Sitala (drum sampler) coming to iOS / iPadOS, looking for feedback

kidslow

I concur.

scotchi

@ipadbeatmaking said:
@scotchi @luzifer would it be possible for y’all to unlock Sitala in the Mac App Store as an iOS download. It would be nice to get the same iOS auv3 version on Mac since the main desktop version is pretty far behind now (in versions). I used to be able to send a iOS project with Sitala to desktop and have it hold the settings (at 1.0) but since the (great) updates I haven’t been able to.

I’m sure y’all are working on the desktop version, but this would allow silicon Mac users to have the project continuity with iOS, iCloud account, etc Thanks.

Unfortunately things don't just always work automagically between the platforms, even if one can run the app. There are quite a few things in our iOS version that assume it's a touch interface, and we'd still have to do our standard regimen of testing (which is about a week of work for us).

But we will have a new desktop version out before long. Our next release will be for the desktop and will based on the same code as the current iOS version.

scotchi

@ipadbeatmaking said:
I used to be able to send a iOS project with Sitala to desktop and have it hold the settings (at 1.0) but since the (great) updates I haven’t been able to.

Actually wanted to cycle back on this -- do you mean a DAW project, or Sitala kits? Moving kits back and forth between the two works fine (just confirmed with Airdrop). If it's in a DAW, which one are you using?

ipadbeatmaking

@scotchi said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:
I used to be able to send a iOS project with Sitala to desktop and have it hold the settings (at 1.0) but since the (great) updates I haven’t been able to.

Actually wanted to cycle back on this -- do you mean a DAW project, or Sitala kits? Moving kits back and forth between the two works fine (just confirmed with Airdrop). If it's in a DAW, which one are you using?

Kits move back n forth with no issues. In fact I did a video showing how to build kits using your converter + kit maker and have since made 1,000s of kits. Tree system/subfolder system please 🙏 for presets/kits would be a everything!!

What I was referring to however was a daw project using Sitala inside of it. I can get it to ‘remember’/save state when going from the lower Sitala version (Mac) to iPad (newer version of Sitala) but not the other way around. But I used to be able to when they were both at version 1.0. The daw I’m using is MTS MultiTrackStudio

Other cross platform DAWs I have available to test are ZenBeats and NTrack also.

ctrl64

Just dropping by to praise and feature request. I'm a happy user of Sitala - it's an elegant and efficient drum sampler. I would be very happy if velocity layers were implemented someday.

cokomairena

@scotchi said:

@cokomairena said:
I can now drag and drop samples directly to the pads! Awesome!

Any chance of having a random button to go to a random sample inside a folder? For me swiping is un usable as it is

Another thing we've talked about but haven't started working on yet: we'd probably do it by having different things you can sort files by (creation date, name, etc.) and having one of those modes be "random".

Hey! any chance of revisiting this idea? a random sort mode would rock!

scotchi

@cokomairena said:

@scotchi said:

@cokomairena said:
I can now drag and drop samples directly to the pads! Awesome!

Any chance of having a random button to go to a random sample inside a folder? For me swiping is un usable as it is

Another thing we've talked about but haven't started working on yet: we'd probably do it by having different things you can sort files by (creation date, name, etc.) and having one of those modes be "random".

Hey! any chance of revisiting this idea? a random sort mode would rock!

At the moment we're focusing on getting a desktop update out the door, mostly that brings a lot of the stuff from the iOS app to the desktop.

bargale

@cokomairena said:

@scotchi said:

@cokomairena said:
I can now drag and drop samples directly to the pads! Awesome!

Any chance of having a random button to go to a random sample inside a folder? For me swiping is un usable as it is

Another thing we've talked about but haven't started working on yet: we'd probably do it by having different things you can sort files by (creation date, name, etc.) and having one of those modes be "random".

Hey! any chance of revisiting this idea? a random sort mode would rock!

+1 on the request, this would make drop any other app for my kits outside of BM3.
If you could also use filtering to randomize by keywords on top of this, it’s even crazier.

cazel

desktop
sitala v2 is out with native silicon support

thanks @scotchi 🙏🏿

Bruques

@scotchi said:
This was one of the first places that we specifically had users asking for Sitala on iOS / iPadOS.

We're getting pretty close to a beta version, which includes a standalone and AudioUnit, so we thought we'd shake the tree here a little bit to see if we could get some feedback on work flows that folks are interested in, features that seem to be missing (particularly those that are iOS / iPadOS-specific), etc.

For a little more background, Sitala is a drum sampler currently for macOS, Windows and Linux that supports loading your own samples / kits, supports multi-out, and comes with a default 808 kit.

We're interested in stuff like if folks are primarily using MIDI controllers to trigger things, how much they do finger drumming vs. sequencing and if folks are doing most of their production directly on an iPad vs. doing hybrid production on their computer and moving bits and pieces over to an iPad (e.g. for use on stage).

Anyway, I'll stop rambling, but looking forward to any feedback folks here have!

As unlikely as it might be, I'd love an MPE drum> @NeuM said:

Looks interesting. I'll be using in GarageBand as an AUv3.

EDIT: Love it! This is exactly what most drum machines need! Total simplicity for the user and an easy-to-understand way for users to modify sounds.

Future releases (I suppose) could look into ways to sequence, adjust swing/human feel, and possibly incorporate MPE for effects or warping sounds or what have you, but this is a very strong first release.

Please god yes can someone give us an MPE drum player. I actually almost only buy MPE instruments, except in the case of drums where there just aren't any (I know, Roli is there, yes I have it, but please god someone other than Roli next)

dermichl

Just bought Sitala and can‘t add it to my Audiobus session - Sitala is not listed under AUv3 - other apps are listed fine. Do I miss something proly obvious?

Samu

@dermichl said:
Just bought Sitala and can‘t add it to my Audiobus session - Sitala is not listed under AUv3 - other apps are listed fine. Do I miss something proly obvious?

Did you try rebooting your device?
I've made a habit of closing all apps before I install new apps to avoid various issues...
...launch the downloaded app at least once, if it doesn't show up after that I usually reboot the device.

scotchi

Please god yes can someone give us an MPE drum player. I actually almost only buy MPE instruments, except in the case of drums where there just aren't any (I know, Roli is there, yes I have it, but please god someone other than Roli next)

As someone pretty uninitiated in MPE -- what would you want that MPE could do for drums (that normal MIDI doesn't do)? I don't even know enough about it to understand the request.

dermichl

@Samu said:

@dermichl said:
Just bought Sitala and can‘t add it to my Audiobus session - Sitala is not listed under AUv3 - other apps are listed fine. Do I miss something proly obvious?

Did you try rebooting your device?
I've made a habit of closing all apps before I install new apps to avoid various issues...
...launch the downloaded app at least once, if it doesn't show up after that I usually reboot the device.

Good call, that did the trick! I tend to forget about rebooting…

HeavyWater

@cazel said:
desktop
sitala v2 is out with native silicon support

thanks @scotchi 🙏🏿

Desktop:
Coupon code IOS&DESKTOP for $5 off new version 2.0. App says for this weekend. Ride the Sitala train.

Bruques

@scotchi said:

Please god yes can someone give us an MPE drum player. I actually almost only buy MPE instruments, except in the case of drums where there just aren't any (I know, Roli is there, yes I have it, but please god someone other than Roli next)

As someone pretty uninitiated in MPE -- what would you want that MPE could do for drums (that normal MIDI doesn't do)? I don't even know enough about it to understand the request.

It's kind of like asking as a non-drummer, why would a drummer want brushes not sticks, or just literally it is asking an MPE player who likes brushes why they don't just use sticks, or why do you want drums if i can give you this one static electronic thing to hit that's basically the same no matter where you hit it, sure you have velocity, and you can program clever things like round robin and randomness, but your own expressivity will not be captured.
As an interface to instruments, I play the Linnstrument, which is MPE, and slowly but surely all my MPE capable synths are allowing me to make wonderful timbrally wide ranging sounds from purposeful subtle difference of finger movement. Perhaps a few seconds of this will make it more obvious to you, or maybe not. If you don't play using an MPE surface I wonder if it can be really obvious vs doing it for yourself and knowing because it was physically real.
Anyway, just notice the timbral differences and the pitch bends
(EDIT: the timestamps are not used with embedded YT videos on this forum? oh well i tried to link the actual time, doesn't seem to work)

Or maybe,
Or /
Or for a few seconds,
With MPE mapping of per note expressions in three additional dimensions beyond Midi 1.0, which adds X (pitch),Y (timbre), Z (poly after touch) on top of which midi note and how hard (velocity), remarkable and extremely fun sounds can be coaxed, the instrument feels like an organic thing, as someone commented watching me recently, it makes it sing. Roli Studio Drums is the only such software that I know of that is MPE, and drums. Though I think maybe the latest 11.3 Ableton added this to a couple of their drum instruments but I haven't tried them since the update so could be wrong. I need to check that.

scotchi

@Bruques said:
As an interface to instruments, I play the Linnstrument, which is MPE, and slowly but surely all my MPE capable synths are allowing me to make wonderful timbrally wide ranging sounds from purposeful subtle difference of finger movement.

Ok, yeah, that all makes sense to me. Most of the work on creating such a system wouldn't be implementing the protocol, but working on all of the logic that'd actually do meaningful things with the data that came across. Sitala doesn't even have velocity layers yet, so it's probably not the best candidate to be an early adopter.

Ailerom

@HeavyWater said:

@cazel said:
desktop
sitala v2 is out with native silicon support

thanks @scotchi 🙏🏿

Desktop:
Coupon code IOS&DESKTOP for $5 off new version 2.0. App says for this weekend. Ride the Sitala train.

Dang, I missed that. Oh well, an extra fiver for Sitala peeps. They've probably earned it.

Bruques

@scotchi said:

@Bruques said:
As an interface to instruments, I play the Linnstrument, which is MPE, and slowly but surely all my MPE capable synths are allowing me to make wonderful timbrally wide ranging sounds from purposeful subtle difference of finger movement.

Ok, yeah, that all makes sense to me. Most of the work on creating such a system wouldn't be implementing the protocol, but working on all of the logic that'd actually do meaningful things with the data that came across. Sitala doesn't even have velocity layers yet, so it's probably not the best candidate to be an early adopter.

Gotcha, makes sense, maybe one day, i think i was more expressing how much i appreciated the initial suggestion which wasn't mine rather than thinking that it was going to be likely here, but thank you for taking the time to discuss/consider!