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Thanks @Pierre118 !
If you're looking for some Wotja inspiration, you might enjoy reading this new post:
https://wotja.com/news/blog/230530-Wotja-Artist-Perspective-Aric-Attas.html
Pete
A very interesting post @imtim @impete I added him to my playlist on Apple Music.
'I'd like to dig into some of the scripting possibilities. The ability to have a piece respond to time of day or other factors is fascinating to me.'
A script with some 'AI' responding on time, date, weather conditions or whatever. Very interesting!
Thanks for your reply!
The approach and the workflow that I was trying to pursue was hybrid indeed.
I am really used to AUM, its workflow and capabilities.
What I was trying to achieve is having different synths, processing plugins, MIDI processors — all inside AUM.
Wotja is capable of generating sonically various sounds: you can have bass, pads, drums, leads. They all need to be processed differently. This can surely be done in Wotja as a standalone host. I know that it is also possible to use Wotja as AUv3 host and have all processing there. This is something I will definitely try later.
So, to summarize this, in AUM it would be really good to have the possibility to send drums/percussion from Wotja to one channel, pads, ambient sounds — to another. This way I could process them differently (or send them to hardware effects). Along with Wotja I would also like to use other synths/processing plugins in AUM.
I found out that you guys have built a really universal tool for all generative production needs. Having a AUv3 multi-out will add to this a lot!
Hope this all makes sense!
Kind regards,
Stepan
Hi @impete , thanks for the really fast update!
Sadly, Wotja 23 still has the same issues inside Logic Pro…
For the time being I can still work around this (using AUM, using Wotja standalone with Midi into Logic Pro, using Wotja 21 inside Logic), but I hope you find a way to resolve this.
Don‘t let the work kill you, though 8-).
Cheers, t
What’s the best way to get into this app? I really want to finally properly dive in but it’s a bit daunting.
Hi @animal
Could you possibly restate the issue(s) wrt using Wotja 23 in Logic Pro (iPadOS)? It might also help to know what iPadOS device you are using (and generation). I appreciate you have probably already said that somewhere, so sorry!
If it is an artefact issue (i.e. noise, crackle etc.) then it is likely going to be down to the mix complexity being too much for the CPU to handle.
The Wotja AUv3 Plug-in uses the host audio settings. Could you try in Logic Pro (iPadOS) going to Settings > App Settings > Audio and changing the I/O buffer to 512 samples. Does that help at all? Alternatively, if you reduce the Project Sample rate from 48Khz to 44.1kHz does that make any difference?
If that does not help, then one thing to try (as just a test) is to play one of the included Albums which are low CPU impact (and with Mix FX Override set to off). If you don't get the issue with that, then it is probably going to be that the complexity of your mix(es) is simply too much for your CPU to keep up with. We have some tips on things to try in a FAQ here: https://wotja.com/help/#audio-issues.
I hope something in the above is of some help!
Best wishes
Tim
Hi,
I would suggest checking out the quick tutorials. https://wotja.com/tutorials/
They may seem a big basic, but knowing where things are and what they do will definitely help! Maybe start with Play a Flow, then Create Automix and Edit Generators, Edit SFX Networks etc.
I hope that helps!
Best wishes
Tim
Thank you 🙏 definitely gonna be doing that. It seems like a really amazing app.
Hello Tim,
thanks for responding. I think I found the issue: I had sample players (unused) sitting after the wavetable-players in two of four tracks. After I deleted them completely, the issues seem to have gone (very high CPU with only four wavetable-players (piano), when stopping playback in the host (happened in AUM, as well), the CPU rushed into red and stayed there, until I selected a non-Wotja channel, including crackling noises. After this, and closing/reopening the project, Wotja showed the „white page“ (no mix to select)). As stated, all of these issue disappeared, when opening the mix inside Wotja Pro 21(flawless inside AUM, as well). Changing Samplerate/Buffer didn‘t make much difference, apart from a little less CPU. Maybe this helps tracking eventual issues further down…?
Anyways, it seems to work reliably now.
Thank you for the great Wotja!
Cheers, t
ok, latest update: it‘s not working.
First: all of this is happening on an iPad Pro 11“ (2nd gen), as well as on an iPad Pro 11“ M1 (third gen). —I always forget to post these…—
Wotja 23 plays for about 5 to 10 minutes, then it just stops sounding (midi is still generated, but no sound coming from W), then i open W to see what‘s going on, and the CPU meter runs hellfire-red, until I deselect W. I then stop the playhead in Logic, close the project, close Logic, start it again, and Wotja gives me the white page, without any mixes.
I can start any mix inside Wotja 21, and it plays reliably.
Since almost the same things happen with W23 inside Aum, I guess its some kind of CPU issue with Wotja 23. Again, also inside AUM: W23 makes similar problems, W21 plays fine.
No pressure, but I sincerely hope, this can be fixed…,
cheers, t
Hi! Thanks for the info, and we're sorry to hear about your issue. This is a puzzler, as we don't see the issue at our end.
We'll keep digging!
Best wishes, Pete
@impete @imtim :... a few videos to document the issue are to be found here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rfq7x2gdbk9odlx/AAAcc4KIo91r8N-j-XgZrKsQa?dl=0
I'll keep them there for a few days, let me know if I can do anything else to help.
Greetings, t
Wow I’ve been really missing out not fully diving into this app. Been going at it for a couple of hours now and it’s absolutely fantastic. @imtim excellent job here!
Thank you very much for your kind words
Best wishes, Pete
Hi @animal
Many thanks for these. We've had holidays get in the way - but I've just downloaded them to take a look at.
If you can leave them there a few more days for @imtim to download, that'd be very helpful!
Best wishes, Pete
Hi Folks.
Wotja 23.7.1 has been released (sorry for delayed post):
FIXED: Issue where MIDI file recordings of Ambient Generators might have truncated notes.
FIXED: Issue where MIDI file recordings of might be shorter than expected.
FIXED (Windows): Issue seen initialising some audio devices.
FIXED (iOS): Sometimes alerts were not displayed at App start-up (e.g Choose Storage Option "Local only" or "iCloud").
CHANGED: Renamed (newly added) Settings "Support" group to "Reset".
OTHER: Minor bug fixes.
FULL DETAILS: See wotja.com/releases/.
P.S. Love Wotja? Please give a new rating for each update, it really helps us!
Hi folks,
Looks like we also forgot to mention 23.7.0 ...!
Wotja 23.7.0
NEW: Schemas are now saved to a new "Wotja URL" (text string) format which starts with "wotja://schema_" (loading of old format is still supported); this now makes this Wotja filetype easy to share via emails, web files and even to webplay via the Safari Extension (see Sharing).
NEW: Schema Editor > Actions Menu and item to export the Schema to Clipboard as a WJURL.
IMPROVED: Changed Mix Recorder to "cook" in a background thread, rather than in the main UI thread, this speeding-up the "cooking" process.
IMPROVED (macOS/Windows): Removed Menu > File > New sub-menu for Schemas, as there was only one item, and replaced with simple "Schema (Flow)"; Changed Documents > Flows > "+" > "Schema (based on...)" to "Schema (Flow) (based on...)".
IMPROVED: Script cells are better labeled displaying as "Mix Script" / "Cell Script" / "Generator Script" rather than simply "Script"; if Script is long, the Script cell now displays a truncated value that is easier to read.
IMPROVED: Removed restriction where Scripting engine prevented a Track being accessed from a Script if the Track > 0.
FIXED: Issue where some values were not correctly initialised for very old Schemas.
FIXED: Albums/Playlists could keep playing for a while on album/playlist close.
FIXED: Possible crash on App shutdown.
IMPROVED (macOS): Text Entry and Cancel button behaviour.
FIXED (macOS): TTS recording issue where, when recording, the TTS items weren't passed through the Wotja mixing engine, but instead were played (generally at the wrong volume) and weren't captured to audio recordings.
FIXED (macOS/Windows): Crash on opening the built-in Calm/Relax albums.
FIXED (macOS/Windows): Rare crash seen on opening mix document via File Browser.
Hi Folks.
Wotja 23.8.0 has been released:
MAJOR STORE CHANGE: To carry out a needed simplification/reorganisation of our In-App Purchases (IAP) options we have removed from sale (and from the Wotja In-App Store) the 23 Pro Mobile OTB, 23 Play OTB, Pro Mobile SUB and Play SUB IAPs, added a new 30 Day Pro (30P) IAP and changed Tip Jar Tips (TJT) to be just tips. IMPORTANT Previously purchased IAPs will continue to work just as they did before but they will no longer be available to purchase. See our FAQ: https://wotja.com/help/#iap-rfs. For those with affected Subscriptions, see our FAQ on migration options: https://wotja.com/help/#iap-rfs-sub-migration. See our now rationalised rationalised range IAPs: https://wotja.com/downloads/#iap.
NEW: Menu item to import/add new Schema From Clipboard (Pro FS only).
IMPROVED (macOS/Windows): File New > Schema references the currently selected Schema name and submenu re-added to cater for the above.
IMPROVED: For better understanding, Document screen icons now show a top left 'Timeout' badge on any file that will play with an auto-timeout (e.g. when you are in Lite mode).
IMPROVED: Album/Playlist now opens in Play List view (not Play Screen) which is better in most use cases.
IMPROVED: Store 'Rate & Review' button now presents an alert with various options.
IMPROVED (Windows): Display of more meaningful alert messages for some rare error cases.
FULL DETAILS: See https://wotja.com/releases/.
P.S. Love Wotja? Please give a new rating for each update, it really helps us!
So the iOS only sub is replaces with the full unlock for $3.49? Am I getting that right?
I’m on the iOS only right now for $2.49, will that stay in effect until I upgrade to the next version?
Yes, you have got that right! It is now the only subscription option.
It was such a big (and under the hood) complex IAP rationalisation in 23.8.0 that we had no choice but to remove the retired items from sale all in one go.
We did think hard about what migration options we could therefore put in place for mobile subscribers and what we came with is set out here: https://wotja.com/help/#iap-rfs-sub-migration (i.e. summer sale pricing 30P and OTB items).
I hope that helps!
Atb
Tim
Okay thanks! One question, when will my current sub expire? Will it be when the next years version is released or at the end of this current months subscription?
Sorry if that was not clear!
It will expire at the end of your current month's subscription (it being an 1 month auto-renewing subscription that is no longer available for sale).
I hope that helps!
Atb
Tim
Okay, final question lol, will it auto renew at the new price or will I have to start a new subscription?
No worries
. The old mobile subscription will not auto-renew as it is no longer available for sale, it. If you wanted to continue with a subscription option once it has lapsed then you would need to take out a new subscription, i.e. to the only one that is now available.
Option: As (under the hood) the Mobile and Pro subscriptions are in the same Subscription group, if you wanted to you could (I think) just change subscription now (i.e. Upgrade it) and it will pro-rate. If you are interested
, Apple docs describe it here: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/subscriptions/
Hope that helps!
Atb
Tim
Great, thanks for the help! 🙏
Dear @imtim , Dear @impete : sorry to report, that the two latest updates also didn‘t resolve the issue. With the latest update Wotja even demands a restart of AUM, everytime a new preset (of AUM) is loaded. (W gives the white page without entries to choose a mix)…
Hi animal,
Many thanks for the update. I have come-up with a theory as to what might be causing this for you, and have spent the past couple of days reworking the code that handles the document icon generation (as my theory is that it might have been down to the way I handled that).
Anyhow - that code rework will be in the 23.9.0 update, which we're finishing off now.
Do please let us know how you get on with that Wotja version!
Best wishes, Pete
Dear @impete ,
thank you for your continued work. Sadly, new issues must be reported: V. 23.9.0 now isn‘t openable inside Logic (pados) at all.
Inside AUM it works, but I don‘t know yet, for how long (previously Wotja had the CPU slowly rising until crash).
AUM presets with an instance of Wotja (which has a Wotja-preset saved) can‘t be recalled anymore, AUM just tries to instantiate Wotja forever, without success…
Hope this helps (new 5* rating has been given, because the App itself is great!),
cheers, t
Hi Folks.
Wotja 23.9.0 has been released:
IMPROVED: Wotja Documents UI operation is now much smoother while document icons are being generated.
IMPROVED: Further simplification of IAP naming and terminology to complement the IAP changes made in 23.8.0, principally that '30 Day Pro' is now renamed to '30 Day Unlock' and 'FS' is removed from the IAP names as we have better defined and make better use of the terms 'Mode' (for Lite & Pro) and 'Feature Set'; no changes to functionality and no further changes expected!
FIXED: Browsing of content items in some older Paks.
FIXED (iOS): Rare iCloud-related crash.
FIXED: Rare crash seen in Playlist screen when handling menu to select visualiser.
FIXED: Use of dark Colour Scheme in the Plug-in.
FULL DETAILS: See wotja.com/releases/
P.S. Love Wotja? Please give a new rating for each update, it really helps us.
Hi @animal
I have tried 23.9.0 on 2 iPads (iOS 16.5.1.(c)) and it seems to work fine (for me) on both, in that the Plug-in loads mixes/flows etc and plays fine (for me).
I did find something odd though, which may or may not be related to your issue. On both iPads I deleted Wotja (just to start from fresh as I also test with pre-release builds) and installed 23.9.0 from the App Store. Once installed, I ran up the App. I then loaded Logic, created a new MIDI project and added the Wotja AUv3. I got some strange (never seen before) message about "Failed to load Audio Unit" - and I saw it on both iPads, too. I rebooted each iPad and after that Wotja AUv3 then loaded fine into the Logic Project and in the Wotja "Choose Storage Option" pop-up selected iCloud. I was then able to select Wotja and mixes, flows etc. These then played for fine me in Logic.
I also tried in AUM and found no issues, either.
I have not tried that as don't have any test mixes to hand, but I wonder if it is related to the issue above?
Thank you SO much, and we look forward to getting to the bottom of your issue,
Best
Tim