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Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?
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Don’t get in a muddle it’s a drying puddle.
Wow, such arrogance to presume nothing equally or further evolved than ourselves could exist in the realm of the known universe that could better understand the nature of it, to possibly traverse it’s expanse in ways we are yet or may never understand.
Whistleblower David Grusch may have an amazing CV and all the credentials,
and I may just believe there's truth in his message...
But I get such weird vibes from watching his delivery, in the same way as when I see Stephen Greer.
And that's not a good thing.
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At least he is distancing himself from Greer... both of them together would be insufferable... and too many tight shirts in one place
But your proof already exists, the testimony, photos, videos and so on, they’re possibly too much.
But certain themes seem to recur amongst the accounts, they aren’t happy ones, but we already know of them ourselves, yet do absolutely nothing except rush ever faster to that destiny.
The so-called "proof" is low quality and people seeing "something" or photographing "something" doesn't explain or prove what it is.
I agree, but hopefully the testimony could be corroborated, as for Greer hoping an Alien civilisation would give us technology to solve all our problems is in my opinion ridiculous, aside from ourselves using that tech for our favourite hobby of exterminating one another, it would render our choice in saving ourselves, learning from our mistakes and so on mute.
Until such a time I think we are to be contained and observed. That’s of course if they exist and are here.
True about the images but the testimony varies in quality, some from very credible sources, which would be highly respected in any court of law.
Just a hunch, but maybe the ‘low quality’ images are due to the fact most people, certainly not before fancy mobile phones turned up, don’t wander around at night with top-spec SLR cameras equipped with large, high-powered telephoto lenses. At least, not if they want to avoid being arrested.
Yes plus the shape of the UFO’s are often quite ambiguous in description, no wing’s, jet engine and so on, even if one was really quite close with the best equipment without any discernible features on the object, it would still be difficult to determine what it is.
I had hoped that with billions of phone cameras out there for the last 10-15 years there would now be some good photos or footage of UFOs but not so.
Look on YouTube and just about every other thing happening on Earth is documented on video: car crashes, volcanoes, people falling off ladders, train crashes, animal attacks, icebergs breaking apart... but no good UFO clips.
try taking a pic of a plane at night with your phone. Mobile phones are still incredibly shit at night photos and true high detail pictures. They use a mix of sharpening and blending differently exposed photos to combat this, not great for things far away or in the dark that are moving.
Yes, of course.
But over the years (pre-mobile phone) there were lots of day time reports and reports of abductions.
People spoke to the aliens. They got up close to the craft. The kind of accounts where people said the UFO was "silver with no weld marks or seams, and it has round windows with a figure inside and leanding gear underneath" - really clear, detailed reports. If those people had camreas we'd have some great footage.
But I guess it is the same with Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster. Lots of accounts over the years but in the modern "camera phone era" no nice piccys (not that I'm putting Nessy and Big Foot in the same catagory as UFOs).
This ^
I tried taking a photo of a not-moving, full moon the other night in a cloudless night sky with my iPhone 12. The resulting fuzzy blob could have been anything. When I witnessed objects in the skies a few decades ago, unsurprisingly I didn’t have my SLR camera with me, even if I had they’d be even worse quality than my iPhone moon shots.
Sceptics will never be satisfied. Show them a perfectly shot, fully detailed picture of a craft and it’ll be dismissed as ‘too good’ - Photoshopped, or nowadays - AI.
Waste of time debating this stuff with closed minds.
The "closed minds" being the people who are adament that the UFOs are from outer space or the "closed minds" being the people who don't think they are ETs...?
Might be a few closed minds on both sides.
Photographs or videos (blurry or sharp) don't prove anything.
What is needed is for governments to come out and say "this is real" and for them to allow scientific and medical people to examine what they have.
Where did I state UFO’s came from outer space, piloted by ET’s?
I never said you did.
You referred to "debating this stuff".
I took "this stuff" to mean the whole "UFOs are from outer space and aliens are here" discussion in general.
Another interesting case
Well then you took it wrong. My comment was in response to a discussion about taking photos of unidentified objects, and even shown "a perfectly shot, fully detailed picture of a craft" would be dismissed as fake.
Nothing there about 'outer space and aliens'.
Like I said, closed minds. Some of us can acknowledge unidentified reports as encompasing a whole range of explanations.
I keep hearing the idea of another species. This kind of points to something terrestrial which I find quite bizarre. I wonder where they’ve been hiding and did they come first?
Warnings from the future perhaps?
The Earth is a big place. If there is a more advanced, gentler species here then there’s plenty of places they can hide. Particularly if they are being aided by governments. Look at the state of us - who wouldn’t want to keep a distance?
I’m a total sceptic, but I don’t get any weird vibes from his delivery here:
Seems totally compus mentis. Plus he faces jail time if found to be lying. Apparently his superiors’ report from a year or so ago mentions him as having the highest possible moral compass
https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/
Unless this debrief report is lying. Overall he comes across to me as very credible. Color me intrigued!
Remember that the ‘Tic Tac’ sightings/footage of objects often concerned things emerging from, skimming over, or diving into water. There’s a lot of down, down there.
Also, may I recommend the approach of Charles Forte to these matters, a flavour of radical uncertainty. Fact, science and ‘common sense’ clearly all have their place, but when advocates operating from this position are forced by phenomena to push their explanations into pretzels as marvellous as their woo-residing opponents, it may be time to widen the remit. As the great man himself has it:
“People with a psychological need to believe in marvels are no more prejudiced and gullible than people with a psychological need not to believe in marvels.”
The only thing about this that raises a flag is that if you were a government who need to orchestrate a whistleblower disclosure then you’d pick someone who is beyond reproach and who exudes confidence in everything he’s saying exactly like this guy does. I do think this is a US government sanctioned leak.
May be! Time will tell…or not, lol
If this is true it would more than likely entail a cover-up than was larger than just being contained to the USA. If this is pure disinformation it is a campaign that dwarfs any other. Surely any opponent, given the longevity of this narrative would have to know it as disinformation, unless it’s all purpose is to keep it’s own citizens in a perplexed state. As we all know the USA hasn’t been the only nation investigating and keeping secret UFO/UAP investigation.
Gonna have to disagree I'm afraid. My spidey senses are well and truly provoked by this guy.
Like I said, I'm inclined to believe there's truth in the subject, and nothing personal against the guy, but something's not right in his delivery. For me, that is. Can't put my finger on it, but I'll have to trust my own instincts over those of others.
Certainly intriguing though.
.> @cyberheater said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies
Which plays very nicely into my theory that this is all a very nicely played bluff of the highest degree. It has only taken a few well placed rumours and misdirections to let everyone believe that Uncle Sam possesses the keys to the mysteries. So, at a time of global uncertainty and looming conflict, who wouldn’t want to be the baddest looking guy in town?