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Totally agree with Jakob (signed up after lurking here for ages just to type that, ha).
Ableton Note appears to be pitched at the existing Ableton user base, not the IOS centred musician. As someone who uses IOS as part of a hybrid set up with physical gear & doesn’t have access to Live, Note is not for me. Note is a linear support tool, IOS has grown into a modular environment with IAA, auv3 & Audiobus.
Aside from the ‘desktop class’ angle, here’s an opportunity for Ableton to build a proper, stable IOS DAW. Cubasis is just too janky. Add midi routing, audio routing & recording + auv3 support to Note & its a proper DAW.
Won’t lie, I ripped off how Live appeals to me by putting together a default AUM session consisting of LK for midi, Koala for capturing audio generated by/in the session & MiRack for Max style fiddling around. If Ableton can match 2/3 of that they’ll get my money… If I don’t get Drambo first.
I'm loving it. When I first started testing Note many moons ago, I knew it was going to be SOOO polarizing here. Glad to not be disappointed
Paid 8$ CAD to play around for a few hours and feel some neat new (to me) design decisions. Will I buy Ableton Live now? Nope. Will I use this app for a track ever? Probably nope. Would I buy IAP if it had it? Also probably nope. Did I get my monies worth? Hell yah it was only 8 bucks ffs.
haha, BEST post on this thread!
Let’s say 1000 people buy Note for 5 dollars. If 10 people buy Live Suite, that’s the same amount of money. So out of that 1000 people, 1 percent buy Suite and they are doubling the amount of money earned.
Also…if they sell just 1000 suite licenses, they’d have to sell 100,000 Note apps to match that.
I might be an outlier in thinking this, but believe there are not enough iOS music makers to “win out” against desktop users. It’s just not a big enough market. At all. So it seems way more plausible for ableton to get that 1% of new desktop users AND give their current user base a fun tool to write music “the ableton way” and seemlessly.
My prediction is Note gets more tools, more editing, more presets, all within the confines of making music easier within the app so that it translates even more into Ableton Live. Things like exposing the wave table for scanning and automation, possibly warp markers, etc. ableton has a HUGE user base and making THOSE users more engrained in their product and workflow is a total win for them. I have no idea why they would go through the headache of everything this small community loves about iOS when it would alienate the vast majority of Ableton Live users. It makes no sense. It would make it a non integrated app to the Live ecosystem that doesn’t have enough users to pay for the development cost of whatever that would be.
Personally, I hope they don’t integrate it in the iOS ecosystem whatsoever and make its live integration better and better. I would pay them a lot more than 5 dollars for that.
...and I could see one day upgrading my C drive and actually buying Live but for now it insists on putting 3gigs on C even when I install the program on D. Wtf Ableton?
Interesting perspective @drez and it rings true. So in that case, Note is really just an accessory for Live and potentially a funnel for new Live customers (though I think it’ll be rather less than 1% of Note users paying for the full Suite, but that’s just my guess). A potential hazard there, is that you give your users a taste of touch interface and they may want more. Maybe the next move will be something akin to what Apple did with Logic Remote.
Oh yah lots of apps development budgets come from larger companies marketing budgets, tru story.
@jakoB_haQ If "reviewing" Note means comparing it to other apps following certain standards then I wonder if Note was even intended to be that.
Many Ableton users don't use their mobile device for music making at all, and this could be their entry drug.
As for desktop apps on a touch screen, I've been through all that on my Windows tablet and yeah, there are surprisingly few apps that are workable using fingers. Ableton in zoomed mode was already one of the better options but many others have become worse for touch over the years, using modern super narrow scroll bars, tiny switches, knobs that cannot be properly turned using a finger, drop down selectors that require lots of fiddling to open etc. etc.
Of course they usually work better when using a pen but I somehow prefer to use my fingers.
Yeah, I just don’t see it. Maybe a small subset of users, but again, it won’t be enough to move the needle on really developing something crazy. As a push users, I have tried all touchscreen alternatives and I always gladly come back to the push. And ableton makes way more money off of a push then some iPad app.
These sorts of of Apps should as near possibly connect both the iOS system and the in this case the Ableton desktop system, it’s a start, but a long way short still.
Funnily, Imaginando Lk does that for the MIDI part. It's not only a great clip based MIDI sequencer but it also doubles as a remote control for Ableton Live, including the session view and piano roll editing. And it does MIDI file import and export.
https://www.ableton.com/en/note/manual/
Before reading the manual, I didn't know what to think about this app. My first impression was Note would be a quick ideas generator like Figure, and there's nothing wrong with that so long as Note can export audio that can be moved to other apps (and it can).
Anyways, the more I read the manual, the more I realised that Note is closer to Auxy in a few ways, but without the subscription. Note's under 10 quid as a one-time payment, not a subscription.
After reading the manual, I bought Note. I think it's a pretty great way to quickly jot down spontaneous musical ideas when waiting at the DMV or on a flight or at a coffee shop. Ymmv. Cheers.
For a change, the price was not a deciding factor for me (though in rampant inflation torn UK, very soon it will be), it’s more about app size. As it stands I think it’s a bargain.
At over half a GB it’ll mean kicking out something else on my already-stuffed-to-the-gills 64GB Air (all the big stuff, such as Auria Pro, or unused fluff has already been removed). Which would mean swapping something I use, for Note, so I have to be sure I’ll have a use for it. If it was smaller, yeah why not, but it ain’t, and it doesn’t provide my workflow with anything I don’t have already, so…
+1 for Stem export, @jakoB_haQ . You are spot on. It’s the one vital upgrade to Note.
Agreed, I’m not going to read this thread or watch the video - well I’ve read it now but I’m not going to read any more 😁
FWIW I’ve bought Note and like it very much.
Yeah these kinds of threads seem divisive and and purely aimed at driving traffic to his channel.. hard pass..
It's so simple. Ableton Note is bringing more attention to iOS music than ANY other app in the past.
This means views, this means $$$$$. And the clickbait coming after. Life's law.
I don't see any type of this videos. I found stupid but I understand the cheaps reasons about it
Pitchforks time, on the old Audiobus forum again.
BURN THE DISBELIEVERS!!!
Any vitriol against Ableton is unjustified since they did more for iOS music than any other major developer when they created Link, which really was a gamechanger in syncing mobile to mobile and mobile to desktop workflow. I used to hate midi clock and now I never use it. Without Link I wouldn't use IOS apps as much.
While not as significant, this app is another addition to helpful workflow and I'm sure it won't be their last contribution
I didn’t say I was an expert, I’m simply explaining why I don’t need to own the app to make an informed decision on whether it will suit my workflow.
it’s not because “I've been alive for a long time”, it’s based on years of experience using very similar products.
What ‘vitriol against Ableton’? The only ‘vitriol’ I can see in this thread is being directed at those who haven’t bought the app.
Well I wasn't referring to you if that's what you mean, but I read other posts complaining about them earlier in the thread.
I haven't bought the app either yet
Also my post does refer to the OP as well in that it kind of says that Ableton should be doing more in the some way which I don't necessarily agree with.
It’s really strange how offering constructive criticism can invoke such hostility, I know most DAWs inspire a following but I wish some people wouldn’t get over sensitive when others criticise it.
But I can't see anything that would be classed as 'vitriol' against Ableton. A few folks have said it's not for them (including me), and explained why, and Jakob's vid is a fair summary of it's current state.
Yep. Or even when they just explain in a polite, and thoughtful way why it's not for them, and outline their reasoning so it may help others make a decision. Like, on a public forum, for instance.