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  • mjm1138mjm1138

    @Schmotown said:

    @mjm1138 said:
    Question for the thread: my audio interface (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 gen 1) takes a long time to initialize on ZB (and other apps) so I’m thinking of replacing it. What interfaces are y’all using and do they get along well with Zenbeats?

    @mjm1138 My main interface is a MOTU M4. I also use an Apogee jam+ in a different room for electric guitar. Both work flawlessly with Zenbeats. IMO, the MOTU M2/M4 are the best of the modestly priced interfaces. The M4 replaced a Focusrite Clarett, which costs twice as much.

    I’ve also had an Audient Evo and an id4 which worked well with Zenbeats but I didn’t care for aspects of their designs.

    Thanks! M4 Is definitely on my short list, along with the Steinberg UR44C and a couple others. I’m drawn to the compact size and the on-device metering of the M4 (and MOTU’s reputation). The Audient Evo seems like a near miss from the comments I’ve read. The Roland Rubix 44 is intriguing but too big for my desk I think. So many choices these days!

    @DMfan said:

    I use an Arturia Minifuse 2 with no issues so far with Zenbeats.

    /DMfan🖤💔

    Thanks! Those are nifty looking interfaces. It’s not clear from the Googling I’ve done: Can you use loopback mode on that interface with an iPad?

  • DMfanDMfan

    @mjm1138 said:
    Thanks! Those are nifty looking interfaces. It’s not clear from the Googling I’ve done: Can you use loopback mode on that interface with an iPad?

    Will check. Promised @Samu the same a while ago in another thread, but I haven’t taken the time to do it since I never use loopback. Channel 3&4 are shown in Zenbeats but there is no way to control the volume though, since the Arturia app is desktop only.

    /DMfan🖤💔

  • DMfanDMfan
    edited June 2022

    post deleted

    /DMfan🖤💔

  • SamuSamu

    @DMfan said:

    @mjm1138 said:
    Thanks! Those are nifty looking interfaces. It’s not clear from the Googling I’ve done: Can you use loopback mode on that interface with an iPad?

    Will check. Promised @Samu the same a while ago in another thread, but I haven’t taken the time to do it since I never use loopback. Channel 3&4 are shown in Zenbeats but there is no way to control the volume though, since the Arturia app is desktop only.

    /DMfan🖤💔

    It’s the same with my Audient ID4mk2. I can see the loopback channels but since their level is set at infinity by default and there’s no iOS app available it’s a no-go. I’ve yet to write Audient asking for an iOS app but will likely do so some day 😎

  • DMfanDMfan
    edited June 2022

    MIDI learn issues (latest versions of everything from iPadOS to firmware, iPad Air 4 with plenty of memory)

    Still having issues with MIDI learn using external controller, in this case the Novation Launchkey mk3. Been using the iPad only for quite some time now, and wanted to test this part in ZB3.

    When I try to assign control through the parameters page it only works from time to time with AUv3s. Most recently I managed to get control over the cutoff of Model D but turning the pot made the buffer hit 100% immediately and crackling started. Also when assigning, the orange line/meter in parameters didn’t respond smoothly to me turning the pot, it jumped back and forth never reaching its ends. The pot itself in the GUI of Model D though responded smoothly but…crackling as stated. Raising the buffer size made no difference. All my AUv3s works smooth and fine with my Launchkey when connected in standalone/directly.

    External control of ZC1 is impossible it seems, although the CC number gets assigned nothing happens when turning the pot for both cutoff and resonance.

    I can however control the mixer volume with the Launchkey faders without difficulty so the MIDI learn feature in ZB seems flaky, or am I doing something wrong?

    @MatthewAtZenbeats

    /DM🖤💔

  • JeezsJeezs

    @BirbHope said:

    @Jeezs said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @Jeezs said:
    I alway found the sound quality of Zenbeats lower than other apps.
    I’ve set up a simple beat with an AUV3 plugin and loop.
    Here is the result’ for me aUM and Loopy are on the same league but with Zenbeats there’s clearly something going wrong.

    let me know what you think
    Here here the video :

    There's a volume difference between Zenbeats and other the apps in your video. Zenbeats is volume is set to -6db. This is our default volume setting for new tracks to give users more headroom in mixing. Try setting it to 0db and see if you can hear a difference. If you can, it would be helpful to do mixdown renders from each app and share it with me for comparison.

    You’re right I’ve made a mistake now the volume is to zero there’s less difference but the dynamic is not the same as the one in loopy and AUM.
    Here is a new video with volume set a zero DB.

    This reminds me of all the “sound engine” and “the Reason sound” debates from a decade or so ago.

    Here is an output mix of the same beat ( 1 plugin and 1 loop) in three different app and normalise.
    The mix is clearly different, the best sounding is a matter of test.
    But I still don’t understand why after normalise there’s still so much difference.

  • ipadbeatmakingipadbeatmaking

    @MatthewAtZenbeats are the elements of this panel not midi learnable? I used midi learn but I’m not able to use them with a midi controllers knobs. Also DRC and Synthmaster 2 preset menu still are freezing zenbeats in the latest update, as well as the scale lock option menu still disappearing behind the UI. Thanks

  • MatthewAtZenbeatsMatthewAtZenbeats

    @DMfan said:
    MIDI learn issues (latest versions of everything from iPadOS to firmware, iPad Air 4 with plenty of memory)

    Still having issues with MIDI learn using external controller, in this case the Novation Launchkey mk3. Been using the iPad only for quite some time now, and wanted to test this part in ZB3.

    When I try to assign control through the parameters page it only works from time to time with AUv3s. Most recently I managed to get control over the cutoff of Model D but turning the pot made the buffer hit 100% immediately and crackling started. Also when assigning, the orange line/meter in parameters didn’t respond smoothly to me turning the pot, it jumped back and forth never reaching its ends. The pot itself in the GUI of Model D though responded smoothly but…crackling as stated. Raising the buffer size made no difference. All my AUv3s works smooth and fine with my Launchkey when connected in standalone/directly.

    External control of ZC1 is impossible it seems, although the CC number gets assigned nothing happens when turning the pot for both cutoff and resonance.

    I can however control the mixer volume with the Launchkey faders without difficulty so the MIDI learn feature in ZB seems flaky, or am I doing something wrong?

    @MatthewAtZenbeats

    /DM🖤💔

    We're working on this issue now. I'll post more info when I can.

  • DMfanDMfan

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:
    We're working on this issue now. I'll post more info when I can.

    Great, thanks! Let us know if we can help out in any way!

    /DMfan🖤💔

  • SchmotownSchmotown

    Loaded as a plugin, Imaginando’s VS - Visual Synthesizer is causing Zenbeats to freeze. VS is pretty popular so I’m hoping another ZB3 user could confirm the bug before I report it. Thanks.

  • DMfanDMfan
    edited June 2022

    @CapnWillie said:
    For the love of all things holy can we get the AU/Plugin window to scroll properly?😩. Currently, trying to scroll selects the first plugin you touch. Trying to slide the sidebar is clumsy. I know the Ui must consider mouse import for desktop but touch navigation needs serious love in a few areas.

    If I press the name of the AU and hold it I can slide up and down without any issues here, and I press the AU symbol to the left to select it. Pressing to the right selects it as a favorite to be able to find it easily later. Doesn’t that work?

    /DMfan🖤💔

  • SchmotownSchmotown

    @CapnWillie said:

    @Schmotown said:
    Loaded as a plugin, Imaginando’s VS - Visual Synthesizer is causing Zenbeats to freeze. VS is pretty popular so I’m hoping another ZB3 user could confirm the bug before I report it. Thanks.

    It doesn’t cause ZB to freeze for me. VS loads up but just won’t work. The UI is unresponsive. ZB functions normally with the plugin window closed on new and existing projects.

    iPad Pro 11” 512g on latest IPad OS.

    Thanks @CapnWillie. I should have been clearer. Sometimes I see the behavior you describe but I’ve also had ZB3 get “stuck” when launching the VS plugin.

  • DMfanDMfan

    @CapnWillie said:

    How refreshing and exciting! New app behavior every time😁!

    /DMfan🖤💔

  • ecamburnecamburn

    Tapping on Sitala’s pads does not result in recorded midi notes in ZB but it does in Cubasis. What am I missing?

  • ecamburnecamburn
    edited June 2022

    Strange as it seems I tried loading Sitala into a midi effect slot triggering Sitala. 🙂 No love that way either.

  • wimwim
    edited June 2022

    @ecamburn said:
    Tapping on Sitala’s pads does not result in recorded midi notes in ZB but it does in Cubasis. What am I missing?

    Is "Pre MIDI FX" turned off under the MIDI Settings? It needs to be.

  • ecamburnecamburn
    edited June 2022

    Thanks @wim. That works though it’s not a super smooth workflow IMO. Here’s the specifics in case this helps anyone else. I use Sitala as an example but assume this works for any app with keys/pads on its gui that is exposed as a midi effect in ZB

    *Insert Sitala as instrument
    *Insert Sitala as midi effect on that channel (long press purple app button on plugin page)
    *Turn Pre Midi FX off under the channel’s midi settings.

    Like I say gui clicks are recorded as midi by default in Cubasis.

  • anicktanickt

    @ecamburn said:

    @CapnWillie said:

    @DMfan said:

    @CapnWillie said:

    How refreshing and exciting! New app behavior every time😁!

    /DMfan🖤💔

    🤣. Keeps me on my toes. Still, pretty good considering still close to launch of a major version upgrade. So far been fun exploring the changes and relearning the basics that made me dig ZB from the start.

    Strange as it seems I tried loading Sitala into a midi effect slot triggering Sitala. 🙂 No love that way either.

    Did you disable Pre-MIDI FX in the MIDI menu?

  • MatthewAtZenbeatsMatthewAtZenbeats

    @ecamburn said:
    Tapping on Sitala’s pads does not result in recorded midi notes in ZB but it does in Cubasis. What am I missing?

    Sending MIDI from virtual instrument GUI is in a feature request backlog.

  • ipadbeatmakingipadbeatmaking
    edited June 2022

    So 3.0.7 is out but theres no mention of whats changed/fixed etc. I also checked on Roland website and I’m not seeing the changes. @MatthewAtZenbeats whats new? Also can ya’ll start placing the patch info on the update info itself so we can see the changes from the app store?

  • ipadbeatmakingipadbeatmaking

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats are the elements of this panel not midi learnable? I used midi learn but I’m not able to use them with a midi controllers knobs. Also DRC and Synthmaster 2 preset menu still are freezing zenbeats in the latest update, as well as the scale lock option menu still disappearing behind the UI. Thanks

    I never received an answer to any of this so I’m circling back around. Is there something I need to do specifically to make these controls work with knobs? Thx

  • anicktanickt

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats are the elements of this panel not midi learnable? I used midi learn but I’m not able to use them with a midi controllers knobs. Also DRC and Synthmaster 2 preset menu still are freezing zenbeats in the latest update, as well as the scale lock option menu still disappearing behind the UI. Thanks

    I never received an answer to any of this so I’m circling back around. Is there something I need to do specifically to make these controls work with knobs? Thx

    Best way to get an answer is to contact support through the app.

  • DMfanDMfan

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats are the elements of this panel not midi learnable? I used midi learn but I’m not able to use them with a midi controllers knobs. Also DRC and Synthmaster 2 preset menu still are freezing zenbeats in the latest update, as well as the scale lock option menu still disappearing behind the UI. Thanks

    I never received an answer to any of this so I’m circling back around. Is there something I need to do specifically to make these controls work with knobs? Thx

    Dev is on the MIDI learn issue and use of external hardware, @MatthewAtZenbeats stated in an earlier post on June 20 that he will share more info when he can. I am confident it is being worked on!

    /DMfan🖤💔

  • MatthewAtZenbeatsMatthewAtZenbeats
    edited June 2022

    Hey Guys,

    Sorry I didn't get a chance to post here earlier. We are releasing 3.0.7 today with numerous fixes and enhancements on all platforms. While there is far too much include on any of the app store release note section, here's the list of things fixed or improved upon in 3.0.7:

    TLDR Highlights:

    • Numerous improvements in AUV3 plugin handling with loading, preset and parameter view editing. Still more work to do here but things should be much better overall
    • PreRoll now gives you a visual countdown and captures MIDI notes played within a beat early (no more missed notes if played early).
    • Added Multi-select tool in Timeline View
    • Fixed several track freeze issues (also involving AUV3 plugins)
    • Large song loading improvements
    • Massive Android performance improvements

  • SamuSamu

    Now that I've got a bit faster iPad (11" M1 iPadPro) I decided to re-install Zen-Beats and got the V3 Unlock...
    ...the added ZC-1 drums alone are worth the V3 unlock-price, well dene! @MatthewAtZenbeats

    An AUv3 'Plug-In' of the ZC-1 for iOS/iPadOS would be a nice 'bonus' as...
    ...Roland practically killed the iOS Sound Canvas so something to replace it would be nice, like a multi-timbral iZC-1 AUv3?

    Cheers!

  • MatthewAtZenbeatsMatthewAtZenbeats

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats are the elements of this panel not midi learnable? I used midi learn but I’m not able to use them with a midi controllers knobs. Also DRC and Synthmaster 2 preset menu still are freezing zenbeats in the latest update, as well as the scale lock option menu still disappearing behind the UI. Thanks

    I never received an answer to any of this so I’m circling back around. Is there something I need to do specifically to make these controls work with knobs? Thx

    Try Synthmaster 2 in version 3.0.7 and see if you still have issues. We're still looking at DRC issues as we have found several bugs while using it. The scale lock bug you reported is on our patch list as well, but there are higher priority items to sort out first.

    I missed the issue with MIDI learning the MIDI inspector controls. Will log that now. Thanks!

  • MatthewAtZenbeatsMatthewAtZenbeats

    @Samu said:
    Now that I've got a bit faster iPad (11" M1 iPadPro) I decided to re-install Zen-Beats and got the V3 Unlock...
    ...the added ZC-1 drums alone are worth the V3 unlock-price, well dene! @MatthewAtZenbeats

    An AUv3 'Plug-In' of the ZC-1 for iOS/iPadOS would be a nice 'bonus' as...
    ...Roland practically killed the iOS Sound Canvas so something to replace it would be nice, like a multi-timbral iZC-1 AUv3?

    Cheers!

    Thanks for checking it out again and for the thoughtful suggestions. Have fun!

  • tahichetahiche

    I just downloaded the new update since it mentioned some pattern envelope improvements but I still have the same issue…
    The looping in the audio editor doesn’t seem to be consistent. Specially with time stretched files I believe the wave form isn’t updated. The looping points do not reflect what it’s played as the waveform playhead advances. It’s basically impossible to loop anything that has been tempo stretched.

  • MatthewAtZenbeatsMatthewAtZenbeats

    @CapnWillie said:

    @CapnWillie said:
    KQ Sampei auv3 cannot reload once a project is closed in Z3 @MatthewAtZenbeats

    KQ Sampei auV3 doesn’t load up at all now in the latest update.

    That sounds similar to how DRC is working. HAlf works on first load, but all subsequent loads fails and make the app unstable. As I mentioned before, we're still working on AUV3 specific issues. I'll add KQ Sampei to the list. Stay tuned.

  • SamuSamu
    edited June 2022

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @CapnWillie said:

    @CapnWillie said:
    KQ Sampei auv3 cannot reload once a project is closed in Z3 @MatthewAtZenbeats

    KQ Sampei auV3 doesn’t load up at all now in the latest update.

    That sounds similar to how DRC is working. HAlf works on first load, but all subsequent loads fails and make the app unstable. As I mentioned before, we're still working on AUV3 specific issues. I'll add KQ Sampei to the list. Stay tuned.

    What exactly does the Plug-In scan/validation do?

    For me ZenBeats 'hangs' (With Automatic Resampling turned off) validating BLEASS Dragon Fly (AU).
    That Plug-In works in all other apps without any issues?!

    With Auto Resampling enabled all plug-ins validates properly.

    Added, With both 'Auto Resampling' and 'Force 44k' disabled all plug-ins validate perfectly :sunglasses:

    So Force 44k turned on and Auto Resampling turned off things can get shaky.
    (M1 iPadPro has 48k native sample-rate).

    Cheers!

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