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@attakk I had a similar problem in a 2 year old unfinished NS2 project that I recently transfered from iPhone 8+ to iPad Pro 2018. There were 7 or 8 instances of SynthMaster 1, and one of the instances was playing the default preset instead of the preset I selected 2 years ago. I’m not sure if app or iOS updates caused some sort of problem, but it’s weirdly just the one track. I can’t be sure there isn’t some rare glitch in NS2, but I suspect the problem stems from the SM1 app updates. I don’t save AU presets as NS2 presets, so that is a difference with your case, but I wonder if your problem could be a similar updating of Buttersynth.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought I remember you saying (quite some time ago) that your NS2 workflow was similar to mine: get AUv3 tracks to audio ASAP. That doesn’t help much when in the development of a project you haven’t for sure for sure decided on a particular sound, but in my current project I am at that sweet spot where I can convert AUv3 tracks to audio in Slate or create Obsidian presets if the sounds is cool enough that I’ll likely use it again in the future. I just don’t trust AUv3 apps to work as expected when there is a large gap in time from starting to completeing a track. I had one problem on another project where the Phosphore app on one AUv3 track disappeared (dev removed it from AppStore) and the new version of the app of course didn’t have the preset sound I had tweaked. I’m waiting for the issues with Buttersynth to be worked out before I use it (it also probably isn’t ideal for the project I am working on right now), but if I were to use it I would quickly convert to Obsidian or Slate. I know you know that; just sayin’. Don’t trust AUv3.
@Slam_Cut
yup, very true, either resample whole loop into slate OR create multisamples for obsidian, if track is for me important and not just random experiment i’ll alway try to convert as much external stuff back into samples as possible
this.
Unfortunately when it come to top end synth advanced sound design no synth actually offer what is synth on MacOS like full Alchemy, Seum, Massive,Zebra…
BS is so far away of these serious pro standard synth , whatever the price is.
I will never buy a pro IPad 2000 USD without these at least Serum and Full Alchemy coming to iPadOS. Thanks tomy Mac bookAir M1 I got Logic Pro X full Alchemy and now Serum. MacBook Air M1 or M2 is really easy pro travel with better than a IPad Pro big screen.
Full IPad ios music studio mobile is just a marketing dream very expensive compare to traveling and jaming in big DJ festivals compare with my MacBook Air that cost 1400 usd only and work like a breeze with big PA system like you find in festivals.
A cat is a cat and IPad Pro at 2000 usd without topnoch synth is a Apple marketing joke as it not Pro at all to fit big live requirements and serious collab with top producers
well, when it comes to SW part of my production i didn’t touched desktop for 12 years
Never bought expensive models, usually low lange one (either mini or air). My first iOS only album was made partially on iPod Touch 4G and on iPad 2 with 16 gigs of diskspace
In what particular aspect those desktop synths are better than ones we have on iOS? 🤔 I can’t see anything so special about them and I’m eager to learn. 😅
SW ? Sorry to ask what is SW ? Many change in 12 years with MacBook Air M1 and M2 and you got all usb connection and the headphones jack , silly Apple to not have that on so pricey IPad Pro when you introduce sub LI4I and Final Cut Pro on IPadOS. Part of the problem is hardware choice of Apple for IPad
software … i just don’t use desktop for making music since summer 2010.. never looked back, never regret .. tried dew times just out of curiosity to go back (logic on desktop, reason) but after short try i just returned back to iOS, desktop workflow just kills my creativity
sometimes i use hw synths - usually sample them, last 2 years i used elektron boxes a lot for live jams, but when it comes to making music in DAW - since 2010 iOS provides me with all i need, so iPads really are my true mobile studio ..
The best way is to ask a friends that got Serum or even full Alchemy to use it and you will understand by yourself, when it come to music words are not explaining. I invest 1 month ago in Serum to do a collab and I hard, I understood using it. Before I was thinking it is snobbish and never bought before a VST on MacOS my daw is Logic Pro X . It cost money but now I understand why people cannot live with PianoTeq8.
On IoadOS you got good focus synth , I love particularly Hilda or Tera Pro but it is an other world . BS doesn’t meet actually that world and can’t be compared to Serum at All.
I respect yiur choice all is personal choice as I mix Desktop daw and IPAD OS music apps in a mobile set up with a MacBook Air M1, 1 TB external SSD too and 2 midi controlers Arturia Microlab and Novation Lauchpad X.
I've been working on desktop Alchemy for the past few years almost on a daily basis. That's why I ask you, in what aspect do you think this is better than synths we have on iOS. Was curious, nothing more, if you are new to the Alchemy or Serum I can understand, will stop pestering you.
Just one more thing,
first version of Alchemy from Camel Audio was not much better than what ButterSynth is now. Also Serum price is $189 vs ButterSynth $20. 🤔
i would say there is no sound in existence i can’t tweak on butter synth .. thaťs all what counts for me .. before Butter, Obsidian was very close to this but not exactly there because of few intentional compromises which were made during it’s developement to keep CPU footprint low … still for at least half of cases i pick Obsidian - BS is when i want top quality and don’t care about CPU footprint cause i will resamole it to wav anyway …
Hi @Slam_Cut - yes, well remembered in respect to me bouncing out to audio asap 👍😊 I still do it but I’m experimenting right now with the new Buttersynth (iPhone) so I have a dummy project specifically for learning and testing the synth. So nothing is “mission critical” and I am not working in the way I normally would - I will be back to my usual workflow shortly 😀
That said, not being able to render out to wav using NS2’s mixdown was a surprise - I’ve seen auv3 FX be like that but this is the first synth I’ve come across to not render out. I have not yet tried @dendy ‘s suggestion of increasing the pre-load time setting though.
If I can’t get it to work I have MTR as my fallback 👍
I talk about Alchemy stock plug in on latest Logic Pro X , the quality of the sound and richness and stability for a project is better , I can’t compare to when It was Camel Audio.
For serum with 1 month of practice I prefer how it fit my worflow , stability and deep richness of the sound. All is about ear and how you can create what you get in mind. BS it not at this stage, one time it will be perhaps the iOS Serum and if it meet serum I will pay 189 usd for BS no problem , 20 USD is the price as it is not Serum or best VST synth far away , the medium price for a very good synth according what exist on iOS .
Anyway if Serum go to IPadOS one day (we can dream) it will be over 100 USD and if the dev make BS like a serum serious alternative it deserve at least to be priced 50 USD .
1 month on Serum I am a newbie but with it I produce 2 track that meet the pro industry standard , I will not achieve that without buying Serum for this Collab for TomorrowLand 2023. And it is the proof that an hobbyist with doing a collab with a top DJ can achieve it dream to have its music that will be played on the main stage of one of the biggest festivals in the world. With BS never I will meet the high requirements for that collab even with years of experience in Sound design,
@BerlinFx, perhaps you could post links to these tracks of yours that put iOS to shame and maybe some people that work on getting the most out of iOS can see if they can match the quality you are achieving.
so much mambo-jambo
I will be happy to post but I can’t do that before TomorrowLand 2023 live as it was created in exclusivity only to be played live in this festival. After if I got the right to put on Soundcloud I will do it.
Ha! You will ever never get any tracks from mr Berlin…
We should be able to wait a few weeks until after Tomorrowland is done to hear some tasty tracks.
Meanwhile the discussion of Serum vs Buttersynth is interesting, and I think it would be more fun for BerlinFX to post some short examples of excellent Pro Quality Serum patches on SC and let’s see if @dendy can create comparable patches in Buttersynth. 😳
challenge accepted 🤝
@dendy is a very talented sound designer , on some iOS synth I used some of its patches on some track project full iPad iOS project. I respect a lot what he did. I made before using serum , 2 patches available under my name on Hilda Brambos a synth that I love a lot more focused than BS.
Like Dendy I hope in the future of BS , the dev do hard commitment working on that so respect to the dev
OK! That makes sense. You’re brave to tackle the iPhone version. I’m too deep into finishing up an album project to spend time experimenting, but I’ll be interested to hear how you fare. I usually record audio into AudioShare, then import back to NS2’s instrument library, or to the project for track-specific Slate audio. Have you tried exporting to AudioShare? I seem to remember an iOS update (year ago or so) causing IAA problems with AudioShare (possibly fixed in recent update?), so… I’m not sure it this will be an option. Still I’ll be interested to hear how it goes for you.
On desktop, without hesitation i would use Serum for such bass.
On iOS, i just pick Butter Synth. And i am satisfied with result.
I just love this synth. It’s massive.
I agree with @dendy. Im all iOS and have been for a few years except for occasional hardware and I don’t find myself really “missing” anything. We have super powerful and amazing sounding synths on iOS and BS is up there with the best of the best. Hoping the crashes for everyone gets resolved soon so it doesn’t taint its name.
I just feel no need to go back to desktop or all hardware. I rarely even use hardware anymore honestly. Im way more inspired using iOS. The workflow is the best I’ve used.
Hopefully someone can help me out here. Maybe @dendy?
I can’t work out what activating a blue square on the Arpeggiator Sequencer grid does? There are 8 squares for each grid step but activating any except the lowest one just appears to mute the step, which can be done using the green/red switches at the bottom anyway. What is the purpose of this grid and how is it used? I’ve checked the manual but didn’t see it explained (unless I missed it?). All of the other tabs make sense to me but I’m confused by this one.
Anyone try using Portamento in Buttersynth ? I can't seem to dial-in just a small amount... the displayed value goes down to 0.1 but in reality I don't hear any difference below a value of 25.
I'm no expert on the seq but if you add e.g four blue on top of each other and hold down four keys it will play them simultaneously so, i.e a chord if that's what you hold down.
Ah, I begin to see now, many thanks @Pxlhg. Unusually for Butter Synth, a bit of a confusing UI element! So, the blue boxes/grid allocate whether a chord will be played on that step (if a chord is being held on the keyboard/piano roll) and how many notes in that held chord will be sounded. The blue boxes need to be selected starting at the bottom of the lane to choose the number of notes heard - even though they can be freely selected in any other way, which will have no effect! Am I understanding correctly?
Yeah something like that, I think - I really don't know and can't check now either, @tk32 has done a wonderful job with the manual, is it nothing in there?
Well, the manual says this below, but I can’t get my head around exactly what it means and how it correlates to the behaviour of sounding chords just noted:
“ Sequence (Seq) lets you manually override the current play order by programming your own sequence of notes. The notes in the sequence are represented as numbers according to the order in which they are played or their pitch order (if played simultaneously). For example, if you play a CMaj triad with a sequence of
2-3-1 the arp will play the middle note (E) first, followed by the highest note (G) and then ending on the root note (C) before repeating this sequence. Note - any gaps in the manually configured sequence will be filled in according to the current "play order" setting.”
@tk32, could you help? My definition/understanding doesn’t seem to be right after all. How is the Sequence grid actually used?