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Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?

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  • @SpookyZoo said:

    @Gavinski said:

    I’m a total sceptic, but I don’t get any weird vibes from his delivery here:

    Gonna have to disagree I'm afraid. My spidey senses are well and truly provoked by this guy.

    Like I said, I'm inclined to believe there's truth in the subject, and nothing personal against the guy, but something's not right in his delivery. For me, that is. Can't put my finger on it, but I'll have to trust my own instincts over those of others.

    Certainly intriguing though.

    I get the same feeling although mostly his body language seems correct, but that can be faked, but to truly judge you would need a baseline of his normal behaviour as well as an unedited version of the interview, where you see a better reaction to the questions.

  • @SpookyZoo said:

    @Gavinski said:

    I’m a total sceptic, but I don’t get any weird vibes from his delivery here:

    Gonna have to disagree I'm afraid. My spidey senses are well and truly provoked by this guy.

    Like I said, I'm inclined to believe there's truth in the subject, and nothing personal against the guy, but something's not right in his delivery. For me, that is. Can't put my finger on it, but I'll have to trust my own instincts over those of others.

    Certainly intriguing though.

    He is a military guy, so I expect a certain ‘woodiness’, as I would from someone described as having a high moral compass - what does that even mean in the context of the military, a state sanctioned killing machine where people are trained to obey orders that may, to many outsiders, appear as highly immoral. But yes, don’t ignore your spidey sense. This reminds me of the recent conversation about Sadhguru, who strikes me as a huckster, straight up, but to others is god on earth.

  • @monz0id said:
    Well then you took it wrong. My comment was in response to a discussion about taking photos of unidentified objects, and even shown "a perfectly shot, fully detailed picture of a craft" would be dismissed as fake.

    That's ok. No harm done.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @Gavinski said:

    I’m a total sceptic, but I don’t get any weird vibes from his delivery here:

    Gonna have to disagree I'm afraid. My spidey senses are well and truly provoked by this guy.

    Like I said, I'm inclined to believe there's truth in the subject, and nothing personal against the guy, but something's not right in his delivery. For me, that is. Can't put my finger on it, but I'll have to trust my own instincts over those of others.

    Certainly intriguing though.

    I get the same feeling although mostly his body language seems correct, but that can be faked, but to truly judge you would need a baseline of his normal behaviour as well as an unedited version of the interview, where you see a better reaction to the questions.

    You can’t judge the validity of what he’s saying just by body language, or looking a bit shifty (I think he does).

    I remember when I was a kid, my mum asking me if I’d taken 50p from her purse. I hadn’t, but for some reason I smirked, shifted about, avoided eye-contact, and behaved exactly like I’d been caught red-handed. Just the weirdness of the situation, probably.

    Later she remembered she’d spent it something previously, and apologised for accusing me of nicking it, but scalded me for “looking so guilty!”.

    Could be the same for him - nervousness, or maybe he’s just a bit weird like me.

  • @Simon said:

    @monz0id said:
    Well then you took it wrong. My comment was in response to a discussion about taking photos of unidentified objects, and even shown "a perfectly shot, fully detailed picture of a craft" would be dismissed as fake.

    That's ok. No harm done.

    Interesting how you make that sound like you’re accepting an apology from me, rather than the other way around.

  • @monz0id said:
    Interesting how you make that sound like you’re accepting an apology from me, rather than the other way around.

    That's not what I meant. You took it wrong.

  • Indeed! I had a major problem in my schooldays of breaking into muffled laughter when it was highly inappropriate. One instance sticks out - a classmate’s younger brother had died tragically. The teacher had informed us of this and we had to say a prayer for him, as a class. I didn’t think it was funny, but had an uncontrollable urge to laugh - which of course I suppressed, but was highly obvious nevertheless. The more I felt I shouldn’t be laughing, the more I wanted to laugh. I also had the same problem sometimes when we had to take turns at reading in English class. The fact that the schoolmate sitting behind me would often try to kick my private parts while reading didn’t help, lol.

    When I make a YT vid, I have to ask my gf to leave the room - her being there would make me far too self-conscious, even though she has the sweetest personality you could ask for.

    @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @Gavinski said:

    I’m a total sceptic, but I don’t get any weird vibes from his delivery here:

    Gonna have to disagree I'm afraid. My spidey senses are well and truly provoked by this guy.

    Like I said, I'm inclined to believe there's truth in the subject, and nothing personal against the guy, but something's not right in his delivery. For me, that is. Can't put my finger on it, but I'll have to trust my own instincts over those of others.

    Certainly intriguing though.

    I get the same feeling although mostly his body language seems correct, but that can be faked, but to truly judge you would need a baseline of his normal behaviour as well as an unedited version of the interview, where you see a better reaction to the questions.

    You can’t judge the validity of what he’s saying just by body language, or looking a bit shifty (I think he does).

    I remember when I was a kid, my mum asking me if I’d taken 50p from her purse. I hadn’t, but for some reason I smirked, shifted about, avoided eye-contact, and behaved exactly like I’d been caught red-handed. Just the weirdness of the situation, probably.

    Later she remembered she’d spent it something previously, and apologised for accusing me of nicking it, but scalded me for “looking so guilty!”.

    Could be the same for him - nervousness, or maybe he’s just a bit weird like me.

  • @Simon said:

    @monz0id said:
    Interesting how you make that sound like you’re accepting an apology from me, rather than the other way around.

    That's not what I meant. You took it wrong.

    Very clever, now stop tagging me, you’re getting tedious again.

  • “ Tucker Carlson, in the first installment of his new Twitter program on Tuesday, declared (in what was a clear exaggeration of the reporting) that “UFOs are actually real” and hit the mainstream media for not covering the story: “In a normal country, this news would qualify as a bombshell—the story of the millennium.” So why wasn’t it running in The New York Times?”

    There is a very good reason, Tucker:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/ufo-report-media

  • I’ll add that, making YT vids, even alone in a room, feels very awkward to me. I can stand in front of a lecture hall full of hundreds of people, and yet feel less self conscious than making a YT vid, where I am trying to sound natural, but the whole scenario of speaking to no-one in particular feels very strange.

  • @Simon said:

    @monz0id said:
    Very clever, now stop tagging me, you’re getting tedious again.

    Be nice.

    Flagged for trolling, before this gets out of hand.

  • edited June 2023

    @monz0id said:

    @Simon said:

    @monz0id said:
    Very clever, now stop tagging me, you’re getting tedious again.

    Be nice.

    Flagged for trolling, before this gets out of hand.

    I'm just saying be nice, instead of calling me "tedious".

    It is a big forum and we can all have different opinions without calling each other names.

    Midnight here - time for bed. Over and out.

  • @sevenape said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @NeuM said:

    @db909 said:
    Just remember folks, if governments start to say “yeah extraterrestrial beings are here”, we MUST demand to see the beings. Because until they can produce the beings themselves it’s nothing more than spooks flying around top secret tech trying to push some agenda as far as I’m concerned

    Rest assured, nothing like that exists. At best, the only life we’ll ever come into contact with from another planet will be a bacteria or no more sophisticated than moss on a rock.

    You better strap yourself in then. It’s going to be one hell of a ride.

    I find the assumption that the only life in the universe apart from us is bacteria as extreme anything the other side are saying… if not more so

    I didn’t say that. It’s a big galaxy and and an incomprehensibly large universe. Is there alien life out there? The odds say yes. Will we ever meet or communicate with aliens? Probably not. Are there aliens here on earth who are being hidden from us? The available evidence says no, it’s just us.

  • @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @Gavinski said:

    I’m a total sceptic, but I don’t get any weird vibes from his delivery here:

    Gonna have to disagree I'm afraid. My spidey senses are well and truly provoked by this guy.

    Like I said, I'm inclined to believe there's truth in the subject, and nothing personal against the guy, but something's not right in his delivery. For me, that is. Can't put my finger on it, but I'll have to trust my own instincts over those of others.

    Certainly intriguing though.

    I get the same feeling although mostly his body language seems correct, but that can be faked, but to truly judge you would need a baseline of his normal behaviour as well as an unedited version of the interview, where you see a better reaction to the questions.

    You can’t judge the validity of what he’s saying just by body language, or looking a bit shifty (I think he does).

    I remember when I was a kid, my mum asking me if I’d taken 50p from her purse. I hadn’t, but for some reason I smirked, shifted about, avoided eye-contact, and behaved exactly like I’d been caught red-handed. Just the weirdness of the situation, probably.

    Later she remembered she’d spent it something previously, and apologised for accusing me of nicking it, but scalded me for “looking so guilty!”.

    Could be the same for him - nervousness, or maybe he’s just a bit weird like me.

    Absolutely and there are other credible people to vouch for his integrity, not to mention the avenues of enquiry that opens up in regards to his statements, as yet, too early to say, but intriguing none the less.

  • One of the top comment by J. Allen there (you can see it the above video):

    "As a current Aero-Engineer for the US Air Force (26years and still going) I can help you decode at least some of this. First, I know that Grusch has only limited ability to talk about this subject. He did get clearance to speak to a certain extent but he MUST withhold quite a bit in order to avoid very serious law violations. So, expect him to be holding back some things he could say and this also necessitates rephrasing on-the-fly language he would normally use. Second, this retrieval program is REAL and is the most highly classified program in the US. The program is called ZODIAC and this may or may not come out in the public hearings soon. Take this in when viewing this man's speech. He is 'trying' to talk to us about the most highly classified project in the world. People have historically died, lost careers, lost family due to this secret. So to say this is stressful to talk about would be an understatement. Third, when he shook his head talking about the 'spacecraft' and 'alien' is because we don't really think this is what they are but this term is in common use publicly and is as close as we can describe the phenomena to the general public and be understood. These are much more than spacecraft. They are trans-medium-interdimensional craft to the best of our knowledge. And on the 'alien' aspect this is just the easiest term we have because we don't really know for sure but this term is pretty close. At present we consider most of these 'beings' to be advanced-biological-AI (manufactured beings). Lastly I can tell you from my own experience while on duty these are REAL. I can tell you this because I was present on two occasions where these 'craft' were above our base watching us. I wasn't read in to this program I can only tell you I was there on two occasions (happenstance) and they are as real as the nose on your face."

  • @NeuM said:

    @sevenape said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @NeuM said:

    @db909 said:
    Just remember folks, if governments start to say “yeah extraterrestrial beings are here”, we MUST demand to see the beings. Because until they can produce the beings themselves it’s nothing more than spooks flying around top secret tech trying to push some agenda as far as I’m concerned

    Rest assured, nothing like that exists. At best, the only life we’ll ever come into contact with from another planet will be a bacteria or no more sophisticated than moss on a rock.

    You better strap yourself in then. It’s going to be one hell of a ride.

    I find the assumption that the only life in the universe apart from us is bacteria as extreme anything the other side are saying… if not more so

    I didn’t say that. It’s a big galaxy and and an incomprehensibly large universe. Is there alien life out there? The odds say yes. Will we ever meet or communicate with aliens? Probably not. Are there aliens here on earth who are being hidden from us? The available evidence says no, it’s just us.

    I agree, the available evidence says it’s just us and a myriad of other life forms, but I’m glad you are at least rolling back from absolutes, ‘probably’ is a better term.

    Just remember we have so much to discover about our own history let alone anything else ‘out there’.

  • edited June 2023

    @knewspeak said:
    Absolutely and there are other credible people to vouch for his integrity, not to mention the avenues of enquiry that opens up in regards to his statements, as yet, too early to say, but intriguing none the less.

    Yep, I totally believe he is relaying what he's been told. He admits he hasn't seen any physical craft evidence himself, so theoretically they could be setting him up for a fall, or they could be genuine. Based on evidence and reports over almost 100 years I'd say it's a strong possibility. But I certainly wouldn't dismiss the guy as a 'huckster', he has too much to lose.

  • @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Absolutely and there are other credible people to vouch for his integrity, not to mention the avenues of enquiry that opens up in regards to his statements, as yet, too early to say, but intriguing none the less.

    Yep, I totally believe he is relaying what he's been told. He admits he hasn't seen any physical craft evidence himself, so theoretically they could be setting him up for a fall, or they could be genuine. Based on evidence and reports over almost 100 years I'd say it's a strong possibility. But I certainly wouldn't dismiss the guy as a 'huckster', he has too much to lose.

    Hearsay is not evidence. I’m sorry, but simply repeating what someone else has said is not good enough.

  • @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Absolutely and there are other credible people to vouch for his integrity, not to mention the avenues of enquiry that opens up in regards to his statements, as yet, too early to say, but intriguing none the less.

    Yep, I totally believe he is relaying what he's been told. He admits he hasn't seen any physical craft evidence himself, so theoretically they could be setting him up for a fall, or they could be genuine. Based on evidence and reports over almost 100 years I'd say it's a strong possibility. But I certainly wouldn't dismiss the guy as a 'huckster', he has too much to lose.

    Hearsay is not evidence. I’m sorry, but simply repeating what someone else has said is not good enough.

    Again you are correct but if he names peoples, places events, these can be checked.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Absolutely and there are other credible people to vouch for his integrity, not to mention the avenues of enquiry that opens up in regards to his statements, as yet, too early to say, but intriguing none the less.

    Yep, I totally believe he is relaying what he's been told. He admits he hasn't seen any physical craft evidence himself, so theoretically they could be setting him up for a fall, or they could be genuine. Based on evidence and reports over almost 100 years I'd say it's a strong possibility. But I certainly wouldn't dismiss the guy as a 'huckster', he has too much to lose.

    Hearsay is not evidence. I’m sorry, but simply repeating what someone else has said is not good enough.

    Again you are correct but if he names peoples, places events, these can be checked.

    Apologies because I’ve not watched any associated videos… Has he? And have they?

  • @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Absolutely and there are other credible people to vouch for his integrity, not to mention the avenues of enquiry that opens up in regards to his statements, as yet, too early to say, but intriguing none the less.

    Yep, I totally believe he is relaying what he's been told. He admits he hasn't seen any physical craft evidence himself, so theoretically they could be setting him up for a fall, or they could be genuine. Based on evidence and reports over almost 100 years I'd say it's a strong possibility. But I certainly wouldn't dismiss the guy as a 'huckster', he has too much to lose.

    Hearsay is not evidence. I’m sorry, but simply repeating what someone else has said is not good enough.

    Again you are correct but if he names peoples, places events, these can be checked.

    Apologies because I’ve not watched any associated videos… Has he? And have they?

    I believe he has to Congress, because he states he was told about them from direct witnesses, so if Congress doesn’t know, then they’re not asking the right questions.

  • edited June 2023

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Absolutely and there are other credible people to vouch for his integrity, not to mention the avenues of enquiry that opens up in regards to his statements, as yet, too early to say, but intriguing none the less.

    Yep, I totally believe he is relaying what he's been told. He admits he hasn't seen any physical craft evidence himself, so theoretically they could be setting him up for a fall, or they could be genuine. Based on evidence and reports over almost 100 years I'd say it's a strong possibility. But I certainly wouldn't dismiss the guy as a 'huckster', he has too much to lose.

    Hearsay is not evidence. I’m sorry, but simply repeating what someone else has said is not good enough.

    I wasn't talking about evidence for this actual case, but nearly a century of eyewitness accounts, photos, movies, radar and other reports of currently unexplained aerial phenomena suggest recovered vehicles could be a possibility:

    "Based on evidence and reports over almost 100 years I'd say it's a strong possibility."

  • @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Absolutely and there are other credible people to vouch for his integrity, not to mention the avenues of enquiry that opens up in regards to his statements, as yet, too early to say, but intriguing none the less.

    Yep, I totally believe he is relaying what he's been told. He admits he hasn't seen any physical craft evidence himself, so theoretically they could be setting him up for a fall, or they could be genuine. Based on evidence and reports over almost 100 years I'd say it's a strong possibility. But I certainly wouldn't dismiss the guy as a 'huckster', he has too much to lose.

    Hearsay is not evidence. I’m sorry, but simply repeating what someone else has said is not good enough.

    Again you are correct but if he names peoples, places events, these can be checked.

    Apologies because I’ve not watched any associated videos… Has he? And have they?

    Maybe you should watch the video before dismissing his claims out of hand?

  • This is a fascinating podcast. If you have a couple of hours to spare I am sure you'll find this interesting.

    Sort of makes sense to me that there isn't a god but aliens have been coming here at least since humans could read and write.

  • @Sandstorm said:
    This is a fascinating podcast. If you have a couple of hours to spare I am sure you'll find this interesting.

    Sort of makes sense to me that there isn't a god but aliens have been coming here at least since humans could read and write.

    She is very good. I read her book American Cosmic. Well worth a read.

  • @monz0id said:

    @NeuM said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @monz0id said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Absolutely and there are other credible people to vouch for his integrity, not to mention the avenues of enquiry that opens up in regards to his statements, as yet, too early to say, but intriguing none the less.

    Yep, I totally believe he is relaying what he's been told. He admits he hasn't seen any physical craft evidence himself, so theoretically they could be setting him up for a fall, or they could be genuine. Based on evidence and reports over almost 100 years I'd say it's a strong possibility. But I certainly wouldn't dismiss the guy as a 'huckster', he has too much to lose.

    Hearsay is not evidence. I’m sorry, but simply repeating what someone else has said is not good enough.

    Again you are correct but if he names peoples, places events, these can be checked.

    Apologies because I’ve not watched any associated videos… Has he? And have they?

    Maybe you should watch the video before dismissing his claims out of hand?

    But HAVE names, places, etc. been checked and independently verified? I take it the answer is "no".

  • ...they are our ancestors visiting from the future via the fourth dimension...

  • @echoopera said:

    That's crazy stuff indeed. Very interesting.

  • @id_23 said:
    ...they are our ancestors visiting from the future via the fourth dimension...

    Ancestors are people from the past. Descendants are those who live or will live in the future.

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