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I’ll just leave this here…
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Ok sure - I’ll concede that yes, he does appear to have gone down to his local park in at least two of his videos…
My initial reaction to Ableton Note without actually using it was very much like: this seems half-baked and not what I need an iOS user, etc.
But given that the app is only $6, there's no IAP, and I still use Live, I decided to give it a go. Using it definitely changed my mind, especially after seeing how it seamlessly projects export to Ableton. Is it perfect? No. Does it need a bunch more features? Yes, absolutely. Will I use other apps more? Yeah. Do I want Ableton to invest more into improving it? Totally. But is it worth $6? Yup.
There's a lot of complaining and opinions without actually using it (which I was guilty of as well). Those on the fence should give it a try esp since the barrier is pretty low. You might not love it, but without actually using it, you don't fully know if that's true or not.
The unquantized-ness and nudginess of it is starting to grow on my psyche. The things I come up with in Note are completely different from what I come up with in AUM or Loopy Pro. I’m kind of treating it like a game; just see what presets it feeds me and try to do something with them. It’s fun!
You can quantize as well.
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That's good!
One day @jakoB_haQ will come back home@ABF and get his hands dirty
Obviously yes I use koala more due to connectivity but I still adore Flip for its simplicity and I still use a lot of stand alone apps just for fun.
Only thing is I’d still review it. There are many apps I said I’d look at but never got to look at it again because of lack of time.
So, now, if I’m interested in an app, I make a video on it. Short video, reaction videos, I do it. It’s great reference material, and I sometimes learn from things I did in the past.
It’s never a wasted effort to share ideas. Someone might learn from it.
I can really understand that as someone who doesn’t even have a computer that is good enough to make music on I only need apps that are geared towards people who use their iPads as a music studio and don’t have a lot of other stuff
I honestly can’t understand how developers nowadays can design music apps without iaa auv3 or audiobus Support on my search for a virtual handpan I have found loads of these apps on the App Store which really makes me shake my head
I hope this will change for Ableton note but until then I understand when people leave it aside
Thank you. Was about to do to the the same to defend (in my view) the most informative, prolific and entertaining iOS/mobile app reviewer out there. Apologies to all the other iOS YouTubers out there putting in the time and effort, but I’d rather pursue my education via text and images (ie, reading) than watching.
Just this older dude’s take. Thanks for indulging. (Freakin love those mobile vids.)
I think he meant that Jakob has been producing good YT content for years and is quite a popular dude in these parts.
Agreed. He’s made 3 comments in the entire thread he started. And those happened in the first 4 posts 🙄 If he cared about the actual topic he started, I feel like he would have contributed to the actual discussion around the subject if he really cared about the OP. But, that’s not what I see here. I see promotion. That’s not slander against Jakob, it’s just an observation based on lack of interaction ¯_(ツ)_/¯
He should have ended the video after his first statement…
“I don’t want to waste anyone’s time.”
Maybe he saw the pitchfork waving responses to my constructive comments, and the utter pointlessness of explaining and re-explaining why I haven’t bought the app yet (no, I don’t need to own the app to know it’s not for me, and no, that doesn’t mean I’m ‘ignorant’) and thought ‘fuck that for a game of soldiers, I’ll go down the park instead’.
This was a “non-review review”.
I’ve not seen any pitchfork-waving responses…particularly not to any message that was nothing more than “Note isn’t for me”.
I have seen pushback to messages from people who imply that other people should be unhappy with the app or that Ableton was remiss for not targeting iOS-centric or legacy Live configurations. Disagreement doesn’t = pitchforks.
What a complete load of tosh. It’s exactly the opposite of what you have just written (or at least it was, before a judicious amount of editing took place on certain posts). As ever a small cult has evolved around the app, and anyone offering the slightest criticism has been dismissed as ignorant, ‘vitriolic’, with numerous digs at Jakob for making a video they seem to feel he shouldn’t have made.
I disagree with your interpretation.
I think the criticism of Jakob is simply that a video was not needed to say: “since Note isn’t aimed at mobile-centric workflows, I won’t be reviewing it.”
It’s perfectly reasonable for someone not to be interested in Note.
If there are a few people that went beyond that, it is hardly “pitchforks”.
I think the following comments go beyond your simple interpretation:
"doesn’t mean I won’t call him out when he does some dumb sh!t"
"This could be a whole video series like "why i don't want to review spoons... or trucks.." etc."
"I don’t think much of his ‘mobile’ credentials anyway. In all his videos his gear is just parked on his desk. I don’t think he takes it anywhere ever, so where’s the mobility?"
"He should have ended the video after his first statement…“I don’t want to waste anyone’s time.”"
Etc. Bit catty, bit personal? You don't like his video? Make your own.
That's literally what 'torches and pitchforks' refers to. See also, Drambo threads. Anyway, a few examples from this one:
" Disappointed people outside the target audience who don't even own the app it seems."
" if you don't own the app and have never used it, you are in the most literal sense "ignorant" of it"
"they’re too busy being joyless, repetitive, mood hoovers on the Audiob.us forum? 🤣😆😂"
"I don't really believe in the 'I've been alive for a long time so that must make me an expert on a subject ' argument."
"Any vitriol against Ableton is unjustified"
"When did some people become so narcissistic and self important that they felt the need to broadcast what they aren’t doing?"
Etc.
Pitchforks.
Dismissing anyone that questions the features, or price of an app as as "narcissistic and self important", or "ignorant", diminishes the whole value of this place - which is to get an unbiased, sycophant-free appraisal of an app so we can all make a value judgement on whether to spend our hard-earned cash on a new product or not.
That's why I'm here.
Actually, it really bugs me that I've just gone to all the trouble and time to write this post and check the thread - which is really what I don't want to be doing, but OCD...what can yer do eh? Anyway, I'm out of this one so don't expect a reply, I've said my piece
And me without my popcorn. Sigh, ah well. 😮💨 (Joking.)
I finally played with Note and like it. So it's in my "Music Ideas" app folder with Figure and Auxy Pro. However, I can see how others come to the informed conclusion that the app just isn't for them, whether from watching reviews, reading the manual (like I did), or simply due to the fact Note has no connectivity to other iOS apps. Buying it or not is each person's personal decision, and I respect that. I'm not here to bash or defend the app, just here to offer my first impressions.
And while indeed Jakob is critical of Note, he has links to five reviews of Note in the pinned comment of his video. A fair compromise I'd say as he's promoting others' channels. Again, it's up to each individual whether or not they wish to purchase the app, and along the same line of thinking, it's up to each individual whether or not they wish to review it in its current state.
Boiling it all down to brass tacks...opinions (whether good or bad) are like bumholes - everyone has one and they all stink, even mine. 😌
I’m enjoying this thread. A little discrepancy is always fun.
What baffles me about all the folk defending Ableton Note is that, once again, it looks like those big companies that don’t really need it (Ableton, Apple…), are the ones most belligerently defended.
You don’t see this kind of “I stand behind you” with one-person projects, kind of intriguing… Much harsher comments and complaining are poured over independent devs and one wonders if we shouldn’t be defending them more than the likes of Ableton or Apple.
Just saying.
Can we have an Argue topic in off-topic for the usual arguers/I'm right and you're wrong people? The same one(s) always chiming in haughtily and Being Right and needing to Have The Last Word?
My last word...
Brand power.
Come on now I think you’ve stated enough times why you aren’t going to use it. No need to be a martyr.
Two things. I apologize for my use of the word "ignorant," which was needlessly pedantic and could easily be misread. I was trying to convey it in the sense of "XXX is bliss," but I missed the mark. Didn't mean to inspire visions of pitchforks.
Unless we're talking about how "Everybody Loves to Hate the IPA"! Then pitchforks are in order.
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