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Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?

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  • Also, when have portraits of all the government “officials,” but zero images of UFO/UAPs to support these substantial claims.

    Looks like a nothingburger to me.

  • In fact the story is so questionable, the site had to also post a defense for publishing it — in a feeble attempt to make it all seen above board:

    https://thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-founder-and-investigator-tim-mcmillan-part-1/

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    @cyberheater said:

    Growing pressure from who? Why couldn't they wait?

  • @SNystrom said:
    In fact the story is so questionable, the site had to also post a defense for publishing it — in a feeble attempt to make it all seen above board:

    https://thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-founder-and-investigator-tim-mcmillan-part-1/

    Any story should be questioned, even when a definitive answer cannot be reached, that also goes for the WaPo and NYT.

  • @Simon said:

    @cyberheater said:

    Growing pressure from who? Why couldn't they wait?

    Just a wild guess, but maybe something related to the congressional hearings and national security.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @SNystrom said:
    In fact the story is so questionable, the site had to also post a defense for publishing it — in a feeble attempt to make it all seen above board:

    https://thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-founder-and-investigator-tim-mcmillan-part-1/

    Any story should be questioned, even when a definitive answer cannot be reached, that also goes for the WaPo and NYT.

    I just felt the publisher went over the top in an attempt to support a story the Washing Post wasn’t willing to back.

    When a major national newspaper refuses to publish your “story,” perhaps there is a good reason why.

    I have a totally open mind about all unexplained phenomena, but the reporting on such controversial topics has to be based on rock solid evidence to make it even remotely believable to me.

  • I think it's only a matter of time before everyone picks this up, but I also believe this isn't the smoking gun yet. By his own admission, this guy hasn't actually seen any craft or occupants but as far as I can tell he knows who has, and that's an excellent start for Congress. I'm not someone who likes to quote Winston Churchill, but I feel:

    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning".

  • @sevenape said:
    I think it's only a matter of time before everyone picks this up, but I also believe this isn't the smoking gun yet. By his own admission, this guy hasn't actually seen any craft or occupants but as far as I can tell he knows who has, and that's an excellent start for Congress. I'm not someone who likes to quote Winston Churchill, but I feel:

    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning".

    That’s why it will end up behind closed doors, in Congress, but if details are in the public domain before then, maybe a evidentiary chain could be followed up on.

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    @knewspeak said:

    @sevenape said:
    I think it's only a matter of time before everyone picks this up, but I also believe this isn't the smoking gun yet. By his own admission, this guy hasn't actually seen any craft or occupants but as far as I can tell he knows who has, and that's an excellent start for Congress. I'm not someone who likes to quote Winston Churchill, but I feel:

    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning".

    That’s why it will end up behind closed doors, in Congress, but if details are in the public domain before then, maybe a evidentiary chain could be followed up on.

    we can only hope. I hear that the Varginha video is close to being released... But I've heard stuff like that before...

  • @sevenape said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @sevenape said:
    I think it's only a matter of time before everyone picks this up, but I also believe this isn't the smoking gun yet. By his own admission, this guy hasn't actually seen any craft or occupants but as far as I can tell he knows who has, and that's an excellent start for Congress. I'm not someone who likes to quote Winston Churchill, but I feel:

    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning".

    That’s why it will end up behind closed doors, in Congress, but if details are in the public domain before then, maybe a evidentiary chain could be followed up on.

    we can only hope. I hear that the Varginha video is close to being released... But I've stuff like that before...

    I agree, but there seems a little more momentum from insiders and the scientific community this time, to really find out what is going on.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @sevenape said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @sevenape said:
    I think it's only a matter of time before everyone picks this up, but I also believe this isn't the smoking gun yet. By his own admission, this guy hasn't actually seen any craft or occupants but as far as I can tell he knows who has, and that's an excellent start for Congress. I'm not someone who likes to quote Winston Churchill, but I feel:

    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning".

    That’s why it will end up behind closed doors, in Congress, but if details are in the public domain before then, maybe a evidentiary chain could be followed up on.

    we can only hope. I hear that the Varginha video is close to being released... But I've stuff like that before...

    I agree, but there seems a little more momentum from insiders and the scientific community this time, to really find out what is going on.

    That's definitely true, I think there seems to be more serious talk these days, which is only a positive thing.

  • edited June 2023

    @sevenape said:
    I hear that the Varginha video is close to being released... But I've heard stuff like that before...

    What does the video show?

    Isn't this a tourist thing, like Loch Ness or Roswell?

  • @Simon said:

    @sevenape said:
    I hear that the Varginha video is close to being released... But I've heard stuff like that before...

    What does the video show?

    Isn't this a tourist thing, like Loch Ness or Roswell?

    It will show an actual live alien being apparently.

  • @cyberheater said:
    It will show an actual live alien being apparently.

    OK. That would be interesting. I'd tune in. :smiley:

  • @Simon said:

    @cyberheater said:
    It will show an actual live alien being apparently.

    OK. That would be interesting. I'd tune in. :smiley:

    This allegedly:

  • "located a person who supposedly has a 30 minute video of Varginha creature at UNICAMP being examined by two physicians" sounds a lot like B.S. to me.

    "supposedly"?

    I'd love to see it (if it exists) but I won't be holding my breath.

  • @Simon said:

    "located a person who supposedly has a 30 minute video of Varginha creature at UNICAMP being examined by two physicians" sounds a lot like B.S. to me.

    "supposedly"?

    I'd love to see it (if it exists) but I won't be holding my breath.

    I agree with you, James Fox 100% believes that a video exists... whether this is it is another matter. Still, would be awesome

  • @Simon said:

    "located a person who supposedly has a 30 minute video of Varginha creature at UNICAMP being examined by two physicians" sounds a lot like B.S. to me.

    "supposedly"?

    I'd love to see it (if it exists) but I won't be holding my breath.

    From the reports I’ve seen about this incident, the Alien was terrified, I find that statement a truthful but saddening indictment of humanity, we are truly the freak show.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    "located a person who supposedly has a 30 minute video of Varginha creature at UNICAMP being examined by two physicians" sounds a lot like B.S. to me.

    "supposedly"?

    I'd love to see it (if it exists) but I won't be holding my breath.

    From the reports I’ve seen about this incident, the Alien was terrified, I find that statement a truthful but saddening indictment of humanity, we are truly the freak show.

    There was a least 2 aliens.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    "located a person who supposedly has a 30 minute video of Varginha creature at UNICAMP being examined by two physicians" sounds a lot like B.S. to me.

    "supposedly"?

    I'd love to see it (if it exists) but I won't be holding my breath.

    From the reports I’ve seen about this incident, the Alien was terrified, I find that statement a truthful but saddening indictment of humanity, we are truly the freak show.

    There was a least 2 aliens.

    Wasn’t one of the aliens spotted by several girls in an alleyway, or am I getting mixed up with another case.

  • edited June 2023

    @knewspeak said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    "located a person who supposedly has a 30 minute video of Varginha creature at UNICAMP being examined by two physicians" sounds a lot like B.S. to me.

    "supposedly"?

    I'd love to see it (if it exists) but I won't be holding my breath.

    From the reports I’ve seen about this incident, the Alien was terrified, I find that statement a truthful but saddening indictment of humanity, we are truly the freak show.

    There was a least 2 aliens.

    Wasn’t one of the aliens spotted by several girls in an alleyway, or am I getting mixed up with another case.

    That’s the one, and then a policeman found it in the road or something, put it in his hair and took it to the hospital. Then the policeman got sick and died very shortly after.

    That whole Varginha case is absolutely fascinating. There’s a really good film called moment of contact all about it. :) (edited title)

  • edited June 2023

    @sevenape said:

    @knewspeak said:

    Wasn’t one of the aliens spotted by several girls in an alleyway, or am I getting mixed up with another case.

    That’s the one, and then a policeman found it in the road or something, put it in his car and took it to the hospital. Then the policeman got sick and died very shortly after.

    That whole Varginha case is absolutely fascinating. There’s a really good film ... all about it.

    The case IS fascinating. As is the film.

    Moment of Contact - trailer:

  • More about the US whistleblower.

  • @SpookyZoo said:

    @sevenape said:

    @knewspeak said:

    Wasn’t one of the aliens spotted by several girls in an alleyway, or am I getting mixed up with another case.

    That’s the one, and then a policeman found it in the road or something, put it in his car and took it to the hospital. Then the policeman got sick and died very shortly after.

    That whole Varginha case is absolutely fascinating. There’s a really good film ... all about it.

    The case IS fascinating. As is the film.

    Moment of Contact - trailer:

    It’s brilliant. He’s a great film maker.

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    ̪̮͙̟͖̈́ͫ́ͩͪ̀̈́́ꄘ̗̱̈̌͛̿̎̉̂ͦ͘ꄙ̸̪̺̳͎͓͗́͆ͣͅꄚ̢͇̮̪ͫ̐͂͠ꄛ̫͇͙̯̯͚͚̮̭̇͡͝ꄜ̞̪͓̤̙̹̱̽̅̌̈́ͧ͢ͅꄝ̪͔͚͇̗̣̰̫̜̄̊͊ͧ͐͗ͥ̑̚ꄞ̡͚̠͈͈̼̱͗ͭͨ̈́̚ꄟ̙̟̐̄͐̌̐ͤ͠ꄠ̴̼̺͖̄ͥͩ͐̃ͤͩ̚ꄡ̶̛̫̝̩̬͙̏̑͑̎ͪ̆̅ꄢ̩͎̬͇͇̆ͭͮ̿ͮ̋̉̉̚ꄣ̖̬̹͉̖̬̭͛͊̃ͬ͗́̀͠ꄤ̞̰̯͕̰ͨ͢͠ꄥ̡̼̤̯͓̼̞͔͙̺ͪ̓ͮ̀́͢ꄦ̂̍͂ͮ̿ͣ̾̈́͏̖̦͇͖̹̙͕͍̠͝ꄧ̱̲͖͖̺̰̾̒͢͟ꄨ̱̳̝̑ͭ̈̽̈̈̕͟͝ꄩ̯͍͔̝̜̬̪̇̀ͬ̋ͩ͘͠ꄪ̱̯̞̭͕̦͈̮̌̀ͣ͜͜ꄫ͉͓̰̗̬̲̠́ͮꄬ̞ͤꄭ̫̗̯̞̈́̌̈ͯͨͥ̈́̚ꄮ̷͎͙̹͈̫̫̼͌͆ꄯ̸̟̝̤ͯ͛ͪ̑̚͞ꄰ̼̼̤͇̳ͣ̀͛̀͜͟ꄱ̸̡̙̣̖̭̰̪ͥͯ̅̐ͮ̋ꄲ̵̪͎̳̣̳͎̩̣̣͊̽̓͐́ͭꄳ̴͎͚̻̟͑̒̃ͬ̀ꄴ̭͍ͥ̈́ͮ̄͜ꄵ̸͙̮͚͙̙͒̎́ꄶ̼͈̙̗̠̣̥͙̓ͮꄷ͔̫̱̮̔̌̃ͣͯꄸ̨͍͓̱̫͎̤̰̙ͪ̀ͮͩ̿ꄹ̫̣̣̦̆̈̔̊́ꄺ̵̑ͮ̀͏͓̜̝̦̳̜̘̭ꄻ̮̹̳̦̯̺̠̱̌ꄼ̼͉̮͙̩̰̒ͣ͂ͅꄽ̸̱͊̂͑͠ꄾ̡͍̦̄̑ͫ̿͌̋̇͠ꄿ̗̤̻̠̭̞̻̂͆̌̾ͦͦ͂͞

    ̻̱̱̠̼̾͗ͧͤ͌ͫ́ꅀ̰̦̬̖̠͌̇̓͊̓ͣ̇͢ꅁ̥̫̩̺̘͈̞̝̯̈́͐̊͂ͨͯ͐̾̋͟ꅂ̴̭͙͑̏͒ͬ͐ꅃ̸̥̣͖̦͓̟̊ͦꅄ̮ͪ͂̕̕ꅅ̛̦̯̇̑́̈̑̈́ͭ͐ꅆ̸̭ͮ̾̃ꅇ̸̵̲̱̞̜̪̂̆̂̓ͫ͛̓̂ͣ͝ꅈ͙̈́̂͆̽͜͜ꅉ̧̱̤̣͈̰͈̱̤ͫ́̂ͧͅꅊ̢͕̙̻̜ͦ̎̓ͦ̿͛́̚͟͟ͅͅͅꅋ̦͚̦̮̣͛͋̅̔̿̅̚ͅꅌ̴̴̪͚͒͌͂ꅍ̱̭͖̄̑̂̾ͭ̍͟ꅎ͔͉̒͛͘ꅏ̡̜͓̣̭̟̼͂ͧͣ̒̃͆ͨ̕ꅐͥ͒̇ͤ͑ͬ͏̢̹̼̲̟̞ꅑ͂ͤ̈́̃ͮ͋҉̡̙̮̳̭͝ꅒ̤̜̟̭̥̤̠̘̫ͪ͊͛̔̎͆ͦ͋͢͡ꅓ̛̹͑̂̀̓̈ꅔ̭͎̜͗ͫ̑̈͒̒̔ꅕ̡̬̬̖͕̘͋ͬͮ͘ꅖ̧̺̯̣̤̼͚̆̇͛̓̓̚͢ͅꅗͥͦ͠҉̹̲͎̠̰̖̹͟ꅘ̷̙̫̺̮̜͚̥̤͐̐ͯ̂͘ꅙ̥͍̞̟͉̐̅̉̆̆ͭͩ͘ꅚ̲̹̝ͬͪ͟ꅛ͈̗̰̂ͦ̑́ͤ͐̂ꅜͨͮ̄̅͐͡͏͎ꅝ̵̤͙̤̥͌ꅞ̢̬̫̜̝ͬͭ̑͛̄͟͞ͅꅟ̓ͨ̒̾̓҉͕͕̬̲͠ꅠ̶̨͔͚̗̙̳̝̗̉̃ͧ͜ꅡ̴̸͔̥̜͖ͬ̕ꅢ̸̺̬͇̦͔̲̟ͦ̆͌̂̄̈́̅̑̎ꅣ̷̱͍̮͖̊ͪ̎̉̇ͪ̃̚͞ꅤ̩̱͍̳ͩͨ̇̈̃̚ꅥ̯̖͙͇͍ͩ͗̊̓͛͟͟͞ꅦ͙̝͇̘̉ͭ̓ͥ̀̒͘ꅧ̂̾̐̓̌̚҉̤̻̼͓̙͖̠͉̼͞

    ͎̹͓̺̳̣͍̩̐͌ꅨ̸̰̟̤͉̪̖͕͌̿͋ꅩ͇͚̱̤͖̮̲́̉ͥ͑͡ꅪ̵̰̣͌̇͆ͩꅫ̼̠̜͎̤̯͆ͯ̐͛ͯꅬ̥̟̫̟̹̦̬̥̽̈̈́ͪꅭ̾͊͐̂͂ͧ́̀҉͍̭̝͎̬̩ꅮ̬̟̥͕̪̤̤̘͒ͤ̌̾͜ꅯ͚̥̣̟́̆̾͢ꅰ̨̧͈̙̩͖̫͍͈̯̺ͥ̽͊ͯ͑̅͝ꅱ̴̫͓̖̤͙͉̯̭̏ͫͨ̎͂̃̒́̇́ꅲ̷̞͖̼̉͒̀ꅳ̷͈̥̋̇̾ꅴ̲̖̐̽ꅵ̪̝̩̟͍͍̭̇̑ͧͪͭ̽̿́́͜ꅶ̢̿́̌͂҉̴̲̲̗̪̜̫̝̦ꅷͬͫͨͭͪ҉̡̝̦̦͔͠ꅸ͕͎̝͉̪͒͂ͯ͑̆̀̚̕ꅹ̣͎̩̭͎̼ͨ̔̍͋́ͬ̕͢ꅺ̷̖̟̭̖̯̟̍̈̋̀̎ͨ̀̀ꅻ̤ͩ̈͊̇̇͢ꅼ̭͔̜̤̤̰͎̮ͨ͂̕͡ꅽ̵̡̠̟̗͓̼͓̞͕̑͊̇̒ͯͅꅾ͂͑͏̢̳̬͕̦ꅿ̻̻ͪͭ̂ͧ̃ꆀ̿ͯ̍ͣ͗̋̚͏͔ꆁ͖̘̬̘͖̣̥͎̖ͩ͑̐̇͑͆ͦ̐̿̀́ꆂ̴̸̭͇̘̭̥͔̉ͫ͋͐̒ͬͩ̚ͅꆃ̨̹̗̙̳͍̟̹̅̊ͭ͑̒͟ͅꆄ̛̰̮̹̼̠̣̦͇͋ͩ̊ͬ̿̌ͥ̓͜ꆅ̳̞͚̖̞͕̙ͪ͒̓ꆆ̷̡͓͕̮͉̺̗̬̄̉͊͒̔̆̐ͅꆇ̶͓͉͎̝̘͊͒̂̃̓͗̀͢ͅꆈ̲͚̮̣̟̩̪̭̄ͭ̄͒̇́ꆉ̭̗̘̟͛ͧ̍̂͊ͯͤ̆͠ͅꆊ̵͔͔ͮ̊̔̀ꆋ̸̧͖̞͍̻̿͢ꆌ̷̢̜͚͕͇̼ͥͣ̚ꆍ̉̿͐͏͖͙͕̼̞͇̖ꆎ̶̧̮͖̹͎̠̣̉̾ꆏ̴͚̝̩̀ͮͯͯ̒͐͂

    ͎̹̥̥̰̃͛͂͛̓͌̆͟͞ꆸ͇͚ͨ̆̇̔ꆹ̗̜̼͍̲͋̃͑ꆺ̛̦͖̦̹̗̭̒͑ꆻ̜̖̲͉̘ͬͨͥͫ̔́ͩ̍ꆼͥͭ́̑̄̓ͩͯͪ̀҉̬̱͜ͅꆽ̸̜͎̗̤̘̤͒ꆾ̵̡̻̱͕͓ͨ̒͆͌̉ꆿ̥͕̖͙̭̜ͭͦ̄ͬ͑ͨ̈ꇀ̸̶̪̳͎͌͒͒ꇁ̳̼͆̒ͭ͜͝ꇂ̪̯̱͓ͫͭ̌͌̇̈̽ꇃ̢̛͈̼̘̖̒͜ꇄ̢̓ͤ̌̿̆̏̔̚̚͏͔̯ꇅ̜̜͈̰̺̰͍̩͂̆ͅꇆ̵̜̮͈͔ͪ̉̈͊ͥͭ̑͘ꇇ̊̂̋҉̵̨̦̠̻̤ꇈ̨͇̰̹̞͕ͦ̅͑ͅꇉ̯̾ͩ̽ꇊ̪̱̟͇̞͈̞̦̤̊̓͊̿̊ͦ͝͡ꇋ̵̲̜̯̱̋̎ͫ́ꇌ̵͔͖͌̔̽͐̈́ͯ̈́͜ꇍ̟̰̞̪́̍ͣͭ̃̆̌̎ꇎ̛͖̼̖͍̱̟̖͎̓͊̈́̋̿͠ꇏ̷ͫ͋҉̺͍͎̫͔͔͖ꇐ̞̳̻̬͖ͤ̾̊ͣ͂̆̅̉̕͞ꇑ̧̣̩̳͔͓͓̋ͧ̆̂ͯ̄͗ͦ́ꇒ̖̬̼͕̽̀̌͐͞͞͡ͅꇓ̳̗̩̰͙͎̥͔̅ͩ̇̀͡ꇔ̞͔̺̼͚͈̮͇ͮ̆ͪ̄̓̚ꇕ̻̲͇̪̥͔̊͗̽ͧ̋̊̀́͝ͅꇖ̸̵̧̞̫͇̞̩̝̩͔͒͗͂̄͗ͮ̚ꇗ̒ͭ͏̢̹͚̹̖̼̻ꇘ̢͔̲͔̩͙̱͙͎̐̄̏̉̊͐͡͡ꇙ̲̹̭̘̹̤̬̱͔̓ͫ̒͑͆ͬ͟͝ꇚ̱̥̜̫̥ͨ̒ͤ͋ͥ͜͠ꇛ̶̼̙̭̜̯ͭ̑̾̇͌̂ͦ̉ͣꇜ̜̩̪̩̱̍ͮ͘ꇝ̙̗͌͆ꇞ̹̣̗ͣͬͧ̉͐̓ͩ́́͞ꇟ̬͓̦͇̣̱͔̰̦̅̑̌

    ̧̤̟ͮ͒̓̌͜ꇠ̯̠̑ͧ̈͢ꇡ̼͂̾̄ͫ͂͑ꇢ̴̸̜̫͙̬̣ͦ̾ͨ̆̅͠ꇣ̴̗͈̐͛̂̒̈́͘ꇤ̰͕͍̖̜ͨ̂̕ꇥ̴͈͇͍͓͛ͫͯꇦ̵̯͕̭͈̞̬̾ͪͤ͂̌̊́͡ͅꇧ̗̓͜͟ꇨ͇̯̩̩͔͉̥̎̐ͨ̀͜ꇩ͚̦͖͉̟̟͖̉̃̊ͯͩꇪ̛̖͚̟̩͇ͨͬ̄̊͂̑ꇫ̷̸̛͎̺̱̻̯̠͂ͬ͐̄̅ͅͅꇬ̤̝͊̀͢͝ꇭ̡̪̘̍̉̈́͑ͮ͆ͣ̿͠ꇮ̡̫̳̬̣̯͔̀ͬͧ̄̊̚̕͝ꇯ͓̪͕ͧ͋ͮ͂͛̋͛̀͟ꇰ͇̩̺̳̰̫̏ꇱ̧̞̝̦̩ͭ̇̑ͭͬ̊ͦ͝͠ꇲ͇͚̮̐̍̂ͯͦ͐̿͂ꇳ̮̝̯͒̄ͥ͐̍ͤ́ꇴͪͩ̎͒ͬ̒̅̇҉̟̺͈̺ꇵ̧͈̬̫͓͙͕̍ꇶ̴̡͈͙̳̺͉͐͑͝ꇷ͔̘͙̠̘͈̇̒͂ͤ̅ꇸ̭͓̯̻ͮ̚̕͝ꇹ̄̓ͥ̍͊͒̑̆͏͉ꇺ̱̬̱̠̼̱̌ͧͣ͂̽͊ͨꇻ̟̭̮͈̜͗͊̉ͯͩ͟ꇼ͕͈͇ͮ̇͋ͪ̓ꇽ̴̦͖͍͒̐̂̚ꇾ̵̩̝͚̰̰̞͒̓ͦͯ̔͆͂̽͢ꇿ̴̶͚̣̺͕ͤͣ̍ͩ̂̈́͛̓͘ꈀ̘̻͇͖̟̺̝̐͒̀ͤ͝ͅꈁ͚͙ͣ̂͜ꈂ̘̫̳̹͈̫̝̫̩̏̽̂͗͗̅̄̓̀ꈃ̦̬͚̖͔̬͇̓̈́͒̿̾ͮ͛̽ꈄ͍̰͍͚̹̲ͧ̿̉̄̀͑̐͘͠ꈅ̃ͫ̒ͪ҉̤͔̯̹̦̯̘̝ꈆ̖̜͈͈͔̞̘̀͞ꈇ̅̇̄͏͕̜͚̠̪͉̬͠

    ̛͇͇̝̰̗͍̙ͩ̒͊̾͘ꈈ̧͍̜̣̙̯ͨ̓͐ꈉ̗̪̘̥͊͛̿ͩ̃ͪ͆͢ꈊ̼̥͔̦͚̯͙ͬ̇ͥ͊ͩ̐͛̆͡ꈋ̨̹̗͍ͫ̈́͂͑̋̆̃͒̾͡ꈌ̵̵͚̘͔̖̞̬̭͐̾͑ͬͩ̊̚ꈍ̨̨̢͔̖͓͚̻̘̮̙̾͋̄̾̀͛̔ͪꈎ̷͈̗̆̒̓̌ͮͪ̾̚ͅꈏ̶͉̙̭̗͙͙͌̂ͮͧ̆̈́̕͟ͅꈐ̴̜̫̫̲͇͙͖̮̩́̊ꈑ̬̝̣̪̘ͨ̽̈͗̈͋̋ꈒ̦̯̂͟ꈓ̳ͭ͌̃ͨ̀͢ꈔͭͪ͊͏҉̭͍͕̘̼̻̲ꈕ̞͚̤ͤ̐́ͧ͋̃͐͂ꈖ̷̱͌̈́͟͡ꈗ̛͎͓̹̏̑ꈘ̜ͦ̓ͪͣͧͭ͠ꈙ̸̝ͥͤ̐̐̎ꈚ̢̜̤̌̀͘ꈛ̵͍̞͙̼͇͕̤̖ͬ̽̏͆͋ͧ̕ꈜ͕̗̈ͮ̌ͬ̌̿͞ͅꈝ̛͇̼̲̬̠͕͇͗̾̄̆͒̿̿̎ꈞ̤ͬͥͫͩ͊͗ꈟ̨̼̜͐̅̇ͬ̋̎͐̚ͅꈠ̈́̿̒͗̀̚͞͏̤͈͔̲̩ꈡ̢͇̲̭̬̣̃̇̑͒ꈢ̞͔̻̠̈͊ͨ͘ꈣ͇́̏ͩꈤ̶̢̙̠̹̫̮̝͔̳͒ꈥ̴̘̣̳̲̺̺̲͍̮̀̊ͭ́̊̃̏͜͞ꈦ̿͐̐̆̎҉̨̞̹͈̗̙ꈧ̳̖͔̊̓ͭͪ͑̈́̈ꈨ̴̬̖̯͉̯̫̺̈́̓̒ͨ̌͒ꈩ̜̬̖͖̳͖͖̌̓̂ͮͯͩ̀̚̕͠ꈪ̛͛̓ͤ̇̐͏̖͓ꈫ̗̝͔̞͉̻̟̞̆̂̏̊ꈬ̼̈̈̂̾̎̑̍́̀̚̚ꈭ̷̵̙͉̘͛̌͑ꈮ̘̳͇̞̦̥̫̗̌ͥ̾ꈯ̼̙͓͎̖̟ͩ͐ͫ͌̓̚̕̕͠

    ͭ͌̓͌̽͊҉͈̙̫͝ꈰ̵̜͓͎̱͖͎̃̍͐͋̋͒̑̎͟͞ꈱ̶̱̯͍͎͖̿̂̓ͦͩ̎ͪ͘ꈲ̷̗̋͊̉ͦ̇̈́̑ͪꈳ̧͈̦̫̀̄̄͋ͮͣ̌͟͡ꈴ̸̬̺̯̣̦̳͗̑͛ͪͮ͆̃̀ꈵͫ͡҉̳̱̞̬͍ꈶ̡̫̥͇͕͚͚̗̈́ꈷ͒̊͒ͭͭ̂͗͊ͭ͏̶̞͙͢ꈸ̶̨̫̦͈͚̦̳͖ͩ̄̐̐̈͒̌ͯꈹ͓̝ͦ͢͜ꈺ̴̙̮̱̫ͨ̎̉̓̔̋̆̀̚͜ꈻ͖̞̰̩̹̊͑̐̕̕ꈼ͎̜̄ͭ̈́̎̋̾̈́ꈽ̮̖͇̬̱ͮ͛ͯ̒ͤ͒͞ꈾ̴̥̑ͮͪͣ̊̚ꈿ̛̣͉̘͚̘͙͇̆ͤ͡ꉀ̢̡͚̥̱͗ͭ̓ͫ̋͗ꉁ̨̼̰̱͔̤̲͇͇̑͂ͅꉂ͙̮̭̍͠͡ꉃ̴̠̞͍̦̥̫͖̈́̂͊̄̋̍̌̆͞ꉄ̈̈̓ͥ̐͑͛̚͏̠̭̩̳͎̦͈ꉅ͍̬̤̆ͭ͒̃̔ͫ̈́͢͠ꉆ̷͙̗̯͈̪̺ͤ̋̃ꉇ̘͈̩̗͎̪̗͍̽̏͠ꉈ̫̳̫̜̟͐̄̊̋̀̂̀͡ͅꉉ̷͉̟ͣ̾͠ꉊ̶̵̻̤̝͕͉͉ͪ̍ͧ̉̏ͩ͐̀̆ꉋ̨̗̤̪̟̣̣̏ͧͥͦ̉͂ꉌ̶ͤ̍̈́ͣ͟͏̻̙̮ꉍ̳̪̣͉̎̓̔̌̌̏̋ͪꉎ̶̰͇̭̟̱͇̺̹̍̀ꉏ̹͉̻͖͚ͧ̌͢ꉐ̬̼̝̾ͩ͡ꉑͤ̎̑҉̢̦͇͈ꉒ̡͖̦̤̋ꉓ̡̘͈̑ꉔ̨̰͎͑ͩ̽̑ͨ͂͢ꉕ̠̂ͬ̊́̏͢͠ꉖ̆̈́҉̻̖͖̭͘ͅꉗ̦̘̝̻̪̣̣̮ͨ̒̂͗̀̒ͮͨ̚͞

  • It’s in the Grauniad!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/whistleblower-ufo-alien-tech-spacecraft

    The mainstream is definitely picking up on this!

  • Worth noting:

    " In the Debrief article, Grusch does not say he has personally seen alien vehicles, nor does he say where they may be being stored. "

    and...

    " The Debrief reported that Grusch’s knowledge of non-human materials and vehicles was based on “extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials”. "

    So we are back to this being a "somebody told me", rumour-type story.

    Also...

    "He left the government in April after a 14-year career in US intelligence." - I wonder why he left?

    Is he just a disgruntled ex-employee?

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