Logic Pro is NOT the Game Changier app we think it is…yet

el_bo

@Samu said:
I won't miss things like the dreaded environment in Logic which was mainly used as a work-around to add scale filters, arpeggiators, midi/note-mapping etc.

I think you're selling Logic's environment way too short. From. my limited understanding, it is (or was) the backbone of Logic.

Here's a particularly infamous example of the 'Environment' in use:

https://www.makou.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/10021101.pdf

And here's Brecker in action, in what is surely the greatest super-group of all time:

Full concert, here, if interested. Watch it quick, as these uploads tend to get deleted:

Check the bass groove Jaco lays down on the opener. I have it on good authority that such grooves will be possible in the iPad version of Logic

Michael_R_Grant

@pepebaõ said:

@OnfraySin said:
Any mod can join this thread with the main thread about LP?

Why is it so embarrassing if @seonnthaproducer wants to express his ideas in a dedicated thread ? is it forbidden by a rule ?

But he hasn't expressed his 'ideas', he's presenting conjecture as fact. The very premise of the thread is a lie.

ErrkaPetti

@Michael_R_Grant said:

@pepebaõ said:

@OnfraySin said:
Any mod can join this thread with the main thread about LP?

Why is it so embarrassing if @seonnthaproducer wants to express his ideas in a dedicated thread ? is it forbidden by a rule ?

But he hasn't expressed his 'ideas', he's presenting conjecture as fact. The very premise of the thread is a lie.

Yeah, that’s true…
I’m pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPad will be awesome and, will surprise all “Pros” out there…
Apple has been develop this iPad version for a long long time, so, expect it to be a replica of the Mac version…

Crabman

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Michael_R_Grant said:

@pepebaõ said:

@OnfraySin said:
Any mod can join this thread with the main thread about LP?

Why is it so embarrassing if @seonnthaproducer wants to express his ideas in a dedicated thread ? is it forbidden by a rule ?

But he hasn't expressed his 'ideas', he's presenting conjecture as fact. The very premise of the thread is a lie.

Yeah, that’s true…
I’m pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPad will be awesome and, will surprise all “Pros” out there…
Apple has been develop this iPad version for a long long time, so, expect it to be a replica of the Mac version…

By your logic (ha…), you do the the same mistake as op. You repeat that it will be a „full replica“ without any evidence. some lpx features doesn‘t even make sense on ipad. You should know this if lpx is your daw of choice. The interface is also not the same, how can it be a „replica“?

A_Fox

@Samu said:
Some desperately seek attention by creating threads and formulate the content like they ‘know’ something that others don’t. I call that social media / influencer disease and it’s more like a toxic virus.

Until we get our hands or fingers on it we can only play the ‘feature guessing’ game.
I suggest we all keep cool until the 23rd and then post our reactions…

Thats how I’m gonna roll… I hear it will have a free trial so I’m going to give it a fair try.
Nothing to lose but time!

AndyPlankton

@supadom said:

@CracklePot said:

@BroCoast said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Do you have a source for this info? I haven't seen anything online confirming or denying this info as facts.

From what I can see it is basically a pro version of Garageband and still missing a lot from Logic.

I wish they would just release the real GarageBand instead of more lite version crap.

Garage band pro!

It would have to be called something like StageBand or StudioBand

Simon

@AndyPlankton said:
It would have to be called something like StageBand or StudioBand

They could call it "Soundtrack"!

Er, no... wait a minute...

Strizbiz

It won’t be a game changer for some and it will be for others, it all depends on the user.

auxmux

@ervin said:
I hope the OP is in fact a social experiment. If it is, it's working beautifully. 🙂👌

Since the announcement, commenter after commenter has confidently asserted how LP for iPad will be a full equivalent to the desktop version. Without any evidence, of course, as the actual product is not available yet. Pretty much none of them were called out, as that would go against the feeding frenzy.

Now comes a guy with an opposite prediction. Also with zero evidence, as there still isn't any. But he's called out immediately, often by the same people who made the previous, similarly unfounded predictions. Hilarious, but entertaining.

100% this, lol. The hyperbole express is fully rolling, but any contrarian views that Logic is not the holy grail are questioned.

Gavinski

@auxmux said:

@ervin said:
I hope the OP is in fact a social experiment. If it is, it's working beautifully. 🙂👌

Since the announcement, commenter after commenter has confidently asserted how LP for iPad will be a full equivalent to the desktop version. Without any evidence, of course, as the actual product is not available yet. Pretty much none of them were called out, as that would go against the feeding frenzy.

Now comes a guy with an opposite prediction. Also with zero evidence, as there still isn't any. But he's called out immediately, often by the same people who made the previous, similarly unfounded predictions. Hilarious, but entertaining.

100% this, lol. The hyperbole express is fully rolling, but any contrarian views that Logic is not the holy grail are questioned.

Fair point, but I think the assumption that Logic Pro on ipad will have at least more or less parity with the desktop abilities is reasonable, based on the fact they share the same name. As others have said, it's not called Logic Pro Lite! What seems to have riled people is that Seonn's post presented his musings as facts. Maybe it was just a lapse of communication style. Or maybe he has access to privileged info. Only time will tell! I'm sure Lady Apptitude's friend who worked on Logic for ipad could tell her all we need to know and she could clarify for us, but I'm equally sure he's under an nda.

ZooBaaDoo

Logic Pro is NOT the Game Changier app we think it is…yet… ‘He’s just a very naught boy’

auxmux

@Gavinski said:

@auxmux said:

@ervin said:
I hope the OP is in fact a social experiment. If it is, it's working beautifully. 🙂👌

Since the announcement, commenter after commenter has confidently asserted how LP for iPad will be a full equivalent to the desktop version. Without any evidence, of course, as the actual product is not available yet. Pretty much none of them were called out, as that would go against the feeding frenzy.

Now comes a guy with an opposite prediction. Also with zero evidence, as there still isn't any. But he's called out immediately, often by the same people who made the previous, similarly unfounded predictions. Hilarious, but entertaining.

100% this, lol. The hyperbole express is fully rolling, but any contrarian views that Logic is not the holy grail are questioned.

Fair point, but I think the assumption that Logic Pro on ipad will have at least more or less parity with the desktop abilities is reasonable, based on the fact they share the same name. As others have said, it's not called Logic Pro Lite! What seems to have riled people is that Seonn's post presented his musings as facts. Maybe it was just a lapse of communication style. Or maybe he has access to privileged info. Only time will tell! I'm sure Lady Apptitude's friend who worked on Logic for ipad could tell her all we need to know and she could clarify for us, but I'm equally sure he's under an nda.

Yeah agreed. I'll try it like everybody else but it's not that's a must've have or something I've been pining for.

To be fair, I got Logic last year on desktop and it's much better than I imagined. Some things are still clunky but the clip launcher and iPad integration are well done. I prefer Bitwig overall tho.

Gavinski

@auxmux said:

@Gavinski said:

@auxmux said:

@ervin said:
I hope the OP is in fact a social experiment. If it is, it's working beautifully. 🙂👌

Since the announcement, commenter after commenter has confidently asserted how LP for iPad will be a full equivalent to the desktop version. Without any evidence, of course, as the actual product is not available yet. Pretty much none of them were called out, as that would go against the feeding frenzy.

Now comes a guy with an opposite prediction. Also with zero evidence, as there still isn't any. But he's called out immediately, often by the same people who made the previous, similarly unfounded predictions. Hilarious, but entertaining.

100% this, lol. The hyperbole express is fully rolling, but any contrarian views that Logic is not the holy grail are questioned.

Fair point, but I think the assumption that Logic Pro on ipad will have at least more or less parity with the desktop abilities is reasonable, based on the fact they share the same name. As others have said, it's not called Logic Pro Lite! What seems to have riled people is that Seonn's post presented his musings as facts. Maybe it was just a lapse of communication style. Or maybe he has access to privileged info. Only time will tell! I'm sure Lady Apptitude's friend who worked on Logic for ipad could tell her all we need to know and she could clarify for us, but I'm equally sure he's under an nda.

Yeah agreed. I'll try it like everybody else but it's not that's a must've have or something I've been pining for.

To be fair, I got Logic last year on desktop and it's much better than I imagined. Some things are still clunky but the clip launcher and iPad integration are well done. I prefer Bitwig overall tho.

Pretty sure I would go for bigwig over logic if I worked on desktop.

seonnthaproducer

@Simon said:
After these responses I wonder if he'll do another "my controversial post of the year" next year...?

Not a bad idea, but nah.

My post was based on publicly available information, and mainly speculation. Even mentioned this in the beginning and end of thread. “controversial post”, “hey, I could be wrong”

What I did observe in the video demo, the sounds being mentioned and used screams GarageBand for iOS, with a decent amount of improvements. Which is fine, but I’d rather we underestimate Logic, and be pleasantly surprised, than build a super hype machine that can’t deliver.

1 - Logic has to be redesigned to take advantage of the touch UI. It can’t be a 1 to 1 port. For one, desktop Logic is in the 60 - 70GB range if we include all the features. Running that on a base iPad with no multi core will definitely be impressive if it manages to keep up with the full features

2 - The automation demoed is stock automation. Riser FX, Side chain demoed in the video doesn’t make use of external AU. There’s always the possibility of Apple doing something unexpected, but I’m pitching the idea that maybe we should hold a bit of cautious optimism, as opposed to full blown hype.

3. Unless by some miracle, AUv2 projects on desktop won’t transfer to the iPad. I do see this happening for future plugins made using their Universal development environment.

4. Apple still needs to sell desktop Macs. It makes no sense to cannibalize their sale of that. So, it’s easier to make another app that is supported, yet also have a reason to go to the full blown desktop, while also drawing revenue from the desktop users as well.

Hype is a powerful thing. But it’s very easy for one’s perspective to shift from being a super fan to completely destroying a project. We’ve had this happen with apps like Nanostudio 2, Reason Compact, and much more.

That said, the true game changier of this is the companies that will be attracted to iOS as a platform. That I’m looking forward to, but it won’t be…yet.

[Deleted User]

@seonnthaproducer said:
4. Apple still needs to sell desktop Macs. It makes no sense to cannibalize their sale of that.

Well, I’ve just worked out that a similarly specced iPad, cost more than my 1/512 Mini + monitor last year - so they’d actually be making more profit from taking desktop sales.

The iPads that can pull enough weight to accommodate iOS Logic ain’t gonna be cheap.

Gavinski

It IS a redesigned port, as it should be! Screenshots showing that it has a adapted to touch screen are zero proof that it's a dumbed down version. It should of course be a different version. That doesn't equate to it being not on a par with the desktop version. It may or may not be. That we don't yet know. We do know that you can download as many or as few of the extra sound libraries etc as you want on Logic Pro on desktop already, so there's very little reason to think that wouldn't apply to ios too.

I think it's important to distinguish 'features' from sound libraries Seonn.

2. The fact that demo videos don't show auv3 automation is not equivalent to your assertion in your original post that it doesn't do that. Yes, it may not, but don't claim that it doesn't unless you have proof to the contrary.

About your point 4, it may be true. But many desktop users already have huge investments in desktop only plugins. They're not going to be able to switch their workflow to ios overnight, and even if those desktop plugins do become available on iOS, it will be a huge expense for them to transition fully to ios. Not gonna happen, hence very little threat to apple's logic desktop market. Especially as that is not - on at least not currently - a subscription based model. Hardcore desktop heads will just keep using desktop.

I just see faulty reasoning all over the place here, sorry brother

LeeB

@ervin said:
I hope the OP is in fact a social experiment. If it is, it's working beautifully. 🙂👌

Since the announcement, commenter after commenter has confidently asserted how LP for iPad will be a full equivalent to the desktop version. Without any evidence, of course, as the actual product is not available yet. Pretty much none of them were called out, as that would go against the feeding frenzy.

Now comes a guy with an opposite prediction. Also with zero evidence, as there still isn't any. But he's called out immediately, often by the same people who made the previous, similarly unfounded predictions. Hilarious, but entertaining.

The blinkers are firmly on for those that think this will change the world.
For what it’s worth, I think what I’ve seen is fugly. Sorry to be controversial.
I hated GarageBand ios, apart from the clever acoustic instruments.
I also think the price/subscription is fair, but I doubt I will go for it.

Grandbear

I dislike, but understand, clickbaiting that generates some sort of revenue. But this? I don't get it.

hes

@seonnthaproducer said:
1 - Logic has to be redesigned to take advantage of the touch UI. It can’t be a 1 to 1 port. For one, desktop Logic is in the 60 - 70GB range if we include all the features. Running that on a base iPad with no multi core will definitely be impressive if it manages to keep up with the full features

Your original point (1) implied that there was some problem created by the fact that iPads are ARM-based. Ignoring that desktop M1 and M2 processors are ARM and Logic runs natively on them. So at least you're no longer claiming that ARM is an issue. Nice move.

To address what's left of your current point (1):

-- "redesigned to take advantage of the touch UI": yes, brilliant observation

-- "full install is 70GB+": Yes, and almost all of this is in sample data and instrument plugins. The actual executable part of the app isn't especially large. Furthermore, while some people may intuit that large programs are for some reason slow, no, size of app doesn't necessarily affect speed of operation.

-- "base iPad with no multicore" ??? All iPads are multicore. All of the processors that Logic Pro on iPad will run on are extremely capable. In case of M1 and M2, the processors are identical to desktop. In case of A12 Bionic and others, they are extremely capable, nearly the equals of M1 and M2, certainly faster than many desktop machines on which Logic Pro runs fine.

supadom

@monz0id said:

@seonnthaproducer said:
4. Apple still needs to sell desktop Macs. It makes no sense to cannibalize their sale of that.

Well, I’ve just worked out that a similarly specced iPad, cost more than my 1/512 Mini + monitor last year - so they’d actually be making more profit from taking desktop sales.

The iPads that can pull enough weight to accommodate iOS Logic ain’t gonna be cheap.

I just bought 11” pro 3rd gen for £399 and sold my old 11” pro 2nd gen for £375. £24 + eBay fees upgrade.

It requires a bit of time to find one under average price used and then sell yours over average price.

In other news I bought a 6s for my daughter and delaminated the screen while trying to replace the battery so, all in all the luck evened out. 😅

Crabman

@Gavinski said:

@auxmux said:

@ervin said:
I hope the OP is in fact a social experiment. If it is, it's working beautifully. 🙂👌

Since the announcement, commenter after commenter has confidently asserted how LP for iPad will be a full equivalent to the desktop version. Without any evidence, of course, as the actual product is not available yet. Pretty much none of them were called out, as that would go against the feeding frenzy.

Now comes a guy with an opposite prediction. Also with zero evidence, as there still isn't any. But he's called out immediately, often by the same people who made the previous, similarly unfounded predictions. Hilarious, but entertaining.

100% this, lol. The hyperbole express is fully rolling, but any contrarian views that Logic is not the holy grail are questioned.

Fair point, but I think the assumption that Logic Pro on ipad will have at least more or less parity with the desktop abilities is reasonable, based on the fact they share the same name. As others have said, it's not called Logic Pro Lite! What seems to have riled people is that Seonn's post presented his musings as facts. Maybe it was just a lapse of communication style. Or maybe he has access to privileged info. Only time will tell! I'm sure Lady Apptitude's friend who worked on Logic for ipad could tell her all we need to know and she could clarify for us, but I'm equally sure he's under an nda.

What about all the other apps from apple? Pages, Garageband, iMovie etc? Are they equal to their desktop counterparts? They should,right? No one has a“lite“ in the name, implying it‘s the real deal.

Gavinski

@Crabman said:

@Gavinski said:

@auxmux said:

@ervin said:
I hope the OP is in fact a social experiment. If it is, it's working beautifully. 🙂👌

Since the announcement, commenter after commenter has confidently asserted how LP for iPad will be a full equivalent to the desktop version. Without any evidence, of course, as the actual product is not available yet. Pretty much none of them were called out, as that would go against the feeding frenzy.

Now comes a guy with an opposite prediction. Also with zero evidence, as there still isn't any. But he's called out immediately, often by the same people who made the previous, similarly unfounded predictions. Hilarious, but entertaining.

100% this, lol. The hyperbole express is fully rolling, but any contrarian views that Logic is not the holy grail are questioned.

Fair point, but I think the assumption that Logic Pro on ipad will have at least more or less parity with the desktop abilities is reasonable, based on the fact they share the same name. As others have said, it's not called Logic Pro Lite! What seems to have riled people is that Seonn's post presented his musings as facts. Maybe it was just a lapse of communication style. Or maybe he has access to privileged info. Only time will tell! I'm sure Lady Apptitude's friend who worked on Logic for ipad could tell her all we need to know and she could clarify for us, but I'm equally sure he's under an nda.

What about all the other apps from apple? Pages, Garageband, iMovie etc? Are they equal to their desktop counterparts? They should,right? No one has a“lite“ in the name, implying it‘s the real deal.

That I don't know - I stick to ipad generally - but will be interested to hear from others who use these on both platforms.

NeuM

@Crabman said:

@Gavinski said:

@auxmux said:

@ervin said:
I hope the OP is in fact a social experiment. If it is, it's working beautifully. 🙂👌

Since the announcement, commenter after commenter has confidently asserted how LP for iPad will be a full equivalent to the desktop version. Without any evidence, of course, as the actual product is not available yet. Pretty much none of them were called out, as that would go against the feeding frenzy.

Now comes a guy with an opposite prediction. Also with zero evidence, as there still isn't any. But he's called out immediately, often by the same people who made the previous, similarly unfounded predictions. Hilarious, but entertaining.

100% this, lol. The hyperbole express is fully rolling, but any contrarian views that Logic is not the holy grail are questioned.

Fair point, but I think the assumption that Logic Pro on ipad will have at least more or less parity with the desktop abilities is reasonable, based on the fact they share the same name. As others have said, it's not called Logic Pro Lite! What seems to have riled people is that Seonn's post presented his musings as facts. Maybe it was just a lapse of communication style. Or maybe he has access to privileged info. Only time will tell! I'm sure Lady Apptitude's friend who worked on Logic for ipad could tell her all we need to know and she could clarify for us, but I'm equally sure he's under an nda.

What about all the other apps from apple? Pages, Garageband, iMovie etc? Are they equal to their desktop counterparts? They should,right? No one has a“lite“ in the name, implying it‘s the real deal.

You are correct. All iOS apps are different from their desktop counterparts, in small ways and large. Let's see how comparable the two different versions of Logic Pro are... once released.

thesoundtestroom

I just want to say that I am following all of the LP threads with great interest, all of them are generating loads of very interesting discussion.
I definitely won’t be deleting any threads or posts here, wether or not they are LP threads or not, unless people start ripping chunks out of each other it’s all cool beans😎

Something this big coming to iOS is bound to create huge interest and debate, especially given the pricing model, so it’s good to debate it.

I suspect over the coming weeks and probably months there will be many many more threads related to LP.

Please, just keep in mind the new rules, be respectful of other people’s opinions👍😊
Doug

Gavinski

@thesoundtestroom said:
I just want to say that I am following all of the LP threads with great interest, all of them are generating loads of very interesting discussion.
I definitely won’t be deleting any threads or posts here, wether or not they are LP threads or not, unless people start ripping chunks out of each other it’s all cool beans😎

Something this big coming to iOS is bound to create huge interest and debate, especially given the pricing model, so it’s good to debate it.

I suspect over the coming weeks and probably months there will be many many more threads related to LP.

Please, just keep in mind the new rules, be respectful of other people’s opinions👍😊
Doug

Right on Doug!

scrape

Can’t say I’m blown away from what I’ve seen so far. Now, if they did a nice driver for my Emagic AMT8 I might be persuaded to buy an iPad. Currently though, unlike Roland, Steinberg and Korg, they’re leaving out the phones. I moved to Davinci Resolve years ago and much prefer it on desktop, it’s going to take a lot more to drag me away from that and Ableton. I’m more looking forward to the competitions response. Alchemy is nice synth though, I did a lot of work with it before Apple swallowed Camel Audio and I moved on.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@cyberheater said:
I’ve had my fun and that’s all that matters.

And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain.

Ailerom

@rs2000 said:

@enkaytee said:

@Ailerom said:

@seonnthaproducer said:
3. Another limitation of Logic for iPad is that it only supports AUv3 plugins. While this will encourage some developers to create iPad-compatible versions of their plugins, it also means that users will need to purchase new versions of plugins that they already own.

You've lost me there. Why would anyone need to purchase plugins they already own?

I guess because the desktop version supports AUv2 which is still more 'standard' for most Mac developers? So if your favourite desktop plugin was AUv2 only you'd need to purchase an AUv3 version for the ipad (if it was available). I'm only guessing here because I know very little about plugin support for Logic Pro on the desktop...

Indeed this could be one of the disadvantages: Many AUv2 plugins on desktop have no AUv3 version for iOS and I doubt that many developers will invest the time and trouble to make a stable AUv3 version.
Being able to sell the same plugin again might push them forward though

I still don't get it. It's like saying as a Cubase user, when they released Cubasis I had to buy auv3 alternatives. If you are a Logic user no one has to start using it on an iPad at all. I can't imagine there is a world of people out there who have been waiting for this release to rush out and buy an iPad. I may be wrong but it seems practically irrelevant to me.

jwmmakerofmusic

@Grandbear said:
I dislike, but understand, clickbaiting that generates some sort of revenue. But this? I don't get it.

Yeah, I'm in a similar train of thought. Just doesn't make sense.

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@thesoundtestroom said:
I just want to say that I am following all of the LP threads with great interest, all of them are generating loads of very interesting discussion.
I definitely won’t be deleting any threads or posts here, wether or not they are LP threads or not, unless people start ripping chunks out of each other it’s all cool beans😎

Something this big coming to iOS is bound to create huge interest and debate, especially given the pricing model, so it’s good to debate it.

I suspect over the coming weeks and probably months there will be many many more threads related to LP.

Please, just keep in mind the new rules, be respectful of other people’s opinions👍😊
Doug

Good. Being respectful is of the utmost importance. That said, having multiple threads about Logic Pro is a good thing, especially since some of them spark some pretty hilarious humour.

And here's a controversial opinion I hope folks will respect - I daresay that Logic Pro is a bigger deal than Drambo was. People still talk about Drambo to this day, but I don't see the banter about Logic Pro dying down anytime soon. We live in exciting times, mate.

[Deleted User]

@supadom said:

@monz0id said:

@seonnthaproducer said:
4. Apple still needs to sell desktop Macs. It makes no sense to cannibalize their sale of that.

Well, I’ve just worked out that a similarly specced iPad, cost more than my 1/512 Mini + monitor last year - so they’d actually be making more profit from taking desktop sales.

The iPads that can pull enough weight to accommodate iOS Logic ain’t gonna be cheap.

I just bought 11” pro 3rd gen for £399 and sold my old 11” pro 2nd gen for £375. £24 + eBay fees upgrade.

Good deal!

I’m rubbish at buying second-hand stuff, and I usually hang on to old devices (I’ve still got my original iPod and 3GS iPhone here somewhere), but I may seriously look at an Apple refurb this time, and possibly a trade-in with my Air 4. Or stick it in the drawer with the others…