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Sitala (drum sampler) coming to iOS / iPadOS, looking for feedback

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  • @WTK said:
    Hello everyone,

    Does sitala support stereo samples? I haven't found any info about it.

    Yes it does.

  • WTKWTK
    edited September 2022

    @luzifer said:

    @WTK said:
    Hello everyone,

    Does sitala support stereo samples? I haven't found any info about it.

    Yes it does.

    Thank you.

  • @cazel said:
    Sitala Importer just got released

    Sweet!

    You can also use Kit Creator to make Sitala kits: https://hgsounds.com/product/kit-creator-for-mac-and-windows/. And you can also Kit Maker -- https://www.kit-maker.com/ to convert your Maschine samples to ADG, and then use SitalaConverter for those kits.

  • edited September 2022

    You guys were too fast for us. We were still updating our web page. :-)

    Yeah, we decided to release 1.0 of the converter from Ableton Kits at the same time as our latest iOS update. The iOS update has:

    • Cloud Drive support in file browser and sample viewer
    • Sample previews in file browser
    • Ability to remove locations in file browser

    Updated version in the App Store.

    It's mostly a release filling in some of the gaps of previous releases. We've only a couple weeks away from dropping the following release, which will include some interesting new features (specifically for making finger drumming more interesting).

    And yeah, we've deemed the converter ready for prime time (hopefully!). Let us know if you guys run into any issues with it. Sadly the stock Ableton kits use encrypted samples (which our converter detects and reports), but we've tested it on a handful of third-part kits and things seem peachy. It's still slightly rough around the edges, and not the most beautiful interface ever created, but it seems to get the job done. We'll figure out how much to time to spend on refining it based on how much interest there seems to be.

    There's more here.

  • @scotchi said:
    Yeah, we decided to release 1.0 of the converter from Ableton Kits at the same time as our latest iOS update. The iOS update has:

    • Cloud Drive support in file browser and sample viewer

    Thank you for the update and the importer! Any chance to get other cloud storage providers supported besides iCloud? I’m using pCloud but I guess I may be a very minor minority :blush:

  • @yokotate said:
    Thank you for the update and the importer! Any chance to get other cloud storage providers supported besides iCloud? I’m using pCloud but I guess I may be a very minor minority :blush:

    Unfortunately that's an iOS limitation -- we're not able to see into the files from other providers.

  • @scotchi said:

    @yokotate said:
    Thank you for the update and the importer! Any chance to get other cloud storage providers supported besides iCloud? I’m using pCloud but I guess I may be a very minor minority :blush:

    Unfortunately that's an iOS limitation -- we're not able to see into the files from other providers.

    Bummer. Luckily, kits can be picked from pCloud via the open kit menu though. Love that we can pick the vendor name for our kits, that’s a nice touch!

  • @yokotate said:
    Bummer. Luckily, kits can be picked from pCloud via the open kit menu though. Love that we can pick the vendor name for our kits, that’s a nice touch!

    Heh. Actually that was created with the hope that sample pack vendors will convert there already existing Ableton kits to Sitala kits, and we wanted to make it easy for them. But yeah, doing mass conversion or your own downloaded kits also makes sense. :-)

  • @scotchi would it be possible to add a button to randomly select a sample inside a folder, just to have a different starting point.

    Also Swiping is too slow for me when I’m browsing could you add a next sample button too 😅

  • kits from older live versions work perfectly. couldn't process any recent kits @scotchi

  • @scotchi said:
    You guys were too fast for us. We were still updating our web page. :-)

    Yeah, we decided to release 1.0 of the converter from Ableton Kits at the same time as our latest iOS update. The iOS update has:

    • Cloud Drive support in file browser and sample viewer
    • Sample previews in file browser
    • Ability to remove locations in file browser

    Updated version in the App Store.

    It's mostly a release filling in some of the gaps of previous releases. We've only a couple weeks away from dropping the following release, which will include some interesting new features (specifically for making finger drumming more interesting).

    And yeah, we've deemed the converter ready for prime time (hopefully!). Let us know if you guys run into any issues with it. Sadly the stock Ableton kits use encrypted samples (which our converter detects and reports), but we've tested it on a handful of third-part kits and things seem peachy. It's still slightly rough around the edges, and not the most beautiful interface ever created, but it seems to get the job done. We'll figure out how much to time to spend on refining it based on how much interest there seems to be.

    There's more here.

    These 3 features are the ones I’ve been waiting for! Thanks!

    So glad I bought this app.

  • @cazel said:
    kits from older live versions work perfectly. couldn't process any recent kits @scotchi

    Which version worked for you? I have Live 10 or 9 installed on old machines. Might be worth pulling them up to get some kits out.

  • they'r all Live10 @auxmux

  • Thanks, will given that a go.

  • could you also try with Live11 kits @auxmux

    -not sure if the kits Ive tried are from release/beta v-

  • Yeah, I tried with Live 11, didn't work.

  • Yeah, confirmed. Ironically, I'd tried with the factory kits (which works, except the samples are encrypted, so they can't be used), and a bunch of third party kits, and some exported from other tools, but hadn't tried creating a kit directly in Live.

    Doesn't look like it'll be rocket surgery to fix though, so I'll probably have a fix out still tonight.

  • Got the bug fixed. I'll upload new packages hopefully later today. (Just did the macOS build; still need to do the Windows one.)

  • thanks @scotchi keeping an eye on github 👩🏿‍💻

  • @scotchi said:

    @gosnote said:

    For the desktop version I was expecting it to have a 4x4 pad layout which would reflect the layout of a typical pad controller. Maybe there could be user selectable pad layouts? e.g. 1x16 / 8x2 / 4x4?

    A 4x4 layout will be part of the next desktop release. We just implemented it for the iPad release, and the desktop version is based on the same code, so we'll have something similar to the current iPad layout available. (The 1x16 layout is mostly semi-random consequence of @luzifer and I both being MachineDrum users.)

    @scotchi happy with the new update 😊!
    Is a desktop update imminent (with 4x4 layout)?

  • @gosnote said:
    @scotchi happy with the new update 😊!
    Is a desktop update imminent (with 4x4 layout)?

    "Emmanent" would be an overstatement, but yes, it will be part of our next desktop release, which we're tentatively planning to have out before the end of the year.

  • @scotchi said:
    Got the bug fixed. I'll upload new packages hopefully later today. (Just did the macOS build; still need to do the Windows one.)

    And here's the fixed version that works with newer versions of Live:

    https://github.com/decomposer/SitalaConverter/releases/tag/1.0.1

  • @scotchi thanks for the fix! works with Live11 kits -also beta kits-

  • @auxmux said:

    @cazel said:
    Sitala Importer just got released

    Sweet!

    ....And you can also Kit Maker -- https://www.kit-maker.com/ to convert your Maschine samples to ADG, and then use SitalaConverter for those kits.

    Have you gotten this to work? Whenever I try to convert kitmaker created ableton .adg presets I get an instant crash with SitalaImporter 1.01

  • @gregsmith said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @luzifer said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @luzifer said:

    @Poppadocrock said:
    I bought sitala just recently when it went on sale and it’s been great, however the last 2 days, when I browse samples It doesn’t show the audio files inside the folders. Samples that I used to make kits only 3-4 days ago aren’t there when browsing samples. I’ve tried a restart. I’ve tried to add the location again but they are not showing up for some reason. Not in standalone or as an AU in AUM…

    Here’s 2 pics below. One of sitala and one of the files app both of the same folder. They are in the iCloud folder, cause when I go into the files app all 25 kicks in that folder show up. However they do have the “cloud with the down arrow” download button next to them. It Could be user error, but not sure why? I created like 7-8 kits only a few days ago.

    I’m wondering if the iOS 15.6 update did anything, I’m still on iOS 15.5 atm. iPad 6.
    Also I’m wondering if it may have something with my device settings? (ie Optimize Storage or something) any help would be much appreciated. Cheers.


    We are currently working on syncing and browsing iCloud files that aren't saved locally on the device. In fact that feature is already done and will definitely be part of the upcoming release which is scheduled to arrive in two to three weeks. For now unfortunately you need to download the missing files using the Files.app.

    Nice!!! I was hoping you’d do this.

    Are you thinking of supporting browsing by tag as well as folder? I have no idea how straight forward this is to implement but I know lots use tags to organise their samples since samplecrate came out

    We'd love to add support for tags. Unfortunately the way Apple supports directory privileges at the moment doesn't allow using Spotlight APIs. We'll dig a little deeper to see if there is another way before giving up though.

    Ah thanks so much for trying. If you can’t do it I’ll just reorganise my files into folders so no biggie.

    It’s taken me ages to get round to trying this, but I managed to make an iOS shortcut that copies a file and tags it at the same time, so eg. I can move files to a folder called ‘Kicks’ and tag with ‘Kicks’ at the same time. Best of both worlds and can do all this from samplecrate. Copied files don’t take up any more disk space on iOS so I can leave the original version of each file where it is.

    This is then great for Sitala’s amazing file browser. Absolute best thing for me is that all my files are on iCloud, so if I share a song to another device, Sitala finds all the samples instantly and it’s good to go without having to do anything. No transferring presets required or anything like that to keep up with.

    Drambo needs to do this @giku_beepstreet 😉

    Would you mind sharing the shortcut?. I’ve fiddled with Shorcuts but it’d be great to see a working script.

  • @tahiche said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @luzifer said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @luzifer said:

    @Poppadocrock said:
    I bought sitala just recently when it went on sale and it’s been great, however the last 2 days, when I browse samples It doesn’t show the audio files inside the folders. Samples that I used to make kits only 3-4 days ago aren’t there when browsing samples. I’ve tried a restart. I’ve tried to add the location again but they are not showing up for some reason. Not in standalone or as an AU in AUM…

    Here’s 2 pics below. One of sitala and one of the files app both of the same folder. They are in the iCloud folder, cause when I go into the files app all 25 kicks in that folder show up. However they do have the “cloud with the down arrow” download button next to them. It Could be user error, but not sure why? I created like 7-8 kits only a few days ago.

    I’m wondering if the iOS 15.6 update did anything, I’m still on iOS 15.5 atm. iPad 6.
    Also I’m wondering if it may have something with my device settings? (ie Optimize Storage or something) any help would be much appreciated. Cheers.


    We are currently working on syncing and browsing iCloud files that aren't saved locally on the device. In fact that feature is already done and will definitely be part of the upcoming release which is scheduled to arrive in two to three weeks. For now unfortunately you need to download the missing files using the Files.app.

    Nice!!! I was hoping you’d do this.

    Are you thinking of supporting browsing by tag as well as folder? I have no idea how straight forward this is to implement but I know lots use tags to organise their samples since samplecrate came out

    We'd love to add support for tags. Unfortunately the way Apple supports directory privileges at the moment doesn't allow using Spotlight APIs. We'll dig a little deeper to see if there is another way before giving up though.

    Ah thanks so much for trying. If you can’t do it I’ll just reorganise my files into folders so no biggie.

    It’s taken me ages to get round to trying this, but I managed to make an iOS shortcut that copies a file and tags it at the same time, so eg. I can move files to a folder called ‘Kicks’ and tag with ‘Kicks’ at the same time. Best of both worlds and can do all this from samplecrate. Copied files don’t take up any more disk space on iOS so I can leave the original version of each file where it is.

    This is then great for Sitala’s amazing file browser. Absolute best thing for me is that all my files are on iCloud, so if I share a song to another device, Sitala finds all the samples instantly and it’s good to go without having to do anything. No transferring presets required or anything like that to keep up with.

    Drambo needs to do this @giku_beepstreet 😉

    Would you mind sharing the shortcut?. I’ve fiddled with Shorcuts but it’d be great to see a working script.

    Of course.

    Sorry forgot to mention you need the paid version of toolbox pro if you want tagging:

    https://toolboxpro.app/

    This should be the link to the shortcut itself:

    https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/23e42357f8bc4e41b9c38030ce5cb329

  • @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @auxmux said:

    @cazel said:
    Sitala Importer just got released

    Sweet!

    ....And you can also Kit Maker -- https://www.kit-maker.com/ to convert your Maschine samples to ADG, and then use SitalaConverter for those kits.

    Have you gotten this to work? Whenever I try to convert kitmaker created ableton .adg presets I get an instant crash with SitalaImporter 1.01

    Could you attach / link a file that's not working? Also an interesting data point would be if the kit works if you first open it and re-save it in Ableton, and then try SitalaImporter.

    I'm guessing that there's some difference between the info / format that KitMaker saves things in in .adg format, and the way Live itself does things, and we're making some assumption based on the way Live does things.

  • @gregsmith said:

    @tahiche said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @luzifer said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @luzifer said:

    @Poppadocrock said:
    I bought sitala just recently when it went on sale and it’s been great, however the last 2 days, when I browse samples It doesn’t show the audio files inside the folders. Samples that I used to make kits only 3-4 days ago aren’t there when browsing samples. I’ve tried a restart. I’ve tried to add the location again but they are not showing up for some reason. Not in standalone or as an AU in AUM…

    Here’s 2 pics below. One of sitala and one of the files app both of the same folder. They are in the iCloud folder, cause when I go into the files app all 25 kicks in that folder show up. However they do have the “cloud with the down arrow” download button next to them. It Could be user error, but not sure why? I created like 7-8 kits only a few days ago.

    I’m wondering if the iOS 15.6 update did anything, I’m still on iOS 15.5 atm. iPad 6.
    Also I’m wondering if it may have something with my device settings? (ie Optimize Storage or something) any help would be much appreciated. Cheers.


    We are currently working on syncing and browsing iCloud files that aren't saved locally on the device. In fact that feature is already done and will definitely be part of the upcoming release which is scheduled to arrive in two to three weeks. For now unfortunately you need to download the missing files using the Files.app.

    Nice!!! I was hoping you’d do this.

    Are you thinking of supporting browsing by tag as well as folder? I have no idea how straight forward this is to implement but I know lots use tags to organise their samples since samplecrate came out

    We'd love to add support for tags. Unfortunately the way Apple supports directory privileges at the moment doesn't allow using Spotlight APIs. We'll dig a little deeper to see if there is another way before giving up though.

    Ah thanks so much for trying. If you can’t do it I’ll just reorganise my files into folders so no biggie.

    It’s taken me ages to get round to trying this, but I managed to make an iOS shortcut that copies a file and tags it at the same time, so eg. I can move files to a folder called ‘Kicks’ and tag with ‘Kicks’ at the same time. Best of both worlds and can do all this from samplecrate. Copied files don’t take up any more disk space on iOS so I can leave the original version of each file where it is.

    This is then great for Sitala’s amazing file browser. Absolute best thing for me is that all my files are on iCloud, so if I share a song to another device, Sitala finds all the samples instantly and it’s good to go without having to do anything. No transferring presets required or anything like that to keep up with.

    Drambo needs to do this @giku_beepstreet 😉

    Would you mind sharing the shortcut?. I’ve fiddled with Shorcuts but it’d be great to see a working script.

    Of course.

    Sorry forgot to mention you need the paid version of toolbox pro if you want tagging:

    https://toolboxpro.app/

    This should be the link to the shortcut itself:

    https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/23e42357f8bc4e41b9c38030ce5cb329

    Thanks!. Looks interesting.
    Is Toolboxpro worth it?. I can see the use for tagging. Do you know if you can do regex renaming and stuff like that?. I usually do scripts like that on desktop but it’d be handy to use the iPad.

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