Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?

knewspeak

@Simon said:
Worth noting:

" In the Debrief article, Grusch does not say he has personally seen alien vehicles, nor does he say where they may be being stored. "

and...

" The Debrief reported that Grusch’s knowledge of non-human materials and vehicles was based on “extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials”. "

So we are back to this being a "somebody told me", rumour-type story.

Also...

"He left the government in April after a 14-year career in US intelligence." - I wonder why he left?

Is he just a disgruntled ex-employee?

@Simon you seem to adopt the old US stance in that ‘there’s nothing to see here move along, aliens don’t exist, if you believe that they possibly do your crazy’

I can only wonder what would happen if you encountered such strange phenomena.

sevenape

@Simon said:

@SpookyZoo said:
The case IS fascinating. As is the film.

Moment of Contact - trailer:

Interesting review:
https://rogersmovienation.com/2022/10/15/documentary-review-more-proof-of-a-ufo-encounter-thats-nothing-of-the-sort-moment-of-contact/

I mean the witness testimony is pretty overwhelming, perhaps these dozens of people are all in on it. Including air traffic control and police and firemen. This is not a skeptic review but much more cynical. By all means it’s his opinion and of course there are no photos or videos, but the film is a culmination of 20 years of research and of speaking to people who believe it happened.

cyberheater

It's interesting that there hasn't been any backlash from the US Government or other "interested" parties to the whistleblower.
I'm wondering if this is now an important element of the official disclosure process.

SpookyZoo

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̪̮͙̟͖̈́ͫ́ͩͪ̀̈́́ꄘ̗̱̈̌͛̿̎̉̂ͦ͘ꄙ̸̪̺̳͎͓͗́͆ͣͅꄚ̢͇̮̪ͫ̐͂͠ꄛ̫͇͙̯̯͚͚̮̭̇͡͝ꄜ̞̪͓̤̙̹̱̽̅̌̈́ͧ͢ͅꄝ̪͔͚͇̗̣̰̫̜̄̊͊ͧ͐͗ͥ̑̚ꄞ̡͚̠͈͈̼̱͗ͭͨ̈́̚ꄟ̙̟̐̄͐̌̐ͤ͠ꄠ̴̼̺͖̄ͥͩ͐̃ͤͩ̚ꄡ̶̛̫̝̩̬͙̏̑͑̎ͪ̆̅ꄢ̩͎̬͇͇̆ͭͮ̿ͮ̋̉̉̚ꄣ̖̬̹͉̖̬̭͛͊̃ͬ͗́̀͠ꄤ̞̰̯͕̰ͨ͢͠ꄥ̡̼̤̯͓̼̞͔͙̺ͪ̓ͮ̀́͢ꄦ̂̍͂ͮ̿ͣ̾̈́͏̖̦͇͖̹̙͕͍̠͝ꄧ̱̲͖͖̺̰̾̒͢͟ꄨ̱̳̝̑ͭ̈̽̈̈̕͟͝ꄩ̯͍͔̝̜̬̪̇̀ͬ̋ͩ͘͠ꄪ̱̯̞̭͕̦͈̮̌̀ͣ͜͜ꄫ͉͓̰̗̬̲̠́ͮꄬ̞ͤꄭ̫̗̯̞̈́̌̈ͯͨͥ̈́̚ꄮ̷͎͙̹͈̫̫̼͌͆ꄯ̸̟̝̤ͯ͛ͪ̑̚͞ꄰ̼̼̤͇̳ͣ̀͛̀͜͟ꄱ̸̡̙̣̖̭̰̪ͥͯ̅̐ͮ̋ꄲ̵̪͎̳̣̳͎̩̣̣͊̽̓͐́ͭꄳ̴͎͚̻̟͑̒̃ͬ̀ꄴ̭͍ͥ̈́ͮ̄͜ꄵ̸͙̮͚͙̙͒̎́ꄶ̼͈̙̗̠̣̥͙̓ͮꄷ͔̫̱̮̔̌̃ͣͯꄸ̨͍͓̱̫͎̤̰̙ͪ̀ͮͩ̿ꄹ̫̣̣̦̆̈̔̊́ꄺ̵̑ͮ̀͏͓̜̝̦̳̜̘̭ꄻ̮̹̳̦̯̺̠̱̌ꄼ̼͉̮͙̩̰̒ͣ͂ͅꄽ̸̱͊̂͑͠ꄾ̡͍̦̄̑ͫ̿͌̋̇͠ꄿ̗̤̻̠̭̞̻̂͆̌̾ͦͦ͂͞

̻̱̱̠̼̾͗ͧͤ͌ͫ́ꅀ̰̦̬̖̠͌̇̓͊̓ͣ̇͢ꅁ̥̫̩̺̘͈̞̝̯̈́͐̊͂ͨͯ͐̾̋͟ꅂ̴̭͙͑̏͒ͬ͐ꅃ̸̥̣͖̦͓̟̊ͦꅄ̮ͪ͂̕̕ꅅ̛̦̯̇̑́̈̑̈́ͭ͐ꅆ̸̭ͮ̾̃ꅇ̸̵̲̱̞̜̪̂̆̂̓ͫ͛̓̂ͣ͝ꅈ͙̈́̂͆̽͜͜ꅉ̧̱̤̣͈̰͈̱̤ͫ́̂ͧͅꅊ̢͕̙̻̜ͦ̎̓ͦ̿͛́̚͟͟ͅͅͅꅋ̦͚̦̮̣͛͋̅̔̿̅̚ͅꅌ̴̴̪͚͒͌͂ꅍ̱̭͖̄̑̂̾ͭ̍͟ꅎ͔͉̒͛͘ꅏ̡̜͓̣̭̟̼͂ͧͣ̒̃͆ͨ̕ꅐͥ͒̇ͤ͑ͬ͏̢̹̼̲̟̞ꅑ͂ͤ̈́̃ͮ͋҉̡̙̮̳̭͝ꅒ̤̜̟̭̥̤̠̘̫ͪ͊͛̔̎͆ͦ͋͢͡ꅓ̛̹͑̂̀̓̈ꅔ̭͎̜͗ͫ̑̈͒̒̔ꅕ̡̬̬̖͕̘͋ͬͮ͘ꅖ̧̺̯̣̤̼͚̆̇͛̓̓̚͢ͅꅗͥͦ͠҉̹̲͎̠̰̖̹͟ꅘ̷̙̫̺̮̜͚̥̤͐̐ͯ̂͘ꅙ̥͍̞̟͉̐̅̉̆̆ͭͩ͘ꅚ̲̹̝ͬͪ͟ꅛ͈̗̰̂ͦ̑́ͤ͐̂ꅜͨͮ̄̅͐͡͏͎ꅝ̵̤͙̤̥͌ꅞ̢̬̫̜̝ͬͭ̑͛̄͟͞ͅꅟ̓ͨ̒̾̓҉͕͕̬̲͠ꅠ̶̨͔͚̗̙̳̝̗̉̃ͧ͜ꅡ̴̸͔̥̜͖ͬ̕ꅢ̸̺̬͇̦͔̲̟ͦ̆͌̂̄̈́̅̑̎ꅣ̷̱͍̮͖̊ͪ̎̉̇ͪ̃̚͞ꅤ̩̱͍̳ͩͨ̇̈̃̚ꅥ̯̖͙͇͍ͩ͗̊̓͛͟͟͞ꅦ͙̝͇̘̉ͭ̓ͥ̀̒͘ꅧ̂̾̐̓̌̚҉̤̻̼͓̙͖̠͉̼͞

͎̹͓̺̳̣͍̩̐͌ꅨ̸̰̟̤͉̪̖͕͌̿͋ꅩ͇͚̱̤͖̮̲́̉ͥ͑͡ꅪ̵̰̣͌̇͆ͩꅫ̼̠̜͎̤̯͆ͯ̐͛ͯꅬ̥̟̫̟̹̦̬̥̽̈̈́ͪꅭ̾͊͐̂͂ͧ́̀҉͍̭̝͎̬̩ꅮ̬̟̥͕̪̤̤̘͒ͤ̌̾͜ꅯ͚̥̣̟́̆̾͢ꅰ̨̧͈̙̩͖̫͍͈̯̺ͥ̽͊ͯ͑̅͝ꅱ̴̫͓̖̤͙͉̯̭̏ͫͨ̎͂̃̒́̇́ꅲ̷̞͖̼̉͒̀ꅳ̷͈̥̋̇̾ꅴ̲̖̐̽ꅵ̪̝̩̟͍͍̭̇̑ͧͪͭ̽̿́́͜ꅶ̢̿́̌͂҉̴̲̲̗̪̜̫̝̦ꅷͬͫͨͭͪ҉̡̝̦̦͔͠ꅸ͕͎̝͉̪͒͂ͯ͑̆̀̚̕ꅹ̣͎̩̭͎̼ͨ̔̍͋́ͬ̕͢ꅺ̷̖̟̭̖̯̟̍̈̋̀̎ͨ̀̀ꅻ̤ͩ̈͊̇̇͢ꅼ̭͔̜̤̤̰͎̮ͨ͂̕͡ꅽ̵̡̠̟̗͓̼͓̞͕̑͊̇̒ͯͅꅾ͂͑͏̢̳̬͕̦ꅿ̻̻ͪͭ̂ͧ̃ꆀ̿ͯ̍ͣ͗̋̚͏͔ꆁ͖̘̬̘͖̣̥͎̖ͩ͑̐̇͑͆ͦ̐̿̀́ꆂ̴̸̭͇̘̭̥͔̉ͫ͋͐̒ͬͩ̚ͅꆃ̨̹̗̙̳͍̟̹̅̊ͭ͑̒͟ͅꆄ̛̰̮̹̼̠̣̦͇͋ͩ̊ͬ̿̌ͥ̓͜ꆅ̳̞͚̖̞͕̙ͪ͒̓ꆆ̷̡͓͕̮͉̺̗̬̄̉͊͒̔̆̐ͅꆇ̶͓͉͎̝̘͊͒̂̃̓͗̀͢ͅꆈ̲͚̮̣̟̩̪̭̄ͭ̄͒̇́ꆉ̭̗̘̟͛ͧ̍̂͊ͯͤ̆͠ͅꆊ̵͔͔ͮ̊̔̀ꆋ̸̧͖̞͍̻̿͢ꆌ̷̢̜͚͕͇̼ͥͣ̚ꆍ̉̿͐͏͖͙͕̼̞͇̖ꆎ̶̧̮͖̹͎̠̣̉̾ꆏ̴͚̝̩̀ͮͯͯ̒͐͂

͎̹̥̥̰̃͛͂͛̓͌̆͟͞ꆸ͇͚ͨ̆̇̔ꆹ̗̜̼͍̲͋̃͑ꆺ̛̦͖̦̹̗̭̒͑ꆻ̜̖̲͉̘ͬͨͥͫ̔́ͩ̍ꆼͥͭ́̑̄̓ͩͯͪ̀҉̬̱͜ͅꆽ̸̜͎̗̤̘̤͒ꆾ̵̡̻̱͕͓ͨ̒͆͌̉ꆿ̥͕̖͙̭̜ͭͦ̄ͬ͑ͨ̈ꇀ̸̶̪̳͎͌͒͒ꇁ̳̼͆̒ͭ͜͝ꇂ̪̯̱͓ͫͭ̌͌̇̈̽ꇃ̢̛͈̼̘̖̒͜ꇄ̢̓ͤ̌̿̆̏̔̚̚͏͔̯ꇅ̜̜͈̰̺̰͍̩͂̆ͅꇆ̵̜̮͈͔ͪ̉̈͊ͥͭ̑͘ꇇ̊̂̋҉̵̨̦̠̻̤ꇈ̨͇̰̹̞͕ͦ̅͑ͅꇉ̯̾ͩ̽ꇊ̪̱̟͇̞͈̞̦̤̊̓͊̿̊ͦ͝͡ꇋ̵̲̜̯̱̋̎ͫ́ꇌ̵͔͖͌̔̽͐̈́ͯ̈́͜ꇍ̟̰̞̪́̍ͣͭ̃̆̌̎ꇎ̛͖̼̖͍̱̟̖͎̓͊̈́̋̿͠ꇏ̷ͫ͋҉̺͍͎̫͔͔͖ꇐ̞̳̻̬͖ͤ̾̊ͣ͂̆̅̉̕͞ꇑ̧̣̩̳͔͓͓̋ͧ̆̂ͯ̄͗ͦ́ꇒ̖̬̼͕̽̀̌͐͞͞͡ͅꇓ̳̗̩̰͙͎̥͔̅ͩ̇̀͡ꇔ̞͔̺̼͚͈̮͇ͮ̆ͪ̄̓̚ꇕ̻̲͇̪̥͔̊͗̽ͧ̋̊̀́͝ͅꇖ̸̵̧̞̫͇̞̩̝̩͔͒͗͂̄͗ͮ̚ꇗ̒ͭ͏̢̹͚̹̖̼̻ꇘ̢͔̲͔̩͙̱͙͎̐̄̏̉̊͐͡͡ꇙ̲̹̭̘̹̤̬̱͔̓ͫ̒͑͆ͬ͟͝ꇚ̱̥̜̫̥ͨ̒ͤ͋ͥ͜͠ꇛ̶̼̙̭̜̯ͭ̑̾̇͌̂ͦ̉ͣꇜ̜̩̪̩̱̍ͮ͘ꇝ̙̗͌͆ꇞ̹̣̗ͣͬͧ̉͐̓ͩ́́͞ꇟ̬͓̦͇̣̱͔̰̦̅̑̌

̧̤̟ͮ͒̓̌͜ꇠ̯̠̑ͧ̈͢ꇡ̼͂̾̄ͫ͂͑ꇢ̴̸̜̫͙̬̣ͦ̾ͨ̆̅͠ꇣ̴̗͈̐͛̂̒̈́͘ꇤ̰͕͍̖̜ͨ̂̕ꇥ̴͈͇͍͓͛ͫͯꇦ̵̯͕̭͈̞̬̾ͪͤ͂̌̊́͡ͅꇧ̗̓͜͟ꇨ͇̯̩̩͔͉̥̎̐ͨ̀͜ꇩ͚̦͖͉̟̟͖̉̃̊ͯͩꇪ̛̖͚̟̩͇ͨͬ̄̊͂̑ꇫ̷̸̛͎̺̱̻̯̠͂ͬ͐̄̅ͅͅꇬ̤̝͊̀͢͝ꇭ̡̪̘̍̉̈́͑ͮ͆ͣ̿͠ꇮ̡̫̳̬̣̯͔̀ͬͧ̄̊̚̕͝ꇯ͓̪͕ͧ͋ͮ͂͛̋͛̀͟ꇰ͇̩̺̳̰̫̏ꇱ̧̞̝̦̩ͭ̇̑ͭͬ̊ͦ͝͠ꇲ͇͚̮̐̍̂ͯͦ͐̿͂ꇳ̮̝̯͒̄ͥ͐̍ͤ́ꇴͪͩ̎͒ͬ̒̅̇҉̟̺͈̺ꇵ̧͈̬̫͓͙͕̍ꇶ̴̡͈͙̳̺͉͐͑͝ꇷ͔̘͙̠̘͈̇̒͂ͤ̅ꇸ̭͓̯̻ͮ̚̕͝ꇹ̄̓ͥ̍͊͒̑̆͏͉ꇺ̱̬̱̠̼̱̌ͧͣ͂̽͊ͨꇻ̟̭̮͈̜͗͊̉ͯͩ͟ꇼ͕͈͇ͮ̇͋ͪ̓ꇽ̴̦͖͍͒̐̂̚ꇾ̵̩̝͚̰̰̞͒̓ͦͯ̔͆͂̽͢ꇿ̴̶͚̣̺͕ͤͣ̍ͩ̂̈́͛̓͘ꈀ̘̻͇͖̟̺̝̐͒̀ͤ͝ͅꈁ͚͙ͣ̂͜ꈂ̘̫̳̹͈̫̝̫̩̏̽̂͗͗̅̄̓̀ꈃ̦̬͚̖͔̬͇̓̈́͒̿̾ͮ͛̽ꈄ͍̰͍͚̹̲ͧ̿̉̄̀͑̐͘͠ꈅ̃ͫ̒ͪ҉̤͔̯̹̦̯̘̝ꈆ̖̜͈͈͔̞̘̀͞ꈇ̅̇̄͏͕̜͚̠̪͉̬͠

̛͇͇̝̰̗͍̙ͩ̒͊̾͘ꈈ̧͍̜̣̙̯ͨ̓͐ꈉ̗̪̘̥͊͛̿ͩ̃ͪ͆͢ꈊ̼̥͔̦͚̯͙ͬ̇ͥ͊ͩ̐͛̆͡ꈋ̨̹̗͍ͫ̈́͂͑̋̆̃͒̾͡ꈌ̵̵͚̘͔̖̞̬̭͐̾͑ͬͩ̊̚ꈍ̨̨̢͔̖͓͚̻̘̮̙̾͋̄̾̀͛̔ͪꈎ̷͈̗̆̒̓̌ͮͪ̾̚ͅꈏ̶͉̙̭̗͙͙͌̂ͮͧ̆̈́̕͟ͅꈐ̴̜̫̫̲͇͙͖̮̩́̊ꈑ̬̝̣̪̘ͨ̽̈͗̈͋̋ꈒ̦̯̂͟ꈓ̳ͭ͌̃ͨ̀͢ꈔͭͪ͊͏҉̭͍͕̘̼̻̲ꈕ̞͚̤ͤ̐́ͧ͋̃͐͂ꈖ̷̱͌̈́͟͡ꈗ̛͎͓̹̏̑ꈘ̜ͦ̓ͪͣͧͭ͠ꈙ̸̝ͥͤ̐̐̎ꈚ̢̜̤̌̀͘ꈛ̵͍̞͙̼͇͕̤̖ͬ̽̏͆͋ͧ̕ꈜ͕̗̈ͮ̌ͬ̌̿͞ͅꈝ̛͇̼̲̬̠͕͇͗̾̄̆͒̿̿̎ꈞ̤ͬͥͫͩ͊͗ꈟ̨̼̜͐̅̇ͬ̋̎͐̚ͅꈠ̈́̿̒͗̀̚͞͏̤͈͔̲̩ꈡ̢͇̲̭̬̣̃̇̑͒ꈢ̞͔̻̠̈͊ͨ͘ꈣ͇́̏ͩꈤ̶̢̙̠̹̫̮̝͔̳͒ꈥ̴̘̣̳̲̺̺̲͍̮̀̊ͭ́̊̃̏͜͞ꈦ̿͐̐̆̎҉̨̞̹͈̗̙ꈧ̳̖͔̊̓ͭͪ͑̈́̈ꈨ̴̬̖̯͉̯̫̺̈́̓̒ͨ̌͒ꈩ̜̬̖͖̳͖͖̌̓̂ͮͯͩ̀̚̕͠ꈪ̛͛̓ͤ̇̐͏̖͓ꈫ̗̝͔̞͉̻̟̞̆̂̏̊ꈬ̼̈̈̂̾̎̑̍́̀̚̚ꈭ̷̵̙͉̘͛̌͑ꈮ̘̳͇̞̦̥̫̗̌ͥ̾ꈯ̼̙͓͎̖̟ͩ͐ͫ͌̓̚̕̕͠

ͭ͌̓͌̽͊҉͈̙̫͝ꈰ̵̜͓͎̱͖͎̃̍͐͋̋͒̑̎͟͞ꈱ̶̱̯͍͎͖̿̂̓ͦͩ̎ͪ͘ꈲ̷̗̋͊̉ͦ̇̈́̑ͪꈳ̧͈̦̫̀̄̄͋ͮͣ̌͟͡ꈴ̸̬̺̯̣̦̳͗̑͛ͪͮ͆̃̀ꈵͫ͡҉̳̱̞̬͍ꈶ̡̫̥͇͕͚͚̗̈́ꈷ͒̊͒ͭͭ̂͗͊ͭ͏̶̞͙͢ꈸ̶̨̫̦͈͚̦̳͖ͩ̄̐̐̈͒̌ͯꈹ͓̝ͦ͢͜ꈺ̴̙̮̱̫ͨ̎̉̓̔̋̆̀̚͜ꈻ͖̞̰̩̹̊͑̐̕̕ꈼ͎̜̄ͭ̈́̎̋̾̈́ꈽ̮̖͇̬̱ͮ͛ͯ̒ͤ͒͞ꈾ̴̥̑ͮͪͣ̊̚ꈿ̛̣͉̘͚̘͙͇̆ͤ͡ꉀ̢̡͚̥̱͗ͭ̓ͫ̋͗ꉁ̨̼̰̱͔̤̲͇͇̑͂ͅꉂ͙̮̭̍͠͡ꉃ̴̠̞͍̦̥̫͖̈́̂͊̄̋̍̌̆͞ꉄ̈̈̓ͥ̐͑͛̚͏̠̭̩̳͎̦͈ꉅ͍̬̤̆ͭ͒̃̔ͫ̈́͢͠ꉆ̷͙̗̯͈̪̺ͤ̋̃ꉇ̘͈̩̗͎̪̗͍̽̏͠ꉈ̫̳̫̜̟͐̄̊̋̀̂̀͡ͅꉉ̷͉̟ͣ̾͠ꉊ̶̵̻̤̝͕͉͉ͪ̍ͧ̉̏ͩ͐̀̆ꉋ̨̗̤̪̟̣̣̏ͧͥͦ̉͂ꉌ̶ͤ̍̈́ͣ͟͏̻̙̮ꉍ̳̪̣͉̎̓̔̌̌̏̋ͪꉎ̶̰͇̭̟̱͇̺̹̍̀ꉏ̹͉̻͖͚ͧ̌͢ꉐ̬̼̝̾ͩ͡ꉑͤ̎̑҉̢̦͇͈ꉒ̡͖̦̤̋ꉓ̡̘͈̑ꉔ̨̰͎͑ͩ̽̑ͨ͂͢ꉕ̠̂ͬ̊́̏͢͠ꉖ̆̈́҉̻̖͖̭͘ͅꉗ̦̘̝̻̪̣̣̮ͨ̒̂͗̀̒ͮͨ̚͞

Just checking how this looks when quoted!? 😃

Svetlovska

Premier UK heavyweight news show BBC Radio 4 Today just covered it. ‘Intact’ and ‘partially intact’ extraterrestrial vehicles have been recovered, reportedly. The ‘whistleblower’ seems legit. Fast forward to 7:23 on the feed below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

So let’s recap: AI apocalypse. Eco apocalypse. Pandemic apocalypse. Bioweapon apocalypse. Now: Alien apocalypse. All credible, all possibly about to happen, or already under way.

Anyone get the feeling that the teenage god running the Matrix simulation we all live in is getting bored? Like when you release the Kaiju on your Sim City?

cyberheater

@Svetlovska said:
BBC Radio 4 Today programme just covered it. ‘Intact’ and ‘partially intact’ extraterrestrial vehicles have been recovered, reportedly. The ‘whistleblower’ seems legit. Fast forward to 7:23 on the feed below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

Thanks Svetlovska

NeuM

@Svetlovska said:
Premier UK heavyweight news show BBC Radio 4 Today just covered it. ‘Intact’ and ‘partially intact’ extraterrestrial vehicles have been recovered, reportedly. The ‘whistleblower’ seems legit. Fast forward to 7:23 on the feed below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

So let’s recap: AI apocalypse. Eco apocalypse. Pandemic apocalypse. Bioweapon apocalypse. Now: alien apocalypse. All credible, all possibly about to happen, or already under way.

Anyone get the feeling that the teenage god running the Matrix simulation we all live in is getting bored? Like when you release the Kaiju on your Sim City?

Unless anyone, literally anyone, produces physical evidence which can be examined and not a bunch of stories, you can pretty much assume these people are all liars.

sevenape

@Svetlovska said:
Premier UK heavyweight news show BBC Radio 4 Today just covered it. ‘Intact’ and ‘partially intact’ extraterrestrial vehicles have been recovered, reportedly. The ‘whistleblower’ seems legit. Fast forward to 7:23 on the feed below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

So let’s recap: AI apocalypse. Eco apocalypse. Pandemic apocalypse. Bioweapon apocalypse. Now: Alien apocalypse. All credible, all possibly about to happen, or already under way.

Anyone get the feeling that the teenage god running the Matrix simulation we all live in is getting bored? Like when you release the Kaiju on your Sim City?

Thanks @Svetlovska!!! It's really gaining momentum

Svetlovska

Ah, yes, @NeuM, but ‘assume’ makes an ass out of u and me. (Full disclosure: I believe everything and nothing. Old detective habit.)

sevenape

It's hit Benzinga!

sevenape

Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/07/ufos-made-with-non-human-materials-found-by-us/

[Deleted User]

.> @NeuM said:

Unless anyone, literally anyone, produces physical evidence which can be examined and not a bunch of stories, you can pretty much assume these people are all liars.

Liars is a bit strong. If there isn’t physical evidence to back their claims up, then it could be they’ve been deliberately misled to destroy any credibility they might have for other, genuine insider info. Gullible, maybe, but until it’s proven either way there is also zero evidence that they are lying.

I’ve seen stuff floating and zooming around the hills here that can’t be explained, but I didn’t manage to grab one and bring it to the finds table. Doesn’t make me a liar.

NeuM

@monz0id said:
.> @NeuM said:

Unless anyone, literally anyone, produces physical evidence which can be examined and not a bunch of stories, you can pretty much assume these people are all liars.

Liars is a bit strong. If there isn’t physical evidence to back their claims up, then it could be they’ve been deliberately misled to destroy any credibility they might have for other, genuine insider info. Gullible, maybe, but until it’s proven either way there is also zero evidence that they are lying.

I’ve seen stuff floating and zooming around the hills here that can’t be explained, but I didn’t manage to grab one and bring it to the finds table. Doesn’t make me a liar.

But this isn't about you, it's about people who are more often than not selling books, newsletters and tickets to conferences. They're hucksters.

sevenape

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:
.> @NeuM said:

Unless anyone, literally anyone, produces physical evidence which can be examined and not a bunch of stories, you can pretty much assume these people are all liars.

Liars is a bit strong. If there isn’t physical evidence to back their claims up, then it could be they’ve been deliberately misled to destroy any credibility they might have for other, genuine insider info. Gullible, maybe, but until it’s proven either way there is also zero evidence that they are lying.

I’ve seen stuff floating and zooming around the hills here that can’t be explained, but I didn’t manage to grab one and bring it to the finds table. Doesn’t make me a liar.

But this isn't about you, it's about people who are more often than not selling books, newsletters and tickets to conferences. They're hucksters.

Lying under oath now though, and multiple people too

[Deleted User]

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:
.> @NeuM said:

Unless anyone, literally anyone, produces physical evidence which can be examined and not a bunch of stories, you can pretty much assume these people are all liars.

Liars is a bit strong. If there isn’t physical evidence to back their claims up, then it could be they’ve been deliberately misled to destroy any credibility they might have for other, genuine insider info. Gullible, maybe, but until it’s proven either way there is also zero evidence that they are lying.

I’ve seen stuff floating and zooming around the hills here that can’t be explained, but I didn’t manage to grab one and bring it to the finds table. Doesn’t make me a liar.

But this isn't about you, it's about people who are more often than not selling books, newsletters and tickets to conferences. They're hucksters.

The bit about me was for added context. The main gist of my comment is that you have no ptoof they are liars, or as you now say, hucksters.

That would need to be proven, just as evidence would need to be provided to confirm their comments are true.

At this stage, we just don’t know.

NeuM

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:
.> @NeuM said:

Unless anyone, literally anyone, produces physical evidence which can be examined and not a bunch of stories, you can pretty much assume these people are all liars.

Liars is a bit strong. If there isn’t physical evidence to back their claims up, then it could be they’ve been deliberately misled to destroy any credibility they might have for other, genuine insider info. Gullible, maybe, but until it’s proven either way there is also zero evidence that they are lying.

I’ve seen stuff floating and zooming around the hills here that can’t be explained, but I didn’t manage to grab one and bring it to the finds table. Doesn’t make me a liar.

But this isn't about you, it's about people who are more often than not selling books, newsletters and tickets to conferences. They're hucksters.

The bit about me was for added context. The main gist of my comment is that you have no ptoof they are liars, or as you now say, hucksters.

That would need to be proven, just as evidence would need to be provided to confirm their comments are true.

At this stage, we just don’t know.

Know how to find out if someone is a huckster? Look at their claims, look at their evidence and then look at what they're selling. If you see a lot of evidence-free claims and they're selling something, odds are high that you've got a huckster.

AlterEgo_UK

Did anyone see this? NASA organised a high level meeting to discuss UAPs with various experts prior to an upcoming report. Here is the full, very long meeting:

https://www.youtube.com/live/oOFv7zF9JAA?feature=share

Or an brief overview here

Or, even shorter: they are treating UAPs seriously but say they don’t have enough quality data to reach a definitive conclusion just yet.

[Deleted User]

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:
.> @NeuM said:

Unless anyone, literally anyone, produces physical evidence which can be examined and not a bunch of stories, you can pretty much assume these people are all liars.

Liars is a bit strong. If there isn’t physical evidence to back their claims up, then it could be they’ve been deliberately misled to destroy any credibility they might have for other, genuine insider info. Gullible, maybe, but until it’s proven either way there is also zero evidence that they are lying.

I’ve seen stuff floating and zooming around the hills here that can’t be explained, but I didn’t manage to grab one and bring it to the finds table. Doesn’t make me a liar.

But this isn't about you, it's about people who are more often than not selling books, newsletters and tickets to conferences. They're hucksters.

The bit about me was for added context. The main gist of my comment is that you have no ptoof they are liars, or as you now say, hucksters.

That would need to be proven, just as evidence would need to be provided to confirm their comments are true.

At this stage, we just don’t know.

Know how to find out if someone is a huckster? Look at their claims, look at their evidence and then look at what they're selling. If you see a lot of evidence-free claims and they're selling something, odds are high that you've got a huckster.

A bit like when numerous sources claimed there was a secret government department studying UFO’s/UAP’s, denied for decades, that turned out to be true?

Svetlovska

What I find interesting about the ‘whistleblower’ Grey is that a) he is apparently a member of the intelligence community, and investigating this stuff was literally his job; and b) he has made similar statements officially to the US government in circumstances which mean he would render himself liable to prosecution if he was indeed lying. Difficult to see what the upside would be for him in that. Of course, it is not impossible he is mentally ill, but still… ‘Cui bono?’ is always a good question to hone your Occam’s razor on.

echoopera

And now for something completely different:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mysterious-universe/id329937558?i=1000614624780

Episode Description Snippet:
“On this episode we explore the emergence of a peculiar force that shaped a series of significant events throughout the 20th century, aiming to introduce a new eon and transform humanity. This enigmatic intelligence reached out to influential figures in the realm of esotericism, propelling the counter-culture movement, political ideologies, hallucinogenic drug use, and even rock music.”

I love the Mysterious Universe Podcast. It has a modern Robert Anton Wilson high strangeness goodness vibe to it, which others on this thread should enjoy.

Darn it. I really wish that this post was the start of Page 23 on this thread…R.A.W. would have laughed out loud from the other side 😉

BTW i found the Reddit page with a link to the Gateway Experience and CIA Documentation if that’s of interest as well here. It’s not little green men, but it’s just as wild and woo as all the other stuff on this thread.

Just let me know.

Anyhoo back to sampling Art Bell shows in Radio Unit auv3 for inclusion in my Logic Pro for iPad explorations 👊🏼🎚️

Simon

@sevenape said:
I mean the witness testimony is pretty overwhelming, perhaps these dozens of people are all in on it. Including air traffic control and police and firemen.

Just because large numbers of people claim something doesn't mean it is true (many claim that Trump won the election).

I've always been interested in what happened here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

I was impressed by stories of "Yogic Flying" until I saw the video:

Simon

@NeuM said:
But this isn't about you, it's about people who are more often than not selling books, newsletters and tickets to conferences. They're hucksters.

Yes, there's a whole UFO indu$try out there.

Krupa

I wish this did more for me than make me think even more solidly that it’s in the U.S. military’s interest to have is all think they have super cool shit from another world so don’t mess with the best etc etc… the big powers traditionally lined themselves up with gods or other supernatural inexplicable phenomena, the weather, the seasons before that, and UAP disinformation is simply the equivalent in the ‘age of reason’/ scientific era…

(Don’t get me wrong, I’d love all this to be true but I don’t feel like our first contact stuff will be anything like this scenario, though I keep an open mind…)

sevenape

@Simon said:

@sevenape said:
I mean the witness testimony is pretty overwhelming, perhaps these dozens of people are all in on it. Including air traffic control and police and firemen.

Just because large numbers of people claim something doesn't mean it is true (many claim that Trump won the election).

I've always been interested in what happened here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

I was impressed by stories of "Yogic Flying" until I saw the video:

that's just ridiculous! ( the yogic flying video)

you are right of course, and that's why whistleblowers and hard data are needed for disclosure. I'm just saying that the reviewer was unreasonably bitter in his assessment... What did he expect... a picture of the aliens on the Whitehouse lawn? Of course, this is a fringe subject and up for a lot of conjecture and also it is open to a lot of bad-faith actors to take advantage. But I don't believe James Fox is one of them. It wasn't a documentary claiming to expose everything without doubt, it was a look at how this event changed the lives of those who experienced it.

We will see... and I'm sure of that... in the near future what the truth is about Varginha.

knewspeak

@Svetlovska said:
Premier UK heavyweight news show BBC Radio 4 Today just covered it. ‘Intact’ and ‘partially intact’ extraterrestrial vehicles have been recovered, reportedly. The ‘whistleblower’ seems legit. Fast forward to 7:23 on the feed below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

So let’s recap: AI apocalypse. Eco apocalypse. Pandemic apocalypse. Bioweapon apocalypse. Now: Alien apocalypse. All credible, all possibly about to happen, or already under way.

Anyone get the feeling that the teenage god running the Matrix simulation we all live in is getting bored? Like when you release the Kaiju on your Sim City?

You’ve forgotten Wormwood, those horsemen are saddled and ready.

knewspeak

@AlterEgo_UK said:
Did anyone see this? NASA organised a high level meeting to discuss UAPs with various experts prior to an upcoming report. Here is the full, very long meeting:

https://www.youtube.com/live/oOFv7zF9JAA?feature=share

Or an brief overview here

Or, even shorter: they are treating UAPs seriously but say they don’t have enough quality data to reach a definitive conclusion just yet.

If taken from @NeuM definition of undeniable proof, which could be how high the bar is set, would mean possession of a physical ‘craft’ or EBE or maybe both.

knewspeak

@Simon said:

@NeuM said:
But this isn't about you, it's about people who are more often than not selling books, newsletters and tickets to conferences. They're hucksters.

Yes, there's a whole UFO indu$try out there.

You’re in Australia aren’t you, seek the elders and ask them about it, I don’t think they’re hucksters out to make a buck, I believe it’s their ancient sacred mythology.

cyberheater

Apparently it’s going to hit the NYT this weekend. They are taking a slow approach and gathering a lot of sources.
Massive if true.

Simon

@knewspeak said:
You’re in Australia aren’t you, seek the elders and ask them about it, I don’t think they’re hucksters out to make a buck, I believe it’s their ancient sacred mythology.

Yeah, but I am not really after more myths, stories, legends. More interested in facts and hard evidence.

Simon

@Krupa said:
I wish this did more for me than make me think even more solidly that it’s in the U.S. military’s interest to have is all think they have super cool shit from another world so don’t mess with the best etc etc… the big powers traditionally lined themselves up with gods or other supernatural inexplicable phenomena, the weather, the seasons before that, and UAP disinformation is simply the equivalent in the ‘age of reason’/ scientific era…

Very good point.

(Don’t get me wrong, I’d love all this to be true but I don’t feel like our first contact stuff will be anything like this scenario, though I keep an open mind…)

My problem is that you go under the oceans on Earth and you get all these weird and wonderful creatures.

Yet, some these aliens from way, way away seem to be very human: standing upright, 5 or 6 foot tall, 2 arms, 2 legs, head with 2 eyes etc..

And they travel in these metal craft that are a bit like something an Earthman might design and make. Metal machines that fly in the air like aeroplanes (how primative).

It is all a bit too much like a sci-fi book or movie.

I would expect real aliens to be totally different to us: maybe made of gas, or radio waves, maybe tiny in size, or huge in size.

But I am open to whatever is delivered with some actual evidence. Evidence that can be properly examined.