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well at least there is still major bug in audio tracks and sampler where if you load sample with sharp transient, they apply relatively long fade in on every sample (not possible to turn off) which kills transient of that sample .. i reported this bug maybe year ago.. massive problem on kick drums …
try it for yourself, try load some sharp kick with significant “tick” transient on beginning inyo ZB and into Cubasis for example and hit play - in ZB it sounds like “lowpass filtered” simply because ZB auto fade on sample kills part of that transient.
Honestly I am shocked that this is not reported by literally everybody all the time. Do you fuys even use any percussive sounds in your music or
you don’t care it all sounds like lowpass filtered ? 🤣
It’s not even an issue of the volume for me which reportedly has been remedied by the new versions of Zenology . It’s just the sound quality in general. Doesn’t sound “Pro” to me comparitivly speaking in the way that say Gadget does
So ... have you been talking about Zenology or Zenbeats? The thread is about Zenbeats. I know you said "both", but do you even use Zenbeats? I'm still rather confused by your posts.
Oh well, no matter. I have no dogs in this hunt. I think I'm just being annoying at this point. I'm done.
I was thinking the same recently too. I really enjoyed Stagelight on my old Samsung (Windows 8!! 🙃) tablet, so I tried the iPad ZB a couple of years ago and my ~2hr experience involved UI issues on my 12.9 screen (which I knew about going in, tbf, they were working on fixes, but some buttons were totally unresponsive) and 2 crashes that lost the tester projects I'd started. Not cooked yet, I concluded.
But I know they've done a lot since then, even if the pace of updates has slowed. I love the UI, session + timeline options, and the minimalist built in synths were great fun back in the Stagelight days.
Who'd be a dev, eh?!
Even at places like Roland and Korg, the dev teams working on mobile are very small, their priorities come from managerial layers above and they simply can't put the time in they'd want.
These firms will always see mobile as a gateway to bring users toward their hardware/desktop DAWs, so an all-in-one 'solution' isn't in their interests, really.
The same will be true of Steinberg, it's amazing how much Cubasis has been fleshed out.
I get the impression the devs are almost always deeply passionate about what they do, and music in general. They'd probably be working in more lucrative areas of software if they weren't.
And that's if the unfolding developer job-market apocalypse hasn't whittled the team down to an intern and the office cactus.
Great to hear you like Zenbeats man! I do too!
I use it on all my projects. Just last night I tracked vocals for practice and used the stock audio effects with very good results. My voice still sounds like crap, but processed I can live with it🤣.
Back to the app. Today, it is a fully functional DAW for basic recording. I know, because I use it. Everything I have put up on my little alter ego YT channel Flatland Circuitry is made with Zenbeats as the canvas. Yes. some have feedback on and rightfully so, issues with lack of some functions that are crucial to just their workflow. Yes, there are a few bugs, not many left, but knowing them and how to deal with them is no showstopper for recording neither in loop or timeline view, AUv3 or audio tracks. Scaling AUv3s as we wait for pinch and zoom is easy, just drop a line to support (or here). But if they don’t know of an issue, how can they fix it?
Every single piece of feedback from all of you here in the LPF has reached Roland for a long time and is in the backlog. Some of us have actively relayed support issues through other channels, and many issues have been picked up here in threads directly by Roland. The app is thanks in part to this community, a very good starting point for music recording on iOS and grows on you but of course it can be developed further, that is what the backlog is for.
If you ”click” with an app or not is always an issue and it’s just how it is. Some like an app some don’t be it the UI or whatever. I have other DAWs as well, but I click best with Zenbeats. That does not mean apps like Loopy Pro is useless, Cubasis is crap and Logic Pro is trash, far from it. They are all very good apps and serves their purpose for many.
Only Roland knows the future for Zenbeats, but there is a solid will to move forward, trust me on that one. But, being a major corporation stuff takes time, just like for any major corporation dealing with whatever. There are levels of decision making, business cases, budgets, resource allocation, software development you name it, and every single little change has to be adapted and work for both Android, iOS, PC and Mac. We are not talking an indie developer here that works 24/7, releasing update after update doing all-nighters alone with huge amounts of coffee.
We are spoiled with and should be eternally grateful for all these individual indie developers and their hard work for pennies, none mentioned and none forgotten, that bring us all these apps and updates. But doing the same in the framework of an international corporation, is a whole different ballpark driven by other factors.
Please, keep on feedbacking Zenbeats! I know it is much appreciated but be patient, stuff takes time. OK?
Happy music making!🎶🎹🙌
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Well said! Often, it’s the community around the app that gets it moved forward with communication, testing, feedback, etc.
(@DMfan, just to clarify, I haven’t tried it out in a couple of years, but I’m planning to. I might be back on here ranting about it next week 🤣)
Rant on!
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Hey Everyone,
I love when this thread get revived :-)
I know it's been a long while since any major updates, but we do have stuff in the works. I don't have any news I can share **at this time... ** but will post here when I do.
Couple of thoughts and questions below
I'd love to hear some concrete examples of this. The engine should be transparent from a mixing standpoint unless there are effects being used that do not sync properly.
Same for ZENOLOGY GX. Aside from the initial release which had an output volume difference (fixed in 1.9.2), the engine is the exact same one that is in our flagship Zenology Pro plugin on MacOS and Windows.
Sorry for the crickets here. We'll get this looked at for the next release.
Much appreciated @MatthewAtZenbeats - happy to send videos of the issue if required.
I'd like a complete UI overhaul. The current UI keeps getting in my way, unlike Cubasis UI, for example.
Please don't take this wrong, but what's the point then? Why not just use Cubasis? Or, to put it more positively, what is there about Zenbeats that you would want to see preserved - that make it worthwhile bothering with, and what parts "get in the way" that could be changed, while preserving what you do like (if anything).
@zzrwood Now this is constructive feedback even offering to help. Entries like this leads to developers wanting to do their absolute best, and spreads a positive tone to us all. Thank you!🙏
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Genuine question. I prefer Zenbeats because for the ways it's not like Cubasis. So I'm interested in what kind of hybrid would be better than both.
I'll have to revisit Zenbeats, haven't used it in a few months, to have a better list of things I think could be improved. Overall - yes, Cubasis is good as well, but the way it handles automation is not very compatible with my approach (plus it's buggy), while Zenbeats is great in that regard.
@MatthewAtZenbeats : Just the sound packs in general. Maybe it’s just me, I dunno. Actually I’ve seen similar comments from others but the majority of people it seems have no such complaints. Sound is subjective, of course .. I’ve always been fond of Roland’s sounds otherwise , I’m looking forward to the final version of Zenology to see what you guys come up with.
@MatthewAtZenbeats : is there any news regarding a new major version?
One thing for sure..
@MatthewAtZenbeats has been keeping a low profile as of late, but when he’s on, he’s ON! Probably the most visible and active Tech guy from any company on this forum..
2.I exported a song from Band in a Box. It created several audio tracks as m4a, and a multi-track midi track. I could not get any of these to import into Zenbeats, unless I did a conversion to another file type. In Logic, no problem, easily imported everything.
Take a look at Loopy Pro and how you can have a full screen AUV3 window, resize, move around and have multiple windows open at once. This is the Gold Standard. @MatthewAtZenbeats - make best friends with Micheal at Loopy Pro and pick his brain.
Slowest DAW of any too load
All good requests! Thanks!
No news I can share yet, but we have been busy. Thanks for all the feedback and support!
You can actually do this in Loop View, different loops can have different tempos.
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@MatthewAtZenbeats :If whatever you’re working on incorporates the new Roland “Melody Flip” THAT could be DANGEROUS lol. Seriously impressed with that!
Okay, so here I am, trying to bring a loose recording closer to the grid. The workflow in Cubasis is tedious and quite buggy. However, either I don't see something obvious, or it's even harder to do here.
All I want is to be able to stretch the short clip on the left to make it snap to the grid. I don't seem to be able to just drag and stretch it; instead, I have to change its length to match the grid, and then try to guess how much should i adjust the BPM, which is only possible by typing (no dragging), and to do so, i have to turn off the pencil, because otherwise the keyboard won't show up. I might be missing something, or it may be a preference thing that i just don't get, but it seems to be a good example of the case when the function is there, it works without issues, but its interface gets in the way.
You stretch the loop so it fits. Then you see the buttons to the lower left: time stretch and auto bpm. Try out those and pick what sounds best to you. That should do the trick, and your loop will fit soundwise.
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