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Auv3 is the best but have some issue : it’s impossible for an Auv3 plugin ti hold auv3 plugin.
It means that if Zenbeats ill only used its own plugin no more Auv3.
Totally different situations, subscriptions with apps means that the day you won’t be able to pay you lost access to your own creations. that’s not fair.
Why pay continuously and not just updates or in app purchase for each new enhancement?
Yeah, I don’t think a daw like ZB makes sense as auv3. I think what they’re referring to when they mention IAA or Audiobus is for a way to get Zenbeats to integrate with other apps. For example, you can record the output of AUM into Cubasis or Auria bu5 there’s no way to integrate Zenbeats. For some people this is a must. Cases where you might start noodling in AUM and want to take it to a daw for mixing, arranging, etc,..
Spe> @Jeezs said:
I agree one's own creation should not be tied to a subscription. That's why we have very flexible exporting options. If at any point in time you want to cancel your service, just freeze your tracks or render stems. Doing that or having some type of Backup methodology is important regardless.
I agree your solution is flexible and fair.
We need the ability to load koala as an instrument or something like that so we can record audio into koala and edit the audio. The lack of audio editing is a bit basic.
I've always wanted IAA to be supported as well as AUM.
Koala works fine as an AUv3 in Zenbeats.
Ah ok. A rescan found it.
Can zenbeats record audio into koala directly in the loop page?
Question for the thread: my audio interface (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 gen 1) takes a long time to initialize on ZB (and other apps) so I’m thinking of replacing it. What interfaces are y’all using and do they get along well with Zenbeats?
Hi,
I’ve posted these questions a few times in in other threads but haven’t been able to find out yet….
Before I invest time into learning it can anyone tell me if ZB3 is a viable alternative to Cubasis?
Basically does it allow
1) flexible use of midi effects (and recording the midi output of said effects - which Cubasis does) ,
2) AUv3 parameter automation and editing such as manual filter sweeps etc (which Cubasis doesn’t unless the AUv3 already has built in midi-learn) and handle IAA (including recording the midi output like from generative sequencers etc)?
3) have a normal timeline so you can edit performances (if it’s clip based) and/or build up songs piano roll style?
Is it missing any other totally normal, expected DAW functionality (like mix busses)?
I’m not sure what you mean by flexible, but yes, you can use them and you can record the midi output. Notes only though, not MIDI CCs.
You can:
You can’t:
Yes.
It doesn’t have mix busses. It does have sends and “group tracks” which are essentially mix busses I guess.
TBH, I’m not real confident answering that last one, not having messed around with the new group tracks yet. Someone else will chime in to correct the record if needed, I’m sure.
Thanks @wim. Really appreciate it.
By “flexible” I basically just meant without any major limitation. Weird choice of words on my part.
In terms of the functions I asked about it sounds like a lateral move from Cubasis.
In your opinion, are there any particular features aside from their sounds and IAPs and such that make it especially attractive to most people who use it or is it mainly just down to personal comfort/preference?
I’ve used both extensively. I prefer Zenbeats. It needs work on some things like audio editing although that’s not too bad. I can get things done with it. Drum machine is better than anything in CB. Built-in synths are better than anything in CB. Handles AU synths pretty well. I strictly work linear so I can’t speak to the loop mode. MIDI editing is better.
I suggest checking into Roland Cloud Academy for Zenbeats where you interact directly with people like @MatthewAtZenbeats. I found it very helpful.
https://www.roland.com/us/roland_cloud_academy/zenbeats/
This all, of course, is IMHO based on my experiences and way of working. YMMV but I think it’s well worth learning.
PS - I see that there are no intro courses for ZB scheduled at this time. Go ahead and take an advanced one. You’ll still learn a lot. I took both more than once and learned a lot every time.
Zenbeats has more flexibility in the workflow. It's supposed to be a creative tool for capturing ideas as well as a DAW for finishing them.
Whereas Cubasis is a traditional track timeline and mixer, Zenbeats also has a prominent Ableton-like LoopBuilder flow.
Zenbeats is definitely fresher than Cubasis and evolving faster.
There is definitely one major limitation - no midi CC output from AUv3 plugins. It’s notes only. Everything else is ignored.
Kind of. Cubasis is more advanced in some ways that to me make it a more capable “traditional” DAW. Zenbeats is way more fun and flexible but can still get the basic DAW shit done.
For me the combination of clip/looping and timeline based workflow puts it over the top. When I’m goofing around trying different combinations of patterns, and quickly generating ideas, nothing beats the clip based workflow. But then it has the timeline to encourage developing jams worth keeping into arrangements.
TBH, I don’t make use of the built-in instruments other than the drum kits and an occasional ZC-1 patch. Mostly I use it with AUv3’s and live input.
@mjm1138 My main interface is a MOTU M4. I also use an Apogee jam+ in a different room for electric guitar. Both work flawlessly with Zenbeats. IMO, the MOTU M2/M4 are the best of the modestly priced interfaces. The M4 replaced a Focusrite Clarett, which costs twice as much.
I’ve also had an Audient Evo and an id4 which worked well with Zenbeats but I didn’t care for aspects of their designs.
I alway found the sound quality of Zenbeats lower than other apps.
I’ve set up a simple beat with an AUV3 plugin and loop.
Here is the result’ for me aUM and Loopy are on the same league but with Zenbeats there’s clearly something going wrong.
let me know what you think
Here here the video :
Yes
Yes
Yes
We have group tracks but are missing features like inter-track audio routing and sidechaining.
There's a volume difference between Zenbeats and other the apps in your video. Zenbeats is volume is set to -6db. This is our default volume setting for new tracks to give users more headroom in mixing. Try setting it to 0db and see if you can hear a difference. If you can, it would be helpful to do mixdown renders from each app and share it with me for comparison.
You’re right I’ve made a mistake now the volume is to zero there’s less difference but the dynamic is not the same as the one in loopy and AUM.
Here is a new video with volume set a zero DB.
I'm just curious, do you have the 'Force 44.1k' (audio Settings) enabled in ZenBeats?
That can potentially degrade audio-quality on devices that have 48k native sample-rate.
No here are the settings:
I use an Arturia Minifuse 2 with no issues so far with Zenbeats.
/DMfan🖤💔
In my experience apps will export at different levels more often than you might expect. For instance I exported a loop directly from Pure Acid, from PA in ZB and also recorded the same loop with AUM. The level of each wav was different and was easy to see when comparing the waveforms visually in AudioShare. When normalized there was no significant difference.
Sidechaining, that was it, I knew there was another 'showstopper' that forced me back to Cubasis. I use sidechaining on almost all tracks in one way or another, including using it to trigger the dynamic EQ features of FabFilter Pro-Q3. Is Sidechaining on the roadmap at all?
Yes it could be the source of the difference, but I suspect Some daw use a 16 bit for internal mixing while Other use 32 or higher.
Anyway I will export a beat and normalize it to see if there’s any difference or not.
Thanks answeing @MatthewAtZenbeats. Appreciate it.
This reminds me of all the “sound engine” and “the Reason sound” debates from a decade or so ago.
Yeah this was a raging debate with Ableton for years.
I'm liking the new ZR1 Drum Sampler. The drum patterns are OK but at the moment I prefer to add DrumComputer as a MIDI Effect because its auto fills keep the rhythm fresh.
I have a Zenbeats MIDI map (36-43) saved in DrumComputer.