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Sitala (drum sampler) coming to iOS / iPadOS, looking for feedback

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  • BobBob

    Can we shape both attack and decay? The knob moves left to shorten decay or right to lower attack. Can we use both at the same time somehow?

  • scotchiscotchi

    @Butterfrog said:
    Hallo Everyone. Longtime lurker, recently signed up.

    Is there any news on the ableton drum convertor? I got a lot of kits that i really want to get into sitala.

    It's something that I spend some time on as time allows. I'll see if I can find some time this week to bang on it a little more. (Again, we already have a command line version, but I'm in the process of slapping a GUI on it to make it more user friendly.) If anyone cares, the source code is here:

    https://github.com/decomposer/SitalaConverter/tree/juce_gui

    Someone also recently created a commercial converter (which I haven't tried), but that's here:

    https://hgsounds.com/product/kit-creator-for-mac-and-windows/

  • taeotaeo

    I’m interested in purchasing Sitala while it’s on sale. I’m curious about the browsing feature within the pads. If my samples are located on an external hard drive, am I still able to swipe through them, permitting the HDD is connected? Or do the samples need to be on the iPad’s hard disk (files/Audioshare)?

  • ToastedghostToastedghost
    edited July 2022

    @scotchi said:

    @Butterfrog said:
    Hallo Everyone. Longtime lurker, recently signed up.

    Is there any news on the ableton drum convertor? I got a lot of kits that i really want to get into sitala.

    It's something that I spend some time on as time allows. I'll see if I can find some time this week to bang on it a little more. (Again, we already have a command line version, but I'm in the process of slapping a GUI on it to make it more user friendly.) If anyone cares, the source code is here:

    https://github.com/decomposer/SitalaConverter/tree/juce_gui

    Someone also recently created a commercial converter (which I haven't tried), but that's here:

    https://hgsounds.com/product/kit-creator-for-mac-and-windows/

    I have used Home Grown Sounds before and although I have not used the kit creator yet, I believe it could be a great addition to your arsenal.

  • KashiKashi
    edited July 2022

    I just bought this and already I’m stumbling…
    When I try to add location, it won’t let me add AudioShare . Why?
    Also, “snap to detected drum sounds” and “slice to pads” are both greyed out. How come?

  • SamuSamu

    @Kashi said:

    When I try to add location, it won’t let me add AudioShare . Why?

    Because Audioshare doesn't support 'Foldersharing' (No 'File Provider Extension' supports it).
    You can link/open individual sounds from AudioShare but you won't be able to swipe between samples.

    I've not even bothered to install AudioShare on my new iPad and keep all my samples in sub-folders directly 'On My iPad' as almost all apps can access them from there using the standard iOS File/Document picker.

    Hopefully some day AudioShare will get an update and remove the dependency on its Files Provider Extension which is no longer needed (it was needed way back in time when File Sharing between apps was a pita on iOS).

  • scotchiscotchi

    @taeo said:
    I’m interested in purchasing Sitala while it’s on sale. I’m curious about the browsing feature within the pads. If my samples are located on an external hard drive, am I still able to swipe through them, permitting the HDD is connected? Or do the samples need to be on the iPad’s hard disk (files/Audioshare)?

    Yes, Sitala can access external hard drives. As noted below, it will not work with AudioShare (that being a limitation of AudioShare, not of Sitala).

  • scotchiscotchi
    edited July 2022

    @Kashi said:
    I just bought this and already I’m stumbling…
    When I try to add location, it won’t let me add AudioShare . Why?

    ...what @Samu said. One little proviso is that iCloud is a special case, and we have an update coming in a few days that adds iCloud support (for remote iCloud files -- synced ones already work).

    Also, “snap to detected drum sounds” and “slice to pads” are both greyed out. How come?

    There’s an upper bound on the length of a sample that Sitala presents for slicing. There are a couple reasons for that:

    • We don’t support zoom yet, so over a certain length, it wouldn’t really be possible to select slices in Sitala
    • The analysis to figure out where slices are would take a long time in long samples

    The big one is the first one. Right now, until we get around to adding scroll and zoom, Sitala’s interface just doesn’t make sense for slicing long samples. Honestly, mostly we didn't think people would be trying to do that, so it's something we'll consider making saner in future versions. (At the very least with a warning, but eventually with scrolling and zooming.)

  • KashiKashi

    Ah, ok.
    Thanks @Samu and @scotchi
    This app definitely isn't for me! Oh well.

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    Can anyone explain how to get multi-outs to work in AUM and/or Cubasis 3? I built 17 tracks manually in AUM but only the main track has audio when sequenced by polybeat. I should only need to connect polybeat MIDI to the main track right and it should send to other outputs? None of the individual tracks output anything. Same in Cubasis after hitting auto build 16 tracks.

    Thanks

  • ButterfrogButterfrog
    edited August 2022

    @scotchi said:

    @Butterfrog said:
    Hallo Everyone. Longtime lurker, recently signed up.

    Is there any news on the ableton drum convertor? I got a lot of kits that i really want to get into sitala.

    It's something that I spend some time on as time allows. I'll see if I can find some time this week to bang on it a little more. (Again, we already have a command line version, but I'm in the process of slapping a GUI on it to make it more user friendly.) If anyone cares, the source code is here:

    https://github.com/decomposer/SitalaConverter/tree/juce_gui

    Someone also recently created a commercial converter (which I haven't tried), but that's here:

    https://hgsounds.com/product/kit-creator-for-mac-and-windows/

    Tnx for the reply! i imagine your quite busy. Fingers crossed for the gui happening soon.

  • SamuSamu

    @oat_phipps said:
    Can anyone explain how to get multi-outs to work in AUM and/or Cubasis 3? I built 17 tracks manually in AUM but only the main track has audio when sequenced by polybeat. I should only need to connect polybeat MIDI to the main track right and it should send to other outputs? None of the individual tracks output anything. Same in Cubasis after hitting auto build 16 tracks.

    Thanks

    Multi-Out can be enabled in the top left menu icon in Sitala. Each pad has its own output.

    @scotchi @luzifer I would personally prefer if we could assign each pad to a specific output.
    You know keep, hi-hats on one channel, snares on another, percussion on a 3rd etc. etc.

    Cheers!

  • ToastedghostToastedghost

    @Samu said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    Can anyone explain how to get multi-outs to work in AUM and/or Cubasis 3? I built 17 tracks manually in AUM but only the main track has audio when sequenced by polybeat. I should only need to connect polybeat MIDI to the main track right and it should send to other outputs? None of the individual tracks output anything. Same in Cubasis after hitting auto build 16 tracks.

    Thanks

    Multi-Out can be enabled in the top left menu icon in Sitala. Each pad has its own output.

    @scotchi @luzifer I would personally prefer if we could assign each pad to a specific output.
    You know keep, hi-hats on one channel, snares on another, percussion on a 3rd etc. etc.

    Cheers!

    If you are using AUM that can be achieved. Select multipule outs in Sitala and then in each audio chanel look for Multi-bus audio instances. Each pad then has its own channel and can be treated to effects.

  • SamuSamu

    @Toastedghost said:

    If you are using AUM that can be achieved. Select multipule outs in Sitala and then in each audio chanel look for Multi-bus audio instances. Each pad then has its own channel and can be treated to effects.

    I know, what I mean is that I don't need 16 individual outputs that I have to re-route/group using the host.
    4-6 busses out from Sitala would be enough for most use-cases :sunglasses:

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps
    edited July 2022

    @Samu said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    Can anyone explain how to get multi-outs to work in AUM and/or Cubasis 3? I built 17 tracks manually in AUM but only the main track has audio when sequenced by polybeat. I should only need to connect polybeat MIDI to the main track right and it should send to other outputs? None of the individual tracks output anything. Same in Cubasis after hitting auto build 16 tracks.

    Thanks

    Multi-Out can be enabled in the top left menu icon in Sitala. Each pad has its own output.

    @scotchi @luzifer I would personally prefer if we could assign each pad to a specific output.
    You know keep, hi-hats on one channel, snares on another, percussion on a 3rd etc. etc.

    Cheers!

    Thanks, I keep forgetting to explore the menu with this app and find things I think are missing are already there. Sitala really has it all. To think I almost overlooked it because it sounded like an Indian percussion drum app.

    Edit: Just found out it’s iPhone too! Sitala have it all

  • scotchiscotchi
    edited July 2022

    @oat_phipps said:
    To think I almost overlooked it because it sounded like an Indian percussion drum app.

    Fun fact on the name: "sitala" was how my son mispronounced the German / Serbo-Croatian (he speaks both) "gitarre" (guitar), which is what he called all instruments. Totally bummed that Sitala already existed before my younger son made up the word "abami" for all drums. ;-)

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @scotchi said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    To think I almost overlooked it because it sounded like an Indian percussion drum app.

    Fun fact on the name: "sitala" was how my son mispronounced the German / Serbo-Croatian (he speaks both) "gitarre" (guitar), which is what he called all instruments. Totally bummed that Sitala already existed before my younger son made up the word "abami" for all drums. ;-)

    Nice! 😀

  • auxmuxauxmux

    @Samu said:

    @Toastedghost said:

    If you are using AUM that can be achieved. Select multipule outs in Sitala and then in each audio chanel look for Multi-bus audio instances. Each pad then has its own channel and can be treated to effects.

    I know, what I mean is that I don't need 16 individual outputs that I have to re-route/group using the host.
    4-6 busses out from Sitala would be enough for most use-cases :sunglasses:

    Yup agreed with this. A few others including myself have requested this. Here's to hoping.

  • scotchiscotchi
    edited July 2022

    @auxmux said:
    Yup agreed with this. A few others including myself have requested this. Here's to hoping.

    This will almost certainly happen, but it's also almost certainly won't be in the next few releases. Things are always a bit of a juggling act between things we'd like to do and things we have time to do, and I think we got things sketched out today for the next 3-4 months of stuff we're going to try to get done. (Our goal is to do a release once a month or so as we finish off blocks of features with some logical grouping.)

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @auxmux said:

    @Samu said:

    @Toastedghost said:

    If you are using AUM that can be achieved. Select multipule outs in Sitala and then in each audio chanel look for Multi-bus audio instances. Each pad then has its own channel and can be treated to effects.

    I know, what I mean is that I don't need 16 individual outputs that I have to re-route/group using the host.
    4-6 busses out from Sitala would be enough for most use-cases :sunglasses:

    Yup agreed with this. A few others including myself have requested this. Here's to hoping.

    To be fair, that’s a pretty advanced request that other multi out AUv3s don’t do, isn’t it? I just create a bussing template in AUM if I want to group outs.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited July 2022

    Well, finally tried it as an AU in GarageBand on desktop... and it's shockingly easy to use compared to almost all other sample players I've dealt with. Great job by the developer!

    And lacking any sort of actual documentation to go by, I found this helpful: https://chilloutwithbeats.com/en/decomposer-sitala-intro/#toc7

  • auxmuxauxmux

    @gusgranite said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Samu said:

    @Toastedghost said:

    If you are using AUM that can be achieved. Select multipule outs in Sitala and then in each audio chanel look for Multi-bus audio instances. Each pad then has its own channel and can be treated to effects.

    I know, what I mean is that I don't need 16 individual outputs that I have to re-route/group using the host.
    4-6 busses out from Sitala would be enough for most use-cases :sunglasses:

    Yup agreed with this. A few others including myself have requested this. Here's to hoping.

    To be fair, that’s a pretty advanced request that other multi out AUv3s don’t do, isn’t it? I just create a bussing template in AUM if I want to group outs.

    EG Pulse does this, 16 assignable outs. While Drambo has 8 outs, it's possible to choose where to use those.

  • auxmuxauxmux

    @scotchi said:

    @auxmux said:
    Yup agreed with this. A few others including myself have requested this. Here's to hoping.

    This will almost certainly happen, but it's also almost certainly won't be in the next few releases. Things are always a bit of a juggling act between things we'd like to do and things we have time to do, and I think we got things sketched out today for the next 3-4 months of stuff we're going to try to get done. (Our goal is to do a release once a month or so as we finish off blocks of features with some logical grouping.)

    Awesome, thanks for considering and keeping the great updates coming.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @auxmux said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Samu said:

    @Toastedghost said:

    If you are using AUM that can be achieved. Select multipule outs in Sitala and then in each audio chanel look for Multi-bus audio instances. Each pad then has its own channel and can be treated to effects.

    I know, what I mean is that I don't need 16 individual outputs that I have to re-route/group using the host.
    4-6 busses out from Sitala would be enough for most use-cases :sunglasses:

    Yup agreed with this. A few others including myself have requested this. Here's to hoping.

    To be fair, that’s a pretty advanced request that other multi out AUv3s don’t do, isn’t it? I just create a bussing template in AUM if I want to group outs.

    EG Pulse does this, 16 assignable outs. While Drambo has 8 outs, it's possible to choose where to use those.

    Didn’t know that about EG Pulse. Never got on with the UI but going to check it out again. Cheers

  • SamuSamu

    Koala has 8 assignable outputs as well…
    With a total of 64 pads it’s very handy :sunglasses:
    (64 individual outputs would be way too much)

  • LacerateLacerate

    I can’t find any documentation or manual on this….what are the export options? I haven’t got the app so was wondering how easy it is to make a kit in Sitala and then export for use elsewhere

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    Is there a way in Sitala to see just the pads?

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @Samu said:

    @Poppadocrock said:

    Does it access files app or just iCloud. If you have files integration it also provides iCloud, audioshare, external hd/SSD, on device, etc…

    Files.app fully supported but linking files from a File Provider (AudioShare, DropBox etc.) is wonky due to some iOS issues.
    (ie. you can not 'swipe' prev/next sample when the source folder is shared by a File-Provider, but you can still import single samples).

    For me personally this is NOT an issues as >90% of all my samples are stored inside BM3 and the rest in apps that are already visible to Files.app.

    Memory Cards & SSD's should work without any issues and they don't rely on the File-Provider extension...

    Cheers!

    Thanks for that, I plan on trying soon.

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @HotStrange said:
    What’s everyone’s using for sequencing this? I’ve noticed it seems like it has to be mapped to every sequencer I tried which is a bit of a pain so I’m wondering which may be best 🤔

    I’ve used Polybeat has 16 lanes, or 2 instances of Rozeta XOX, Rozeta Rhythm, or octachron which can save midi settings preset.

    I also tried riffer which came out surprisingly well.

    You can use the sequencers in apps like Digistix 1 or 2, Hammerhead, drum computer, pure acid, etc to sequence other apps.

    Xequence Au pads, for pad playing, you can save a midi preset in the app.

    Or I just send midi out from sitala and record what I play in atom 2. Simply connect sitala to atom and you’re good to go.

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @Butterfrog said:
    Hallo Everyone. Longtime lurker, recently signed up.

    Is there any news on the ableton drum convertor? I got a lot of kits that i really want to get into sitala.

    Love the app for what it is, a small sampler with good sound design tools, and hope to see it grow in the future.

    Cheers!

    Welcome.

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