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AB forum soundtrack project… THE SEQUEL! **UPDATE AND POLL,voting closes 8/2 23:00 cet!**

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  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska
    edited January 2023

    For all those worried about this, I can confirm, as a literal non musician who nevertheless had a great time making noises all on my lonesome for Vampyr, that use of motifs, shared scales, in depth harmonic knowledge, amazing keyboard chops etc are all entirely optional. Great for those that possess such things, not required for those that don’t.

    I did in fact make use of part of a short phrase, heavily mangled by me, that @LinearLineman provided to the ‘shared assets’ pool, rather in the way that I believe @krupa is intending to do with his valve noises, but it really was a minor element. The ‘big stuff’ for me came from studying the clip I’d been allocated, and finding something to hang my hat on in it - as it turned out, turning a fragment of speech from the subtitles into an actual spoken phrase, then letting Scaler loose on that. Well, that, and agreeing with my colleagues either side in the running order on what edits to fade in and out on.

    I’d advise not trying to do directly diagetic sound effects, or trying to hard sync events on screen to hits and stings in your piece, because all that makes it much harder to slide, stretch or squeeze your part later in the final mix, but otherwise… just do what you do.

    It’ll be great. :)

  • senhorlampadasenhorlampada
    edited January 2023

    @cyberheater said:

    @monch1962 said:

    • I have no idea how to begin to work on a soundtrack, both in terms of creating anything that matches the "mood" of a video and getting things to sync up. If anyone could point me to some "how to be John Williams"-type info, I'll try to be ready for next time

    I'm going to try the Vangelis way. Get everything set up and watch the movie while my fingers does something

    Nice clip from Vangelis.

    And btw, this was how I did on Vampyr. At least 5 or 6 of the layers where played while watching (mostly the old Drone FX). Some where layered in between.

    edit: Wow... Vangelis is so awesome. No way I can play/compose that way :tongue:

    Oh, and thanks for adding some collaborators to the sheet

    I just added @Alfred and @monch1962

  • Sons_CartouchesSons_Cartouches

    Hello!
    I would love to participate as a composer for a segment of movie

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @McD said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @McD said:

    @Gavinski said:
    @McD don't worry, @Synthi is a music engineer and will do an excellent job on mixing and mastering, as he did with Vampyr 👍

    Good to know.

    John Williams likes to start with a theme for each major character.

    Metropolis is set in a futuristic urban dystopia and follows the attempts of Freder, the wealthy son of the city master, and Maria, a saintly figure to the workers, to overcome the vast gulf separating the classes in their city and bring the workers together with Joh Fredersen, the city master. The film's message is encompassed in the final inter-title: "The Mediator Between the Head and the Hands Must Be the Heart".

    Freder - protagonist
    Maria - saint
    Joh Fredersen

    Hey mate. Not sure if you saw above, but I did ask you to pick a key. I'll be using Lydian mode. 😃

    If it’s Lydian then do it in F Lydian to avoid the black keys for those without deep keyboard knowledge. They can fiddle around and sim for F as a tone center. The F to B interval would help create something other worldly and darkly emotive while the F to A or C pulse it towards the light. Try that folks for sure me 4-6 note mttifs and share some audio. Bernstein’s Maria theme uses these notes to great effective longing.

    Sounds good! F Lydian it is. 🙂

  • Sons_CartouchesSons_Cartouches

    @Sons_Cartouches said:
    Hello!
    I would love to participate as a composer for a segment of movie

    I have the Claravox Theremin and some analogue synths and Fx - I also play the cello.
    Here’s a link to some of my music

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Sons_Cartouches said:

    @Sons_Cartouches said:
    Hello!
    I would love to participate as a composer for a segment of movie

    I have the Claravox Theremin and some analogue synths and Fx - I also play the cello.
    Here’s a link to some of my music

    You have the Claravox Theremin?! I'm jealous mate. 😂

  • JanKunJanKun

    If there is space, please count me in !

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @JanKun said:
    If there is space, please count me in !

    Added you to the spreadsheet

  • bygjohnbygjohn

    I’d just like to echo what @Gavinski and @Svetlovska have said.

    I have very little understanding of traditional western music theory, I just go with what sounds right to me.

    For my section of Vampyr, I cut out my section from the time coded version we were all working from, and watched it a few times, then started to assemble sound sources, building on ideas sparked by what was happening on screen, and from watching the whole movie. In my case, I used a small snippet of @LinearLineman ’s audio, but heavily mangled/distorted, and also recorded myself whispering a phrase about the vampire spreading her evil across the village, which I then fed into iDensity and turned into a strange chittering sound.

    I mention this stuff just as suggestions for ways into the mood/atmosphere/action. I mixed my stuff “live” in AUM while watching the section of film in that video playback AU, leaving plenty of excess for transitions/fades/sliding around to fit the action by the sound editor when assembling things. As we all tried to follow this last bit, I suspect it was part of the reason for the successful assembly of the final soundtrack, which was a staggeringly good piece of work on @Synthi ‘s part.

  • michael_mmichael_m

    With the large number of potential contributors, perhaps someone stepping up as a curator would be a good idea.

    It’s unlikely that all contributions would seamlessly fit together if everyone just picks a scene at random and puts something together, so there needs to be someone who is the musical director and will have the final say on whether pieces go in or not.

    Just thinking ahead to the point where there are multiple completed pieces that overlap and aren’t necessarily compatible musically.

  • McDMcD

    There is no right and wrong in music… but we all get to apply our blue of good and bad knowing that that too is neither right or wrong. Critics just assume their readers tend to share their values and with enough iterations that’s probably true.

    I love it when there’s outrage over some list Rolling Stone creates where Celine Dion is not a singer of note. It seems headlong a Vegas residency and having hits in Disney movies and Titanic puts you permanently on the NOT cool list even when you have a set of pipes that defy standards. Right or wrong? (Sure… I’m treading water here waiting for people to do the groundwork for us to start).

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    I would love to have a shot at it. Never done anything like this, but hey, assuming time permits, sounds like fun!

  • SynthiSynthi

    I think we don’t need rules, scales tempos or keys for the music. This is an exercise, so freedom is a key, we are not been hired to compose the music, there is no artistic director or music director, let’s enjoy that we can make it this way! In the music/TV/film video business you don’t have such a luck!.
    When doing vampyr was a surprise how well all the pieces matched together, there was some discrepancies in frequency, dynamics,… that technical part is covered, I will mix and master so all can sound homogeneous. But in the artistic part, I’m still amazed how good all parts fit as a whole piece, of course we loose some things as a general motif, or the theme for each actor, but I think all we grow experimenting and this is a great opportunity to do it!

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Synthi said:
    I think we don’t need rules, scales tempos or keys for the music. This is an exercise, so freedom is a key, we are not been hired to compose the music, there is no artistic director or music director, let’s enjoy that we can make it this way! In the music/TV/film video business you don’t have such a luck!.

    I like this approach. I just simply laid out what I'm going to do partly so I can remember that's how I want to do it, lol.

  • JanKunJanKun

    @Svetlovska said:
    In line with other Vampyr OGs, I’m in… but will happily cede my place to someone else who didn’t take part that time if we have too many contributors.

    Difficult to say till we decide on the print. I imagine a top limit of a 5 minute slot? Depending the print we choose, run times vary immensely, though the 91 minute cut (enforced by the Nazis) is the commonest, apparently. (Nazis have short attention spans, as Any Fule Kno.)

    “153 minutes (original) · 116 minutes (1927 edit) · 105–107 minutes (1927 US) · 128 minutes (1927 UK) · 118 minutes (August 1927) · 91 minutes (1936 edit) ” - Wikipedia

    Oh, and btw @tja : don’t let not knowing anything about music stop you - I don’t either! :)

    @jwmmakerofmusic : well, you’ve got theremin, Ondes Martenot and Trautonium, the crystallaphone, (not electronic, but weird), prototype wire and tape recorders… (If I am in, Wires will definitely feature!).

    Is it time to wheel out this clip again?:

    This track you posted is fantastic! Thank you for that !

  • GavinskiGavinski

    There is clearly too much interest this time. I think 5 mins is a nice chunk of time per person, maybe 3 would be a minimum. If there are too many people interested I see two fair solutions

    1. Slots allocated on a first come first served basis, which was the original proposal for this and for Vampry. If people who got in early decide they want to give their slot to someone else, fair enough.

    2. Do a lottery once all names are in by a certain date. Some get in, some not, regardless of first come first served. That's more work on the part of whoever is administering it and to me also less fair than option 1 since the rules were laid down in the initial discussion and it's probably best to stick to them. If there is overflow, just pick a 2md movie and let the remainder get their names down for that?

  • JanKunJanKun
    edited January 2023

    @cyberheater said:
    I've come across this version of Metropolis 1927.

    That's been released by "Public Domain Presents". I've no idea if it's okay to use this version.

    Here is another that's been posted 2 days ago with English subtitles. the version you posted seems to have received heavy reverb in the mix...

    This version has been released with the cooperation of ZDF and ARTE which should definitely be a sign of "authenticity".

  • JanKunJanKun

    @Gavinski said:
    There is clearly too much interest this time. I think 5 mins is a nice chunk of time per person, maybe 3 would be a minimum. If there are too many people interested I see two fair solutions

    1. Slots allocated on a first come first served basis, which was the original proposal for this and for Vampry. If people who got in early decide they want to give their slot to someone else, fair enough.

    2. Do a lottery once all names are in by a certain date. Some get in, some not, regardless of first come first served. That's more work on the part of whoever is administering it and to me also less fair than option 1 since the rules were laid down in the initial discussion and it's probably best to stick to them. If there is overflow, just pick a 2md movie and let the remainder get their names down for that?

    I believe the 5 minutes time frame per participant for the Vampyr was nice (it actually feels a bit short...). This gives time to each contributor to develop some ideas. Under 5 minutes feels way too short.
    The movie being 150 minutes, this should give space for approximately 30 participants. Your first come first serve is definitely the best option. Really hope I'll pass the cut this time cause this movie is really something special in human history.

  • el_boel_bo

    Wouldn't mind having a go, if there's space. Is it iOS only?

  • sevenapesevenape

    @JanKun said:

    @Gavinski said:
    There is clearly too much interest this time. I think 5 mins is a nice chunk of time per person, maybe 3 would be a minimum. If there are too many people interested I see two fair solutions

    1. Slots allocated on a first come first served basis, which was the original proposal for this and for Vampry. If people who got in early decide they want to give their slot to someone else, fair enough.

    2. Do a lottery once all names are in by a certain date. Some get in, some not, regardless of first come first served. That's more work on the part of whoever is administering it and to me also less fair than option 1 since the rules were laid down in the initial discussion and it's probably best to stick to them. If there is overflow, just pick a 2md movie and let the remainder get their names down for that?

    I believe the 5 minutes time frame per participant for the Vampyr was nice (it actually feels a bit short...). This gives time to each contributor to develop some ideas. Under 5 minutes feels way too short.
    The movie being 150 minutes, this should give space for approximately 30 participants. Your first come first serve is definitely the best option. Really hope I'll pass the cut this time cause this movie is really something special in human history.

    I agree first come first served is prolly fair

  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska
    edited January 2023

    @JanKun +1 to both points. If I don’t make the cut, so be it, I had my fun on Vampyr, and will stand aside, but… I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t like to be in this one!

    Metropolis is such a great movie.

    However it shakes out, I hope we go for the version with English subtitles, so it can actually be enjoyed as an actual movie by the largest possible audience…

    Also, @Sons_Cartouches : checked out your stuff - really good! I hope your actual goshdarn theremin makes it onto the soundtrack, as it is both in period and theme the perfect instrument for a project like this.

  • Kewe_EsseKewe_Esse

    It’s fascinating how quickly, and with what good nature, this group self-organises.

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @Kewe_Esse said:
    It’s fascinating how quickly, and with what good nature, this group self-organises.

    It’s the best most friendly forum I’ve ever been to.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @el_bo said:
    Wouldn't mind having a go, if there's space. Is it iOS only?

    Last time everyone used whatever, generally at least a bit of iOS but not laid down in law; I used mainly real instruments, with a bit of iOS synth on the side, I even used ableton to record into so I could have the video playing while I responded…

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @cyberheater said:

    @Kewe_Esse said:
    It’s fascinating how quickly, and with what good nature, this group self-organises.

    It’s the best most friendly forum I’ve ever been to.

    Yeah, I look at the vibe on gearspace occasionally and am sooo glad I hang out here instead haha

  • sevenapesevenape
    edited January 2023

    I vote that @Gavinski @Synthi and @Krupa be given slots no matter what, as they are hosting, mastering and editing respectively... (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). It seems fair.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @sevenape said:
    I vote that @Gavinski @Synthi and @Krupa be given slots no matter what, as they are hosting, mastering and editing respectively... (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). It seems fair.

    I’m actually quite happy just curating a bunch of valve generated sounds that people can either use in their pieces or not. I’ll probably stick them up as a free pack on gumroad so that they’re easy for anyone with an email address to access after all the hassle with Dropbox last time out…

  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska

    @Krupa : Ooh, I’m excited to try those out, even if I’m not in this project. I’ll whip em into Koala, maybe mix in a few of my electric zaps, and see what develops…

  • planetguitarplanetguitar

    Oh, yes. I want to score this project. I saw Metropolis New Year’s Eve 1999/2000 had a silent movie theater with organ and theremin accompaniment and have seen it many times.

  • McDMcD

    I will gladly step into a reserve category so no one that just showed up late gets blocked by me. Especially anyone that knows the drill from the first project and needs less work to integrate.

    On the good news front my wife is out of the hospital after 7 months. Lots of pain that we pray dissipates but with stomach surgeries there are cut nerves and pain may be a constant. Rather than sitting for hours on end watching nurses… I am the caregiver.

    Her cats are so glad to have her warmth for their naps and they offset a lot of pain as payment.

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