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Zenbeats Version 3

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  • wimwim
    edited June 2022

    Hi @MatthewAtZenbeats -
    ZB3 is sending midi clock even if disabled in the midi out settings. It’s sending all the time whether the transport is running or not. I set up Streambyter standalone to monitor. As soon as I set ZB to output midi to Streambyter, clock messages start flooding in. Disabling clock send to Streambyter does nothing.

  • @wim said:
    Hi @MatthewAtZenbeats -
    ZB3 is sending midi clock even if disabled in the midi out settings. It’s sending all the time whether the transport is running or not. I set up Streambyter standalone to monitor. As soon as I set ZB to output midi to Streambyter, clock messages start flooding in. Disabling clock send to Streambyter does nothing.

    Also, midi AUv3 plugins can send notes, but no other messages such as midi CCs are sent out. I first verified this with Streambyter standalone. Then I placed Streambyter AUv3 after various Midi AU plugins. Notes could be monitored CC, PC, etc could not.

  • edited June 2022

    @MatthewAtZenbeats the app crashes at startup of zc1 on my iPhone 6...
    The previous version was perfectly working. I guess it's a "ram" issue. Did you tested with 1Gb devices? In case is it possible to downgrade to version 2 for ios 12 users so that we could still use it (having purchased it) .
    Thanks and best regards.

  • @wim said:

    @wim said:
    Hi @MatthewAtZenbeats -
    ZB3 is sending midi clock even if disabled in the midi out settings. It’s sending all the time whether the transport is running or not. I set up Streambyter standalone to monitor. As soon as I set ZB to output midi to Streambyter, clock messages start flooding in. Disabling clock send to Streambyter does nothing.

    Also, midi AUv3 plugins can send notes, but no other messages such as midi CCs are sent out. I first verified this with Streambyter standalone. Then I placed Streambyter AUv3 after various Midi AU plugins. Notes could be monitored CC, PC, etc could not.

    I believe this has always been the case, not a v3 issue. A midi track won’t send anything but notes to either another track or to midi out.

  • edited June 2022

    @tahiche said:

    @wim said:

    @wim said:
    Hi @MatthewAtZenbeats -
    ZB3 is sending midi clock even if disabled in the midi out settings. It’s sending all the time whether the transport is running or not. I set up Streambyter standalone to monitor. As soon as I set ZB to output midi to Streambyter, clock messages start flooding in. Disabling clock send to Streambyter does nothing.

    Also, midi AUv3 plugins can send notes, but no other messages such as midi CCs are sent out. I first verified this with Streambyter standalone. Then I placed Streambyter AUv3 after various Midi AU plugins. Notes could be monitored CC, PC, etc could not.

    I believe this has always been the case, not a v3 issue. A midi track won’t send anything but notes to either another track or to midi out.

    there is an option to uncheck "block raw CC" for the receiver track (haven't tried it yet) , but I guess it won't help for midi out

  • @Identor said:
    @alldevelopers: (I know that name don’t exist, but should be)
    When a DAW is in development or in alfa/beta-test, developers who wish their app should work in that DAW should give a free copy to the DAW developer. On the other hand, when an appdeveloper wish to make shure that an app should work in a DAW, the DAW-developer should give a copy.
    It’s all beneficial for the consumer…

    Lets call it: “the audiobus exchange board”

    In my experience, plugin developers always will give a copy to a DAW developer and vice versa if asked.

    Most developers don't have the time/resources to use betas of other apps/plugins.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @ecamburn said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @ecamburn said:
    Did the undo icon disappear for anyone else?

    Can you share a screenshot? It should be on the top bar and also in the main menu/song submenu

    I see, yeah there is not enough room to display at your current scale factor. You can do one of two things.
    1. Access Undo/Redo from the Main Menu/Song sub menu
    2. Go to Settings/Interface and lower your scale factor down by a value or 2.

    hey @MatthewAtZenbeats the undo button is gone on my ipad pro 11in as well no matter what scale factor i have it set too it seems and any smaller i wouldnt be able to use it. it is quite annoying to goto the menu and goto song and then undo every time i need to. in fact, i didnt even realize that the top menu HAD an undo button. BUT i havent played with 3.0.3 yet and am about to.

    THANK you so much for providing a rapidly growing DAW in both quality and user workflow and more. It still has a long way to go to compete with say BM3.. honestly just when I create a song in bm3 vs zenbeats, like lets say im trying to use the same sounds same AUs.. BM3 just reflects the sound into my headphones better, for some reason it always just sounds more "professional" listening to a BM3 export than a zenbeats export. for example, with my sony 7506 headphones i can tell when sub bass is being too loud in BM3 and is overpowering the other sounds, and i can tell when ive got it sitting just right, mono and (honestly side chaining helps) clearly heard but doesnt take away from anything else. ive noticed in zenbeats when i force mono especially for sub basses and 808s there is a noticable increase in volume, and its often hard to tell where its sitting in the track. I will do the car test and BM3 is nearly exact everytime, often times zenbeats sub bass ends up wayyy to loud or way to quiet. even though in the headphones it sounds fine. idk what would even cause that but BM3 is really good at returning sound in a near perfectly flat response. zenbeats seems to be a little wonky with the low end.

    one more thing, what scale factor and audio settings do you reccommend for a 2020 ipad pro 11in? do plug in windows have any impact on latency or app speed? also i cant tell the difference between "full screen pattern editor" and not.

    sorry there is alot ive just loaded onto you there, but thank you so so much for this super fun app!! PLEASE keep developing it, its on track to be one of the top dog DAWs for iOS. its QUICKLY becoming less of a sketchbook and more of an actual studio I could use to produce tracks that I would sell to local artists.

    is there a good set of tutorials anywhere that dives deep into ZB3 and using the sampler and stuff? I somtimes dont understand that little ball in the middle of the fade in/out arrows.. i get what it does but then sometimes i cant move it again once ive moved it unless i reset it to not fade at all and then re fade it in or out and play with the little ball again, and sometimes it gets really wonky and ends up like way over to the left past the sample itself and i cant move it and its just strange..

    again alot ive unloaded there. feel free to ignore me completely, or send me a link to some deep dive tutorials, or other reference materials to help. thanks again!!

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats Not sure where is the best place to report bugs. Zenbeats 3.0.3 is constantly crashing the Strummer midi fx - the auv3 goes to a black screen on my iPad Air 4 running 15.4.1

  • @zzrwood said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Not sure where is the best place to report bugs. Zenbeats 3.0.3 is constantly crashing the Strummer midi fx - the auv3 goes to a black screen on my iPad Air 4 running 15.4.1

    Hamburger menu top left of screen > Help > Support

    They do read and reply to this.

  • @anickt said:

    @zzrwood said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Not sure where is the best place to report bugs. Zenbeats 3.0.3 is constantly crashing the Strummer midi fx - the auv3 goes to a black screen on my iPad Air 4 running 15.4.1

    Hamburger menu top left of screen > Help > Support

    They do read and reply to this.

    Thanks 🙏

  • @wim said:
    Hi @MatthewAtZenbeats -
    ZB3 is sending midi clock even if disabled in the midi out settings. It’s sending all the time whether the transport is running or not. I set up Streambyter standalone to monitor. As soon as I set ZB to output midi to Streambyter, clock messages start flooding in. Disabling clock send to Streambyter does nothing.

    Thanks for the report. Will look into it.

    @pippo18 said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats the app crashes at startup of zc1 on my iPhone 6...
    The previous version was perfectly working. I guess it's a "ram" issue. Did you tested with 1Gb devices? In case is it possible to downgrade to version 2 for ios 12 users so that we could still use it (having purchased it) .
    Thanks and best regards.

    Sorry, man. Our minimum device specs requires 2g of ram. I have a test iphone 6 but I can reproduce the same issue with ZC1 on version 2 due the ram shortage.

  • @zzrwood said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Not sure where is the best place to report bugs. Zenbeats 3.0.3 is constantly crashing the Strummer midi fx - the auv3 goes to a black screen on my iPad Air 4 running 15.4.1

    I'll take a look a Strummer, but I recommend updating to iOS 15.5 and see if that helps the issue as it has for several other users.

  • @ipadbeatmaking said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats can we get the Roli lightpad block integration put back into Zenbeats? v3 seems to have removed it. Also, can we get the same QWERTY keyboard shortcuts and integrations on iPad thats available for desktop. Thanks

    @MatthewAtZenbeats in addition to this...the lightpad block doesn't seem to give me real time (audio monitoring) feedback at all that I can monitor. I've tried several light pads on a few iOS devices. Same issue across them all, yet If I use the seaboard or play on screen I can hear everything in real time. Whats funny is: it records the midi I play but doesn't play it audibly, until I play it back. I've never experienced anything like this before.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats sorry for insisting but it just came up again 🤷🏻‍♂️
    I just got the new LFO! auv3 plugin, really cool app. Well it doesn’t seem to be of any use with Zenbeats. You can load it in a MidiFX slot but, as far as I know, there’s no way to map CC’s to anything. Maybe if instead of making midi learn exclusive to hardware controllers we could specify the CC’s?. Then in the parameter view of the plugin we could bind the Cc of the MidiFX to an instrument/fx parameter.
    Once we could add our custom CC’s the next step would to be able to add those to the automation lanes.
    Would this be hard to do?.
    This would a first step to opening up the midi features.
    Thanks!
    BTW: some very cool stuff in Mixtape 12!

  • @tahiche said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats sorry for insisting but it just came up again 🤷🏻‍♂️
    I just got the new LFO! auv3 plugin, really cool app. Well it doesn’t seem to be of any use with Zenbeats. You can load it in a MidiFX slot but, as far as I know, there’s no way to map CC’s to anything. Maybe if instead of making midi learn exclusive to hardware controllers we could specify the CC’s?. Then in the parameter view of the plugin we could bind the Cc of the MidiFX to an instrument/fx parameter.
    Once we could add our custom CC’s the next step would to be able to add those to the automation lanes.
    Would this be hard to do?.
    This would a first step to opening up the midi features.
    Thanks!
    BTW: some very cool stuff in Mixtape 12!

    We're looking into this issue after we solve another reported bug around using CC's with AUv3 plugins.

  • New ZR1 demo in case you missed it. Looking forward to some longer form tutorials on ZB3.

  • edited June 2022

    @MatthewAtZenbeats
    I asked a while ago, now with Zenbeats 3 I‘d really be interested if there is a chance to make ZB on PC open the corresponding VST version of a AUv3 plugin that was used in a project on iOS. Zenbeats could really be my multi platform DAW. Would be fine if there‘s only a few supported plugins (if MixBox is on the list 😄)!

  • edited June 2022

    @iTVbene said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats
    I asked a while ago, now with Zenbeats 3 I‘d really be interested if there is a chance to make ZB on PC open the corresponding VST version of a AUv3 plugin that was used in a project on iOS. Zenbeats could really be my multi platform DAW. Would be fine if there‘s only a few supported plugins (if MixBox is on the list 😄)!

    Yes, I’ve been hoping this was the endgame ever since I saw ZB was also on desktop. Essentially, ZB on the iPad would function as a MIDI controller for ZB on desktop much like Logic Remote is a MIDI controller for Logic Pro. This would allow for Diva and the ES1, for example, to be simultaneously used with Zeeon and the ZB Goa drums pack.

  • edited June 2022

    Mods delete this comment please. It’d a double post.

  • I’m having trouble importing midi files into clips… i exported a clip with a .mid extension from Atom2 but when i tried to import in ZB the file is greyed out in the browser. Thinking it could be something with needing a .midi file extension instead of .mid but ios doesnt let you change that

  • I can get ZB 3 to run on my 2009 high sierra imac, but not my 2014 montery mac mini.it keeps crashing during the "loading plug-in info" screen at startup...

  • edited June 2022

    @Phaedra said:
    I can get ZB 3 to run on my 2009 high sierra imac, but not my 2014 montery mac mini.it keeps crashing during the "loading plug-in info" screen at startup...

    Keep trying until all plugging are scanned.. bad plugins will go into 'quarantine'

    Sorry. Thought was the iPad you asked about... May be the same process on your mac..

  • New bug fix release is out: https://rolandcloud.com/news/zenbeats-3-0-5-patch-release

    Haven’t checked it out yet but looks like lots of fixes/improvements

  • @mjm1138 said:
    New bug fix release is out: https://rolandcloud.com/news/zenbeats-3-0-5-patch-release

    Haven’t checked it out yet but looks like lots of fixes/improvements

    The Zenbeats team are really cranking out the updates. I’ve been spending a lot of time recently using ZB3 as a straight up audio recorder / mixer and finding it every bit as capable as other popular DAWs on iPadOS. It’s fast and intuitive and little touches, like I/O metering on each plugin button, help a lot.

  • edited June 2022

    ZB on iPad exposes IAA audio outs. I’m not able to load these outs onto an audio channel in AUM What am I missing.

  • @ecamburn said:
    ZB on iPad exposes IAA audio outs. I’m not able to load these outs onto an audio channel in AUM What am I missing.

    3.0.5 should not expose them anymore. We do not support it currently, but are seriously looking into it.

  • edited June 2022

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @ecamburn said:
    ZB on iPad exposes IAA audio outs. I’m not able to load these outs onto an audio channel in AUM What am I missing.

    3.0.5 should not expose them anymore. We do not support it currently, but are seriously looking into it.

    Strange choice, knowing IAA is deprecated iand may not work with future version of IOS, if you want connectivity between apps AudioBus is better and more future proof solution.
    And Audiobux also allow state saving, IAA don’t.

  • @Jeezs said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @ecamburn said:
    ZB on iPad exposes IAA audio outs. I’m not able to load these outs onto an audio channel in AUM What am I missing.

    3.0.5 should not expose them anymore. We do not support it currently, but are seriously looking into it.

    Strange choice, knowing IAA is deprecated iand may not work with future version of IOS, if you want connectivity between apps AudioBus is better and more future proof solution.
    And Audiobux also allow state saving, IAA don’t.

    Even better actually. If you implement Audiobus you get IAA "for free" as long as IAA continues to work on iOS, and you still will have Audiobus connectivity when it doesn't any more.

  • @Schmotown said:
    Trying to understand… why are app subscriptions so unpopular here? Streaming and cable video, utilities like electricity and water, Amazon Prime, Spotify, cloud storage, Office 365, and many others are subscription services. So why not apps?

    You pretty much listed all the reasons yourself. Many of us have their subscriptions covered and prefer to spare some of regular income for spontaneous buy decisions. It all adss up quickly. And apps are not priced like appartments, which most people could never afford to buy.

  • edited June 2022

    [...] if you want connectivity between apps AudioBus is better and more future proof solution.

    Even Loopy Pro does not implement AudioBus, right?

    But it does provide an AUv3 plugin, as does Drambo.

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