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Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?
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I saw it and don’t know what it was, but I do think it’s very worthy of serious investigation to try to find out.
Slightly more chance of aliens coming than Logic Pro for ipad, but equally near zero
LOL!
Turn that around, could Logic Pro be brought to the iPad? Could UFO’s be controlled by ‘aliens’?
Unless you can see the future and know every minutiae of the universe then the range of these possibilities is impossible to guess, assigning any number is ridiculous folly.
Not a folly, but maths which can be disproved or proved but they are useful to know how to guide what to study and what to expect. The scale of the universe and the improbability of intelligent life evolving means that the closest is likely to be so far away we'll never be able to detect it, which is why we haven't already. Which means that everything on earth so far is almost certainly natural phenomena we don't understand or is misreported. We've all had strange experiences which turned out to be explainable.
Unfortunately we have to solve this human mess by ourselves, no one is coming, it's a human existential problem.
I'm sure any aliens in distant galaxies have there own problems to deal with rather than spending vast amounts of energy to get here and then only appearing as a grey digital smudge on a HUD display
But it is fun to speculate of course.
Thanks for sharing these!! I’m totally fascinated by first hand testimony… thank you!!
Just very recently also got into the gobekli tepe and younger dryas business… that stuff is insane and that’s without aliens involved… there is so much new evidence being revealed about amazing levels of technology and civilization much earlier than we ever thought. Something like the Antikithera is just such a tantalizing thing… I wonder if everything we know about civilization and history is wrong.
Interesting, you assume they would communicate using the same methods we have only just over a century ago, invented, you assume because we can’t go there, they couldn’t get here. As for a natural interest in thing’s tell zoologists they are wasting their time and efforts studying other creatures in their natural habitat or trying to save species near extinction.
If it is ‘aliens’ they would be a natural part of the universe, therefore may have a natural curiosity, if we would appear ‘child like’ to them. Then maybe as we do, we let our own children chose their destiny, if they make mistakes, we hope they learn from them. A guiding influence rather than a strict policy of adherence to parental teachings.
Scientific methodology is itself a natural process, often it undergoes Kuhnian moments, we could well be on the verge of such a shift in our perspective of self and relation to the universe.
No, it's not assuming anything, it's just evidence based reasoning. When there is more evidence to look at then there is more to reason with.
We could also just as much be in an artificial simulation and reality isn't real at all.
But in all probability that's unlikely as well.
There’s no lack of evidence, but if you want better evidence, you do indeed have to look for it and be willing to look at it objectively without prejudice.
Well, that went down as expected.
But that's the thing, there is no real evidence yet which isn't speculation, or unverifiable anecdotal.
But I'm always interested in any new phenomena and follow all science topics with interest
Todmorden was the birthplace of Keith Emerson who I’m sure was famous for his Upturned Flying Organ
Better for what? Entertainment purposes? 🙂 Genuine question though, because there's no less reliable testimony than that built on human memory, especially distant human memory.
I’d suggest Brian Keating, Eric Weinstein, Avi Loeb for starters, these are but a few brave fellows who dare to look. All I believe you could have, not so long ago, called ‘die hard skeptics’.
You therefore exist in the moment, the present, everything you learned, experienced is but a fallacy, totally unreliable? Photo’s, Videos, Radar traces, corroborated eyewitness testimony, mere whimsical flights of fancy.
Many interesting stories here. But this excerpt from 'Mistakes Were Made But Not By Me' (a book about cognitive dissonance in all its various manifestations) is worth a read:
One evening while riding his bike across rural Nebraska, Michael Shermer was abducted by aliens. A large spaceship landed, forcing Shermer to the side of the road. Aliens descended from the ship and abducted him for ninety minutes, after which he had no memory of what had happened. Shermer’s experience was not unusual; millions of Americans believe they have had some kind of encounter with UFOs or aliens. For some, it happens while they are driving long, boring miles with little change of scenery, usually at night; they gray out, losing track of time and distance, and then wonder what happened during the minutes or hours they were out of it. Some people, professional pilots among them, see mysterious lights hovering in the sky. For most, the experience occurs in the weird mental haze between sleeping and waking when they see ghosts, aliens, shadows, or spirits on their bed. Often they feel physically paralyzed, unable to move.
The bicycle racer, the driver, and the sleeper are at the top of the pyramid: Something inexplicable and alarming has happened, but what? You can live with not knowing why you woke up in a grumpy mood today, but you can’t live with not knowing why you woke up with a goblin sitting on your bed. If you are a scientist or another stripe of skeptic, you will make some inquiries and learn there is a reassuring explanation for this frightening event: During the deepest stage of sleep, when dreaming is most likely to occur, part of the brain shuts down body movements so you won’t go hurling yourself around the bed as you dream of chasing tigers. If you awaken from this stage before your body does, you will actually be momentarily paralyzed; if your brain is still generating dream images, you will, for a few seconds, have a waking dream. That’s why those figures on the bed are dreamlike, nightmarish—you are dreaming, but with your eyes open. Sleep paralysis, says Richard J. McNally, a Harvard psychological scientist and clinician who studies memory and trauma, is “no more pathological than a hiccup.” It is quite common, he says, “especially for people whose sleep patterns have been disrupted by jet lag, shift work, or fatigue.” About 30 percent of the population has had the sensation of sleep paralysis, but only about 5 percent have had the waking hallucinations as well. Just about everyone who has experienced sleep paralysis plus waking dreams reports that the feeling this combination evokes is terror.28 It is, dare we say, an alien sensation.
Michael Shermer, a skeptic by disposition and profession, understood almost immediately what had happened to him: “My abduction experience was triggered by extreme sleep deprivation and physical exhaustion,” he later wrote.29 “I had just ridden a bicycle 83 straight hours and 1,259 miles in the opening days of the 3,100-mile nonstop transcontinental Race Across America. I was sleepily weaving down the road when my support motor home flashed its high beams and pulled alongside, and my crew entreated me to take a sleep break. At that moment a distant memory of the 1960s television series The Invaders was inculcated into my waking dream . . . Suddenly the members of my support team were transmogrified into aliens.”
People like Shermer react to this otherworldly experience by saying, in effect, “My, what a weird and scary waking dream; isn’t the brain fascinating?” But Will Andrews and the more than three million other Americans who believe they have had some kind of encounter with extraterrestrials step off the pyramid in a different direction. Clinical psychologist Susan Clancy, who interviewed hundreds of believers, found that the process moves along steadily as the possibility of alien abduction comes to seem more and more believable. “All of the subjects I interviewed,” she writes, “followed the same trajectory: once they started to suspect they’d been abducted by aliens, there was no going back . . . Once the seed of belief was planted, once alien abduction was even suspected, the abductees began to search for confirmatory evidence. And once the search had begun, the evidence almost always turned up.”30
Is that all..?
Listen, I once saw a car go through a red light at an intersection
I feel left out. I've see nothing "unidentified". No UFOs, no ghosts, no Yeti. You guys are lucky.
The trigger is the frightening experience. “I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn’t move,” said one of her interviewees. “I was filled with terror and thought there was an intruder in the house. I wanted to scream, but I couldn’t get any sound to come out. The whole thing lasted only an instant, but that was enough for me to be afraid to go back to sleep.” Understandably, the person wants to make sense of what happened and looks for an explanation that might also account for other ongoing problems. “I’ve been depressed since as long as I can remember,” said one of the people in Clancy’s study. “Something is seriously wrong with me, and I want to know what it is.” Others reported sexual dysfunctions, battles with weight, and odd experiences or symptoms that baffled and worried them: “I wondered why my pajamas were on the floor when I woke up”; “I’ve been having so many nosebleeds—I never have nosebleeds”; “I wondered where I got these coin-shaped bruises on my back.”31
Experiencers come to believe that alien abduction is a reasonable explanation for their symptoms first by reading stories about it and hearing testimonials from believers. When a story is repeated often enough, it becomes so familiar that it chips away at a person’s initial skepticism, even a story as unlikely as persuading people that they witnessed a demonic possession when they were children.32 For years, the alien-abduction story was ubiquitous in American popular culture: in books, in movies, on television, on talk shows. In turn, the story fit the needs of the experiencers. Clancy found that most grew up with traditional religious beliefs, eventually rejecting them and replacing them with a New Age emphasis on channeling and alternative healing practices. This makes them more prone to fantasy and suggestion than other people, and they have more trouble with source confusion, tending to conflate things that they have thought about or experienced directly with stories they’ve read or heard on television. (Shermer, in contrast, recognized his aliens as coming from a 1960s television series.) Perhaps most important, the abduction explanation captures the emotional intensity and dramatic importance of the experiencers’ frightening waking dreams. That explanation feels real to them, Clancy says, in a way that mundane old sleep paralysis doesn’t.
The “eureka!” that experiencers feel at the fit between the alien-abduction explanation and their symptoms is exhilarating, as was the fit Wilkomirski found between the Holocaust-survivor explanation and his own difficulties. The abduction story helps experiencers explain their psychological distress and also avoid responsibility for their mistakes, regrets, and problems. “I couldn’t be touched,” one woman told Clancy, “not even by my husband, who’s a kind and gentle man. Imagine being forty-five and not knowing what good sex was! Now I understand that it’s related to what the beings did to me. I was a sexual experiment to them from an early age.” All of Clancy’s interviewees told her they felt changed because of their experiences, that they had become better people, that their lives had improved, and, most poignant, that their lives now had meaning. Will Andrews said, “I was ready to just give up. I didn’t know what was wrong, but I knew something was missing. Today, things are different. I feel great. I know there’s something out there—much bigger, more important than we are—and for some reason they chose to make their presence known to me. I have a connection with them . . . The beings are learning from us and us from them and ultimately a new world is being created. And I’ll have a part in it, either directly or through the twins.” Will’s wife (the one on this planet) gave us an additional motive for Will’s invention of invisible alien progeny when she plaintively wondered to Clancy, “Would things have been different if we had been able to have kids?”33
At the final stage, once the experiencers have accepted the alien-abduction explanation of their problems and retrieved their memories, they seek out other people like them and read only accounts that confirm their new explanation. They firmly reject any dissonance-creating evidence or any other way of understanding what happened to them. One of Clancy’s interviewees said, “I swear to God, if someone brings up sleep paralysis to me one more time I’m going to puke. There was something in the room that night! I was spinning . . . I wasn’t sleeping. I was taken.”34 Every one of the people Clancy interviewed was aware of the scientific explanation and had angrily rejected it. In Boston years ago, a debate was held between McNally and John Mack, a psychiatrist who had accepted the abductees’ stories as true.35 Mack brought an experiencer with him. The woman listened to the debate, including McNally’s evidence about how people who believe they were abducted are fantasy-prone and have come to misinterpret a common sleep experience as one of seeing aliens. During the ensuing discussion, the woman said to McNally, “Don’t you see, I wouldn’t believe I’d been abducted if someone could just give me one reasonable alternative explanation.” McNally said, “We just did.”
I spent more nights looking at sky in the middle of nowhere than maybe all of you together.
My other hobby is the astrophotography. I spent weeks on dark sites, totally alone, night after night, making thousands of photos and videos, looking at the sky.
And like me, a TON of other people around the globe. The astrophotography is a "common" hobbie.
Only people that "see anything" are:
People that doesn't understand all the things that happens in sky. There are a LOT of phenomenons, optics, meteo and sky related, that people doesn't know.
People who are not used to stay outside in the dark.
People with mental problems.
People who need one minute fame.
People abusing substances.
By the end of this process, standing at the bottom of the pyramid at a far distance from skeptics like Michael Shermer, experiencers have internalized their new false memories and cannot now distinguish them from true ones. When they are brought into the laboratory and asked to describe their traumatic abductions by aliens, their heightened physiological reactions (such as heart rate and blood pressure) are as great as those of patients who suffer from posttraumatic stress disorder.36 They have come to believe their own stories.
False memories allow people to forgive themselves and justify their mistakes, but sometimes at a high price: an inability to take responsibility for their lives. An appreciation of the distortions of memory, a realization that even deeply felt memories might be wrong, might encourage people to hold their memories more lightly, drop the certainty that their memories are always accurate, and let go of the appealing impulse to use the past to justify problems of the present. We’re told to be careful what we wish for because it might come true. But we must also be careful which memories we select to justify our lives, because we will have to live by them.
Sorry for the multiple posts - the forum has a word limit to how long a single post can be
To the skeptics what about medical evidence? Sure memories can go a bit awry but... physical evidence?
Talking of ghosts. I saw a ghost cat once.
Watching now! I'm not necessarily a skeptic but I thought that was worth posting.
It really used to peeve me that my UFO mates constantly told me I was being abducted when I had sleep paralysis regularly.