Loopy Pro is here!

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tahiche

@wim said:

@cyberheater said:
So looking forward to midi clips

Oddly, as one of the very early whiners about it not being planned for initial release way back when Loopy Pro was announced, I'm no longer looking forward to this like I was. In some way it has become irrelevant and also seems like a retreat from the spontaneity I'm finding with committing to audio loops. It's very weird.

In the interest of beta testing I've been loading up LK, Atom2, Midi Tape Recorder, and others, but somehow I just don't have as much fun, and, with the ones that allow editing, get distracted with tweaking parts and synth patches rather than recording better or different takes.

I'm going to be happy to see it, but also might not be using it as much as I thought. Go figure. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

I’m on the same boat. At first I tried to implement the “usual” midi workflow, using LK and whatever synth, trying to trigger LK scenes, output mapping, etc… But I got bored and opted for just bouncing whatever midi to an audio loop. So liberating!!. Try out stuff, record it to a donut, move on…
I keep the original midi info in an idle LK instance in case I want to redo something, but that’s about it. I’m not organized enough to recall every setting, synth, preset in case I want to change something further on, so I’ll just do it again. But the benefits of just “moving on” and settling on stuff are very rewarding.
So my workflow with midi is: LK as a midi source. Set destination/s auv3 instruments, record some phrases, try out stuff. Commit to audio and mute LK. Repeat and rinse. If you wish you’d done something different you can come back to LK and try to recreate the sound, will probably not happen but you’ll find something else that you like and you use that instead.

tahiche

@tja said:
Found it, @wim

But I am not able to recognise the sequence of colors that would be used, or the next position.

Purple was added in the slot after Blue.
Then Aqua before Blue.
And next Dark Blue between Blue and Purple.

I cannot see logic in the position where the new color is added.
And I cannot see this sequence of colors in the color selector:

Right now, it seems random 😳

Yep, I wish you could choose the new color. Instead you get a random color that you have to change after the fact, plus you need to change the name or after you change the green to gray you still get the “green” text label.

cuberoo_

Is anyone having trouble with Koala? The problem I’m having is that often I’ll load a sample onto a pad and the app (Koala) will then crash and LP will say reload. This does not happen 100% of the time.

Here is an example:

@Michael for your information.

mistercharlie

@tja said:
Found it, @wim

But I am not able to recognise the sequence of colors that would be used, or the next position.

Purple was added in the slot after Blue.
Then Aqua before Blue.
And next Dark Blue between Blue and Purple.

I cannot see logic in the position where the new color is added.
And I cannot see this sequence of colors in the color selector:

Right now, it seems random 😳

Far from random. They appear to be added in order of colors in the spectrum. Aka the colors of the rainbow. I like it this way, FWIW. Much better than having to choose a color every single time you add a channel. Or donut, etc.

lukesleepwalker

@Gdub said:
Been on the beta for a few months
Been a blast
Got pretty good at understanding everything
Then last few days it has really clicked
This is a marvel, I wake up with so many ideas, templates,
I have gone from having massive AUM sessions straining my iPad to collections of loops from those projects
Have made 4 songs in 4 days, that’s more than I made in the last year, when automation comes to the sequencer happy days
Thanks for the super hard work you put into this @Michael
To the people that are struggling, sit in there, it will click
Watch some of the videos
Make some new projects and just try everything,
Download some of the templates
Pick the bits you need, copy them and paste into a new project, or select the item, go into edit mode and see what was done to achieve it’s actions
Go make some beats !!

This is great advice. I got in on the beta fairly early and have slowly figured things out as I go (and as it has evolved quickly). But in the last few days it has really clicked and things are humming along right now> @echoopera said:

I am starting to let go of needing to control my MIDI. This whole process of capturing in the moment and building is so liberating.

I now get it…freedom in just letting go and playing. Too much fun.

I’ve found this too! Flow is so much better with this app

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_smund

Can I insert a PC and CC message send on the timeline mode? It’s for switching patterns in Pure Acid and Drum Computer

Samu

@_smund said:
Can I insert a PC and CC message send on the timeline mode? It’s for switching patterns in Pure Acid and Drum Computer

If I'm not totally mistaken we'll have to wait for the midi-clips to get implemented first...

westway

Is there a way to add latency/timing compensation to MIDI messages that I send via a button? A scenario where this would be handy:

I'm hosting LK and Mozaic (and a synth app) in Loopy Pro and I've made a setup where I route MIDI loops out of LK through Mozaic in order to transpose them. I'm controlling the transpose value via customized buttons that send the required CC values. When I set the trigger quantization of those buttons to 1 bar, the transpose should happen on the 1 following the button press.

Nominally this works, but in practice the transposition often happens a tad too late for the first note of the MIDI loop to be affected. So pushing the CC message some miliiseconds early, slightly before the 1, would be of great help.

espiegel123

@_smund said:
Can I insert a PC and CC message send on the timeline mode? It’s for switching patterns in Pure Acid and Drum Computer

Currently, to have it triggered by the timeline, I think you would need to a loop or oneshot with a send midi follow action

_smund

@espiegel123 sounds good! How do I do it?
Do you guys know a vid describing how to make a loop/oneshot with a “send midi” ”Follow action”? or shall we all make our instructions viddies soon?

Cheers

gregsmith

@tahiche said:

@wim said:

@cyberheater said:
So looking forward to midi clips

Oddly, as one of the very early whiners about it not being planned for initial release way back when Loopy Pro was announced, I'm no longer looking forward to this like I was. In some way it has become irrelevant and also seems like a retreat from the spontaneity I'm finding with committing to audio loops. It's very weird.

In the interest of beta testing I've been loading up LK, Atom2, Midi Tape Recorder, and others, but somehow I just don't have as much fun, and, with the ones that allow editing, get distracted with tweaking parts and synth patches rather than recording better or different takes.

I'm going to be happy to see it, but also might not be using it as much as I thought. Go figure. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

I’m on the same boat. At first I tried to implement the “usual” midi workflow, using LK and whatever synth, trying to trigger LK scenes, output mapping, etc… But I got bored and opted for just bouncing whatever midi to an audio loop. So liberating!!. Try out stuff, record it to a donut, move on…
I keep the original midi info in an idle LK instance in case I want to redo something, but that’s about it. I’m not organized enough to recall every setting, synth, preset in case I want to change something further on, so I’ll just do it again. But the benefits of just “moving on” and settling on stuff are very rewarding.
So my workflow with midi is: LK as a midi source. Set destination/s auv3 instruments, record some phrases, try out stuff. Commit to audio and mute LK. Repeat and rinse. If you wish you’d done something different you can come back to LK and try to recreate the sound, will probably not happen but you’ll find something else that you like and you use that instead.

This is basically my workflow too. When I think about it, I rarely change notes after a certain early point in creating a song, so I’d be happy with just audio, but the thing holding me back is that you can’t automate the audio source afterwards. Quite often I want to open up an envelope on a synth over a number of bars, but if it’s already committed to audio you wouldn’t be able to do this.

The LK workaround is perfectly workable, but a way to do it natively in Loopy would be lovely.

Does anyone use ableton in this case? Does it record midi and audio together?

cuberoo_

Does any one know how to map midi from a midi generator, e.g. Polybeat, to trigger a button? I've set up a trigger action, works fine from controller incoming midi, but I can't find away to send midi from the midi channel to anything other than another midi channel or audio track.

espiegel123

@_smund said:
@espiegel123 sounds good! How do I do it?
Do you guys know a vid describing how to make a loop/oneshot with a “send midi” ”Follow action”? or shall we all make our instructions viddies soon?

Cheers

To add a follow action for a clip:

• open the track’s edit window

• tap Follow Actions towards the bottom of the panel

  • choose when you want it to happen
  • Choose Send Midi message from the list of possible actions

espiegel123

@cuberoo_ said:
Does any one know how to map midi from a midi generator, e.g. Polybeat, to trigger a button? I've set up a trigger action, works fine from controller incoming midi, but I can't find away to send midi from the midi channel to anything other than another midi channel or audio track.

Is this external midi or from a midi AU loaded in loopy?

ecamburn

@gregsmith said:

Does anyone use ableton in this case? Does it record midi and audio together?

When you record midi, audio isn’t recorded by default but it could be. You’d simply need to insert an audio channel, route the midi channel’s audio to the audio channel then record. You can also render a midi track to audio by freezing then flattening

uncledave

@cuberoo_ said:
Does any one know how to map midi from a midi generator, e.g. Polybeat, to trigger a button? I've set up a trigger action, works fine from controller incoming midi, but I can't find away to send midi from the midi channel to anything other than another midi channel or audio track.

Just guessing, but is there maybe a MIDI Learn destination, as there is in Audiobus.

lazyass

@wim said:

@cyberheater said:
So looking forward to midi clips

Oddly, as one of the very early whiners about it not being planned for initial release way back when Loopy Pro was announced, I'm no longer looking forward to this like I was. In some way it has become irrelevant and also seems like a retreat from the spontaneity I'm finding with committing to audio loops. It's very weird.

In the interest of beta testing I've been loading up LK, Atom2, Midi Tape Recorder, and others, but somehow I just don't have as much fun, and, with the ones that allow editing, get distracted with tweaking parts and synth patches rather than recording better or different takes.

I'm going to be happy to see it, but also might not be using it as much as I thought. Go figure. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

Same story. In LP I made two almost ready to go tracks this Saturday. Without any complex planning, editing and etc, just pure fun. Esterday was back to basics and I spend almost one hour poking around with midi clips in atom and another half tryin different synths for this clip. Despite all challenges end result in LP sounded more pleasant and interesting. So I'm more in more in this approach - just make something cool and move on.

espiegel123

@uncledave said:

@cuberoo_ said:
Does any one know how to map midi from a midi generator, e.g. Polybeat, to trigger a button? I've set up a trigger action, works fine from controller incoming midi, but I can't find away to send midi from the midi channel to anything other than another midi channel or audio track.

Just guessing, but is there maybe a MIDI Learn destination, as there is in Audiobus.

Currently (but changing soon), the MIDI Control system listens to external devices an the Virtual Midi In.

So, to send midi from inside Loopy to MIDI Control right now, you need to use a solution that gets MIDI to the Loopy Virtual MIDI port.

With the MIDITools MIDI Route AUv3 loaded in Loopy or miRack you can do it with no additional apps running. (For miRack you have a midi in module connected to a midi out module and choose Loopy as the destination.

The other way to do it is to use Audiobus or MidiFire or AUM or the like (Freeewi might work) to loop back the virtual midi out to the virtual midi in (by watch out for feedback loops).

cuberoo_

@espiegel123 said:

@cuberoo_ said:
Does any one know how to map midi from a midi generator, e.g. Polybeat, to trigger a button? I've set up a trigger action, works fine from controller incoming midi, but I can't find away to send midi from the midi channel to anything other than another midi channel or audio track.

Is this external midi or from a midi AU loaded in loopy?

It's from an AU loaded into a MIDI channel in loopy.

gusgranite

@espiegel123 appreciating your knowledge sharing in this thread! 👍

cuberoo_

@gusgranite said:
@espiegel123 appreciating your knowledge sharing in this thread! 👍

me too, really helpful. I realised that with your advice to use MIDI route it is straightforward to have the MIDI from the AU routed back into loopy. Thanks!

JohnnyGoodyear

@gusgranite said:
@espiegel123 appreciating your knowledge sharing in this thread! 👍

++ with extra plus

ervin

Has anyone here tried to use Beatstep Pro to control LP? I seem to recall @krassmann you're a BSP guru and perhaps there are some more of you or there... Thanks in advance! 🙏

gregsmith

@ecamburn said:

@gregsmith said:

Does anyone use ableton in this case? Does it record midi and audio together?

When you record midi, audio isn’t recorded by default but it could be. You’d simply need to insert an audio channel, route the midi channel’s audio to the audio channel then record. You can also render a midi track to audio by freezing then flattening

Thanks. So similar to what we’ve got with Atom2 / LK already in Loopy.

espiegel123

@gregsmith said:

@ecamburn said:

@gregsmith said:

Does anyone use ableton in this case? Does it record midi and audio together?

When you record midi, audio isn’t recorded by default but it could be. You’d simply need to insert an audio channel, route the midi channel’s audio to the audio channel then record. You can also render a midi track to audio by freezing then flattening

Thanks. So similar to what we’ve got with Atom2 / LK already in Loopy.

Yes. In Ableton, audio and midi are different kinds of tracks.

gregsmith

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@gusgranite said:
@espiegel123 appreciating your knowledge sharing in this thread! 👍

++ with extra plus

Yep @espiegel123 you’ve been an absolute legend throughout the whole beta as well. Thank you.

wim

@tahiche said:

@wim said:

@cyberheater said:
So looking forward to midi clips

Oddly, as one of the very early whiners about it not being planned for initial release way back when Loopy Pro was announced, I'm no longer looking forward to this like I was. In some way it has become irrelevant and also seems like a retreat from the spontaneity I'm finding with committing to audio loops. It's very weird.

In the interest of beta testing I've been loading up LK, Atom2, Midi Tape Recorder, and others, but somehow I just don't have as much fun, and, with the ones that allow editing, get distracted with tweaking parts and synth patches rather than recording better or different takes.

I'm going to be happy to see it, but also might not be using it as much as I thought. Go figure. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

I’m on the same boat. At first I tried to implement the “usual” midi workflow, using LK and whatever synth, trying to trigger LK scenes, output mapping, etc… But I got bored and opted for just bouncing whatever midi to an audio loop. So liberating!!. Try out stuff, record it to a donut, move on…
I keep the original midi info in an idle LK instance in case I want to redo something, but that’s about it. I’m not organized enough to recall every setting, synth, preset in case I want to change something further on, so I’ll just do it again. But the benefits of just “moving on” and settling on stuff are very rewarding.
So my workflow with midi is: LK as a midi source. Set destination/s auv3 instruments, record some phrases, try out stuff. Commit to audio and mute LK. Repeat and rinse. If you wish you’d done something different you can come back to LK and try to recreate the sound, will probably not happen but you’ll find something else that you like and you use that instead.

The wonderful thing about Loopy Pro is you can get back to those sounds. You can leave all the apps and FX in the project, but idle them, and they really do free up all their resources. This has always been a big problem for me until now as I have woefully under powered devices. My dilemma has always been the difficulty of getting back to where I was to record new parts because if having to remove all the apps to save CPU. Now I don’t need to. I can go on for hours adding as many apps and FX as I need, knowing whenever I want I can pick up where I left off if I get new ideas.

BTW - this was great. 👍🏼

wim

@tja said:
Right now, it seems random 😳

If that dismays you then maybe you could describe how you'd like it to work. I'm sure @Michael will read it with an open mind.