
Great ambient track. Enjoyed it a lot.

Thank you very much!!!!

MuchHustle

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@NeuM said:
I mostly agree with everything you've said here.

Do you think that he won the 2020 election?

Do I think Biden won the election? He's President, isn't he? No matter how it happened or what one believes, Biden is in fact President.

@espiegel123 said:
So, I ask you once again, do y> @NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@NeuM said:
I mostly agree with everything you've said here.

Do you think that he won the 2020 election?

Do I think Biden won the election? He's President, isn't he? No matter how it happened or what one believes, Biden is in fact President.

In your opinion, did he legitimately win the election?

It is a simple question.

Anyone who is half sober and honest at all knows the Swamp stole the election. If you want to proudly stand by proudly voting for Biden and your not desperate for work in Hollywood, you have obvious cognitive issues in that you lack an ability to view your reality and effectively conceptualize what events have actually transpired and being able to differentiate that from the voices in your head telling you what saw…. First prez that entered no new wars, meanwhile we are about to war with Russia because? Oh yeah, to protect the sanctity of Ukraine’s border. Borders! The ruse is up bro. The longer you shills keep doubling down as the emperor is wheeled naked into an old age home the more permanent damage you are doing to your permanent image, honor, honesty, etc… While you might not dangle with the Pfizer fan boys (not enough rope) you can look forward to being housed with the molestors, BLM grifters, and male female sport opportunist, in a post collapse dystopian city and we hold our own “judgment day”…..

MuchHustle

@NeuM said:

@MuchHustle said:

@ExAsperis99 said:

@Eschatone said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Well, that's needlessly provocative headline doesn't serve this excellent piece of music at all! (Despite the fact that I agree, probably, with the sentiment.)

I hit play and forgot I did and was digging this and looking at my various playlists trying to find out what it was! Was this the new Microphones? Something from my long-gestating Ambient playlist on apple music? Anyway, it's great. Would love to hear more.

I guess I was born too late to exist in an era when saying the obvious (fascism is bad) wasn’t controversial. My grandfather grew up in such a time, when he helped save America from fascists in ww2.

We’ve taken political correctness WAY too far when we start worrying about offending the sensibilities of fascists…far too many Americans have lost their lives protecting the country from their cruelty and abuses, for us to callously disregard their sacrifice by coddling such an objectively inhumane ideology.

That said, great music btw and don’t ever let anyone dissuade you from expressing your morality through your art.

You mistake my sarcasm! I'm firmly in the anti-fascist camp, though it's weird to think there are people who are on the fence about that!

Like many you are probably not aware of just how fascist the anti-fascist movement (or Antifa) really is at its core and as an inevitable outcome of their misguided beliefs. Its part of a long process of subversive alterations of society’s language. For example most believe the dangerous false dichotomy that the poles of the “Political Scale” range from “Communism” (left) <-to-> “Fascism” (right), with their only supportive evidence being the that pre-WWII there was opposition and conflict between Hitler’s Nazi Socialist Party and the Communist Bolsheviks which was framed by western subversive intellectuals as yet another brick in their Hegelian Dialectic trap, along with Moral Relativism, that has the effect of ensnaring one, whether “coming” or “going” (left or right), in an underlying collectivist type system of centralized State control, knowing that once total control over “The Means of Production” is established “ownership” is an inconsequential detail that powerless and thus politically meaningless. Since Communism is defined as State ownership (which has implied control) over the means of production and Fascism is defined as State control, but private ownership, of the means of production the true poles of the Political scale places: “State” -Left- (representing Collectivism premise) <-to-> “Anarchy -Right- (Individualism). These polar positions are expressed, Ethically by: Left = “Common Good” by force (actual violence or the threat thereof) Right = “Individual Good” by voluntary consent.

In conclusion, given the fact that just over the previous century over 100,000,000 (100’s of millions!) people were slaughtered (not counting the billion plus that only suffered from torture, famine, and unimaginable loss) in the name of Communism and a quarter that under Fascism, etc.. Artist need to fucking stick to art and stop dabbling into politics, they don’t understand, in order to be fashionable or just “sarcastic” as if it were funny or even witty, when in reality, to one awake, they see yet another copy of a copy of a copy pretending to be original. I apologize but the time for being quiet and allowing this shit to go by, unchecked, is over and should’ve never started. These ideas (mental viruses) have tragic consequences when the infection takes hold and spreads, as we are now witnessing (at least to those that know what it is they are seeing). I don’t mean covid or flu hype but the larger cultural war that is raging. Thank you for considering my request.

Appreciate the comments. I have my own theories why artists and musicians (and entertainers in general) tend to lean toward collectivism… because those in the arts are usually poor (I was once quite poor myself) and collectivism provides a fast and easy answer for being poor, which is: Wealth and goods are taken from others via force of the state and taxation to distribute to “all”. The problem with this view is it only works until the society collapses from all the “taking” and “redistributing”.

And this trend toward collectivism has regrettably spread fast, far and wide because of COVID. Fear and mandatory shutdowns accelerated all of it. And I think it’s also important to note that more than HALF of the US population does not pay Federal taxes, which has led to an entitlement mentality that is extremely damaging to the cohesion of the people among the States in the US.

Im poor as fuck. I live in a one room SRO in a clean and sober building but as a moral person and just in my self interest, poor people have the most to gain in a free low tax, low barrier, Libertarian market that is dynamic. Not one current billionaire was born even rich, over half came from poverty to lower middle class background. Its people being convinced to give in to their most dishonest and disgusting versions of themselves like fuck that rich dick or whatever from a place of hate, envy, spite, etc…. Has they’ve proven, Leftist could give a damn about the poor people they con over and over as theyre belief is based on desire to hurt the rich not help the poor. They want a caste society where at best you get a “living wage” for awhile until they inflate it away and collapses into tyranny but they will be frozen at top you frozen at bottom and they fear a free system in which theyll be found out for the frauds they are and Pallosi goes back to selling seniors shitty Medicare insurance door to door and theyre betters create and invent the future they cant dream of from beneath all the poison they hold onto and emit. Just like the Critical neo Marxist academics…. What does Biden,a forum of electric car makers, Ford, Chevy, and Elon Musk all have in common….🤷🙈🙉🙊

MuchHustle

@Gavinski said:
I haven't read many of the posts in this thread but i will because this topic is very interesting to me. I find it a tragedy that many on the alt right side think that they are the smart ones, the unmanipulated ones, the undeluded ones. It's like they walked out of the matrix and into an even worse matrix. I've been spending quite a bit of time in crypto telegram groups recently too, and while they can often be amusing, it is shocking to see the underlying racism, sexism, antivax, antimask etc sentiment that is rife in some areas of that space.

In terms of what's been happening in the US and the west in general (though the post-war 20th century was really led by America, both in soft power and in hard power) there have been no greater eye openers for me than:

Adam Curtis documentaries (freely available on YouTube). Particularly The Century of the Self, Hypernormalisation and Can't Get You Out of My Head

The book American Rule by Jared Yates Sexton - this is basically a very readable 'dark history' of America. If you search his name and 'American Rule lectures' on YouTube you csn also find aome video talks he did on some of the stuff from the book, but they are really no substitute for it.

Anything by Ivan Illich, although he is much better at criticising the status quo than suggesting solutions.

The Ascent of Humanity by Charles Eisenstein, which is similar in concept to Illich but on a much broader level and a lot more readable.

Any podcast discussions with Daniel Schmachtenberger, in my view one of the smartest thinkers alive today. He is very enlightening on the pitfalls of applying evolutionary thinking to modern man and the topic of existential risks of the developed world.

It is also important to dig into a bit of economics and philosophy to understand the errors (actually more likely deliberate lies in my opinion) in Neoliberal free market economics, particularly Austrian economics. Economics is generally or perhaps even always political ideology masquerading as science.

How about the “BRIGHT” history of America for once? Theres enough “deconstructing” and critical masturbating over every possible flaw that could be nit picked by a bunch of Insil undergrads the Western world over to echo from every possible orifice of Marx and Marcusa’s corpses to make the Scarlett whore blush. How about damn near ending poverty (on track to achieve by 2030) GLOBALLY, life expectancy from 45 to almost 80 in less than a century (did your fucking socialized medicine do that? No) How about the super computer you sit and spend your days bemoaning the system that created it before throwing it back into your pocket? You could barely manufacture the pencil that doodles while greater minds sketch out the future in and around your endless complaints of the past that doesn't exist. Yet the lurking evil that does exist and is right in your face and is the killer of men, contributes to 70% of global pollution (just on the books), is a giant dishonest corporation that has as its only product a monopoly on violence, and can be easily fact checked by my 7 year old daughter and an ipad to lie every single day, the government beast breathing death and dishonesty down your bitch ass pencil kneck and not a word of criticism there, youd rather regurgitate Rachel Maddow’s “Summer Reads” Pinterest, than have an original thought with a grain of intellectual honesty? Wow, so unique! What a rare and courageous bird 🦅 you are. 🤡
We are Awesome. Imperfect but striving. the fact that you disagree is maybe more a reflection of your own soul rather than the amazing place that you blessed with an opportunity to be born into. I hope yall succeed in defunding the police because I for one will reintroduce dueling 🤺 and protect the honor of my country and culture. Hip hop culture.

MuchHustle

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@zah7 said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@NeuM said:
If President Trump "really won" he'd be President. That Joe Biden is President is not a point of argument.

I am guessing that you do think Trump was cheated by electoral fraud but you don't want to open that can of worms on this thread. That's ok. You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

My take on it is that if Trump was cheated it would be the biggest political news story since Watergate. Any reporter, left or right wing, would give anything to get that story.

Watergate made reporters Woodward and Bernstein international news superstars. They were made for life financially and career-wise as a result of that story.

So, the Trump fraud story would be pure news gold. But nobody has presented the story. Nobody has uncovered wrong doings. And there have been many court cases that have failed to establish fraud. They didn't even get close.

Why? Because it didn't happen.

If it did, the right wing media would be all over it. Naming names. Detailing the cheating. Demanding people go to jail.

But they are not. Because it simply didn't happen.

OK, since you asked nicely…

My answer is there’s insufficient evidence either way to prove conclusively if there was cheating or not. Because many of the contested States have thrown up barriers to comprehensive and independently verifiable audits, we will likely never know. That’s why the only thing that is unarguable is that Joe Biden is currently President and Donald Trump is not.

Further, even if there was provable cheating there’s no remedy in our Constitution for such a thing. So, it is what it is.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happens-if-the-election-was-a-fraud-the-constitution-doesnt-say/

And in the event the Federal government or the President should ever become tyrannical, there are remedies available to the States to dissolve the Federal government (without bloodshed or violence). I’m not assuming this is what will happen any time soon by the way, despite the breathtaking constitutional violations of the current and several former Presidents.

You are making stuff up about audits. There has been zero evidence despite a large number of lawsuits to indicate irregularities that would have changed the election outcome...this includes lawsuits with GOP-appointed judges and audits with GOP controlled legislatures.

You are voicing (though seemingly reluctant to share your own evaluation ) talking points of conspiracy theories popular on the right. The continued insinuation of significant irregularities favoring the Democratic Party is at odds reality.

Let’s review just a few of the conspiracy theories of the Left during the last administration:

-“He’s a racist”
-“He’s a white supremacist” (alternate: “He sides with the neo-Nazis”)
-“He’s a Russian agent”
-“He hates immigrants”
-“He’s anti-woman”
-“He’s anti-gay”
-“He’s an anti-Semite”
-“He’s mentally ill”
-“He’s compromised by Russian ‘pee tapes’”
-“His lawyer traveled to Russia to pay off hackers who broke into DNC computers”
-“He had Russian money funneled to him through the NRA”
-“He killed thousands of Americans because he did nothing to respond to COVID”
-“He told Americans to inject themselves with bleach”
-“He cheated on his taxes”
-“He had a stroke/strokes which he was hiding from the public”
-“He will refuse to leave the White House if he loses”
-“He was not spied on by the intelligence agencies and he’s crazy for suggesting it”
-“He told supporters to commit insurrection”

All disproven or proven to be Left propaganda. And by the way, that last one is currently part of a highly partisan sham “investigation” which involves legal harassment of him and his associates by Democratic members of Congress. The same ones who lied about the proven fraudulent Steele dossier, by the way.

my sentiments exactly..

Nice dualistic statement’s, truth is often more nuanced, Trump tried to use the corrupt system against itself, he wasn’t successful at maintaining his ‘ego driven’ Presidency. As for redistribution of taxes to the poor and needy, the world’s super-rich have never been richer and are still getting richer, if that’s wealth distribution at work, it’s a system that’s rotten.

I've yet to see a rational or defensible reason to steal the wealth of the financially well off. At least in the US, they already pay the lion's share of taxes. If I had my way, I'd abolish the income tax and the IRS and replace the entire Federal tax system with the so-called "FairTax".

👍 FAIR TAX!👍 Neal Bortz😁

MuchHustle

@knewspeak said:

@Simon said:

@NeuM said:
Let’s review just a few of the conspiracy theories of the Left during the last administration:

I hope you are going to print a list of the right wing conspiracy theories about the Clintons for balance.

I love the one about Hilary running a paedophilia ring operating out of a Washington pizza restaurant.

Or her and Bill being shape-shifting aliens who get power from drinking the blood of dead children

Let's face it - both sides throw stupid mud at the opposition.

Left-Right, Red-Blue, same old, same old, but no corruptus interruptus.

Username says it all. Go away cointel. If dont think Clinton is that plus….. whatever, if people havnt woke up yet with all this reality daily nothing I say is going to make the bot human or the insane sane….

MuchHustle

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@knewspeak said:
They’re obsolete aside from ornamental display, in the brave, new, world.

Except they are not.

They actually pass laws that we all have to live by.

Who "is and is not" elected has consequences for all of us.

As the person representing the Executive branch, Presidents are obligated to uphold the laws of the US, which President Trump successfully did to a far greater degree than any other President in modern history. Doing that was a direct threat to the corrupt and their donors in Washington.

What?

Exactly. The actual reality of policy and not the CNN version. You people are confusing corrupt media with reality and I dont think you have really caught on yet just how waaaaaaaay corupt the media is right now and how waaaaaaaaay out of wack it is right now. You have to leave the echo chamber just a little. Try watching a couple Tucker Carlson episodes alone just for the hell of it. Nothing to lose, if your right your right so no threat getting some variety into your reality feed. Heard of Substack? Glenn Greenwald? Even Liberal ass Russel Brand has woke up because he is honest. At a certain point its really got to come down to your honesty if you still dont see….

MuchHustle

@Simon said:

@Simon said:

@tahiche said:
I thought Bush was terrible, until Trump came along

I was saying to a friend the other day that I never thought I'd see a worse President than Nixon in my lifetime, then Trump came along and blew Nixon off the map. LOL. Come back Dickie - all is forgiven!

p.s. Clinton & Bush don't look so great either...

Notice there still has not been one actual fact of Trumps pres that you disagreed with. What policy, specifically did you not like? Other than he was abrasive and said shit that your too scared to say and said it anywhere it was true. Ill take honesty over fake ass lies all day. Name those pollicies? Otherwise your just a victim of CNN NLP programming from having the telly on in the background everyday and now you “know what you think” but not why, or how like it just got there into your brain somehow….

Michael

Closing the thread - it's taking up too much of my time