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Is AI the future of music Production?
Hey everyone,
Have you ever stopped to think about how AI might influence our creative process in the studio? I don't mean just as a tool to assist in mixing or mastering, but as an active participant in the creative process itself.
Imagine an AI that can generate unique, high-quality samples on the fly. A system that learns from your style and complements your beats, making your workflow smoother and faster. It's like having a virtual collaborator who's always ready to jam with you, 24/7...
Have any of you had the chance to play around with something like this? What was your experience like? Did it add to your creativity, or did it feel like it was taking something away?
And, looking forward to the future, how do you feel about the increasing presence of AI in music production? Are you excited about the possibilities, or are you a bit skeptical? Maybe you're a bit of both, like me.
I'm curious to hear about your experiences and thoughts. No right or wrong answers here, just a chance to share our perspectives as we navigate these interesting times in music production.
Let's chat!
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Good point. Like the AI art you may be able to text in a request for a sample in a particular style and key etc. The market size will likely determine whether or not it comes around or not.
@robosardine, in this particular use case, would you be hyped or a user of such AI generated Samples if the output where very convincing?
Do you think of other applications of AI in your daily music routine, workflow?
I am using AI (GitHub Copilot) daily in my job during coding and it greatly increases my effecrivity, decreases number of bugs and in general saves me a lot of time.
When i make musi Ii don’t want to be effective and fast - i want to enjoy every second i spend with synths. I make music to enjoy the process, i love making mistakes because from them often unexpected ideas arises.
I don’t see any reason to use AI for music.
Yes I would absolutely use them - I think most people would.
I can’t think of any current examples that I might be using. Maybe there is some on the go that I’m not aware of?
Yeah, seems to miss the whole point for me, ditto AI in art.
Making art, and playing music, are pure pleasure for me.
Why on Earth would I want to make those processes any shorter?
https://www.harmonai.org/
Quality on this one has certainly been improving the past little while. not sure if it is the underlying tech or the users getting more savvy or both...?
But yah, I love making music and would still certainly plunk every note and tap every beat. For sound design and sampling though I am looking forward to experimenting with it more. So far the ones I tried that seem to have the most potential (demonstrated by others) are pretty esoteric to use still.
Maybe humans will re-learn that making music is at its heart a journey/experience, not a product.
Definitely the way ahead!
My biggest worry is that anyone who does not want to take part in the world of AI-assisted music will no longer be able to prove that they wrote a piece of music themselves. Many people will not care about this aspect at all, and that is perfectly fine. For me though, I fear that the ego-driven sense of achievement I get from writing music will be blunted as there will be no way I will be able to prove to people that I wrote it. I would still get the personal satisfaction, but if everyone can create amazing music by pressing a button then who is going to care about your music? Imagine I write my first symphony, proudly show it to a friend and they say “Sounds great man! So, which version of SymphonyScribe did you get to write/help you with that? You wrote it yourself? Sure man, sure you did!”. They then proceed to feed your piece into their 5 year-old’s Tomy SongMaker and it spits out a much better version of your symphony, like Mozart belittling Salieri, except Mozart is a piece of plastic with a funny cow face.
Camera manufacturers are trying to solve this by embedding something in hardware to prove that a photo came from a camera. Can anyone think of a way that you will be able to prove a person wrote a piece of music without AI assistance? I would love to hear it. I have seen written that “100% human” will be a badge of honour for future musicians, but I can’t see how they can ever prove it once Pandora’s box has been opened.
I don’t think the tech is quite at this point, but it can’t be far off now.
yah music is practically real-time already heh. The thing I do like about image Ai tools is that it does make the process feel more like music production for me, particularly when 3d is in the mix.
Probably depends on whether or not the human in question is making a jingle for a dog food commercial or expressing how they feel about a breakup.
Yah the game graphics world is being a bit shook up by these sorts of things too. Especially when you have so many people who flat out know nothing about them and do not use them so they do not have context for what is easy/hard etc. But even my relatives ten years ago thought you just told the computer what you wanted and it gave you awesome CG. There will be a period of time where people do get acclaim and kudos for their own proprietary processes that enable them to open the spigot on infinite niche 'content' that others cannot match but they will get absorbed too. Who knows? It is all very exciting, depressing, amazing and horrifying.
If the future is going to be an infinite regurgitation of everything that has come before, as the creativity-deficient tech bros would like to see, then AI will deliver (because that's how AI works currently).
I'm hoping that creative humans will come up with new stuff, however.
holy snot that sounds amazing!
Humans using AI as a tool ftw
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AI can be both important and funny to use, but, the future seems scary…
Today I use several different AI services like ‘Audio to MIDI’, Adobe Firefly, ChatGPT etc…
Stunning results from all three above!
Only in case it is your intention to build something with AI :-)) .. like building proper prompt for language model, based on which it creates something which actually looks/sounds like your intention is pretty much far away from easy
So for somebody it may be form of art - to build art using creative prompts through LLM .. at the end, those models are just tools, nothing else ..
So i can see how for somebody using AI is form of art. And that is OK.
I guess it depends on your definition of art, the general consensus is art is something that is created by an artist.
Typing a few words into a computer app, that mashes up existing artwork it’s scraped to pump out a digital image, doesn’t make that person an artist. Just as randomly running my fingers over some pads in Drumjam doesn’t make me a drummer.
Sure some artists and illustrators will use it as a tool to enhance their workflow, just as musicians will use AI generators, sequencers etc., but AI on its own without human creative input, is just digital wallpaper, or noise.
Very well put.
There is also the problem that artworks of any type created by Al are works without an author. The person giving the text prompt can’t claim to be the author and neither can the person who created the AI system - both parties are fooling themselves if they think they are. Now think about your favourite works of art in any medium from any time - what do you think about? Just the work of art or the work of art and the person who made it and what you may know of their life? For myself it’s the latter - the work of art is absolutely entangled with its author; and even if the author is unknown to you, you still know it was created by a human being and the work of art creates a connection between yourself and that person. This is obviously not the case with works created by AI and is a bigger problem than it might at first appear as artworks will be flooding into the world which are ultimately meaningless, worthless, however brilliant they might be technically. Indeed, the better the results from AI become, the sadder this state of affairs will be. The computer isn’t conscious. It isn’t expressing itself to you or trying to communicate its own thoughts and ideas, it is simply churning out acceptable variations on the rules it’s learnt. Some might argue that a sequence of musical notes written by AI has the exact same value as if those notes were written in that order by a person - I disagree. It is profoundly important that works of art have an author.
As you say @MisplacedDevelopment, how will people prove that their melody wasn’t written by AI? More terrifyingly, once AI is finally, truly able to write genuinely brilliant music, how long do you think it will take a computer to perform its party trick and write/compute all of the acceptable musical compositions ever possible within our human defined keys and scales? I fear this technology is going to do enormous harm and fundamentally change what it is to be human.
Not in my house
I fear this technology is going to do enormous harm and fundamentally change what it is to be human.
Elon said this 5 years ago
I agree, when thinking about using for my own purposes. Big part of my goal is to have fun making music. Why would I want to farm that out?
But, there is huge segment of music makers in the world who produce music for money. Think, movie and television soundtracks, soundtracks for commercials, game soundtracks, etc. Even if these music makers produce music for fun on their own time, when they're on the clock they likely want to make the most effective use of time. They're doing a job, and very likely doing it under time constraints. I see AI as having important use for them in increasing efficiency and, probably, quality.
It is really not about "typing few words" ... if you type few words into midjourney you get back just generic AI crap... if you start elaborate with complex long prompts also tweak lot of settings you can get out of it something which nobody else can... AI art is same art like any other type of art...
Typing prompts into an app is not creating art.
Seriously? Come on.
Hey if it keeps me from auditioning 3,814 snares and then not picking one and closing the app then ok.
I believe AI will be in some ways like working in the studio with another producer or assistant. The sad thing is talent will maybe slowly dissolve away because AI will be learning constantly the "Human touch" and be constantly updating. The music though may evolve to a new level, but not in a good way. The best music I still believe was made in the 60's- to late '80s, when computers and technology were not as involved. The human was the main element controlling instruments.
Sure, the jingle writer is in big ass trouble.
@MisplacedDevelopment: “They then proceed to feed your piece into their 5 year-old’s Tomy SongMaker and it spits out a much better version of your symphony, like Mozart belittling Salieri, except Mozart is a piece of plastic with a funny cow face.”
Something like https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/index.html for audio?
Music production as a business will change inevitably and irrevocably. But music, as an act of human expression and communication and creation, is as close to a sacred act as many of us can imagine. The intrusion of “AI” into this domain will only accelerate the increasingly bleak distinction between esthetic manufacture and invention.
It’s grotesque.
By the way, I also use copilot every day, and I find it mostly useless, beyond acting as a somewhat more complete autosuggestion tool. For rote tasks it can spit out 10 lines of boilerplate, but for anything actually complex or subtle, it just lies to you, often hallucinating methods that don’t even exist in the framework you’re coding for.