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Everyone can operate like Fagen and Baker these days
Talking about the beauty of music.
To me beauty in music is often related to context and AI music even if a construct of experiences of billions of people the algo was based on, it doesn’t move me as much as an experience of a single human. I see AI music as functional. I think it will excel at that.
You and I agree on most points, and I do think that music that is distinctly human will be valued more in the future as AI moves many forms of music to a homogenized vanilla. That said, I think you will be surprised what creative people will do with the algorithms and the generative possibilities with AI. It's like any other tool, someone will figure out how to make it work for humans in a way that we cannot conceive right now. It wasn't until the Davies brothers took a knife to the cones of their speakers that we got distorted guitar, right?
I think this is true. Creative people will use AI as a tool, just as they do with generative sequencers etc, or for that matter the bleeps and bloops of long modular sessions that then (often but not always) get cut and pasted into something a bit more coherent. Or the creative things people do with loops and samples.
There will be a period of disruption where many creatives suffer financially. I wouldn't dare try to predict whether enough new avenues of creative expression will be found to replace all those creative jobs lost by this. Look how few tailors or carpenters there are now compared to 100 years ago. But hey, there were no software programmers, DJs or a myriad of other skilled and interesting jobs that exist today back then either.
Lots of people, whether audience or performers, will also prefer what they perceive as the authenticity of someone just getting on a stage with nothing but their voice and an acoustic guitar, or the felt connection of watching a tight band play off of each other.
Let's not underestimate the power of nostalgia and tangible objects. Video didn't really kill the radio star in the end... Podcasts have flourished in recent years. Vinyl has had a revival, the popularity of YouTube channels like Hainbach's still shows how much people love vintage gear, even if the same can be done with a much cheaper app or plugin.
Cycling was deeply unfashionable among most of the middle and upper class youth in urban China until bike sharing apps became a big thing some years ago. Sometimes tech actually brings old habits back into fashion. That has put a lot more people on bikes, but it has also put a lot of bike shops out of business, and most bikes ridden today in China are owned by a handful of large companies. The upside is that many are choosing to ride a bike to or from a subway stop rather than take a bus. Better for pollution. Not so good if you're a bus driver.
Culture is complex!
Will machine learning systems deliver us the next Barry Manilow, Lionel Ritchie or Donna Summer? I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t. Will it deliver to us the next Wendy O. Williams, The Residents or Rush? I kind of doubt it.
Nile Rodgers has a nice take on it:
https://www.musicradar.com/news/nile-rodgers-avicii-ai
I would have a hard time expressing myself without some of the generative apps.
The professional musicians and composers may find there is less work in Film & Televison or video games in the AI-dominated future. Some pros will use AI to survive, while others become part-time or find other work. There is so much music created and released these days that the average indie musician trying to make a buck has a hard time getting anyone to care enough to even listen to their music, let alone support it. So AI will generate even more music on a scale of magnitude that is ridiculous. It’ll all be lost in the streaming Sea of Anonymity alongside the music of Indies and hobbyists.
There are two separate aspects to music: 1) creative expression & 2) entertaining others. Ideally entertainers do both, but amateur music creators don’t need to do both. Hobby music creators won’t be affected by AI music apps unless they want to be - you can choose to use them or ignore them as you wish. I still use hand tools even though I have power tools. For the forseeable future, AI can’t play live, not until they create super realisitic androids, so the paying gigs will still be available to those who play live. The question will be, “Did that band write their own music?”
I think there will be half of those who will like to use it and the other half not into it.
There's also the percentage who are trying to make soulless music just for fame or money and lack any spirit or creativity, so most likely they will use AI. I am not entirely into it because music communicates the mood from one human to the next, by sound and not by a robot. The human soul doesn't lie. Then again one thought pops up in my wondering brain is when computer music and VST came out in the '80s, many were opposed to it too, so who knows the future..Even now, using an IPAD is kind of AI and unnatural when compared to hardware or analog instruments...So, again maybe it's the happy balance.
That question has been around for a long time, pretty much since bands became a thing.
I don’t think the majority of punters care either way either: there’s a huge market for tribute acts (in the UK at least) so those that regularly attend those obviously don’t care.
Quite good cover of Where is my mind!
What worries me about IA is not if it’ll do music, logos or programming. It’s the insane of posts with titles like “Is AI the future of music”, “You don’t need graphic designers, here’s 10 ways to do logos with AI”, etc…
As societies WE ARE NOT PREPARED FOR AI.
AI is a superb technical achievement that can help humanity to be a lot more productive but we need to change our economic and work structure to accommodate it. It hurts to see posts that happily embrace something that, in the current scenario, is estimated to make 25% of the jobs redundant in the next years. That would be absolute mayhem, a disaster, collapse.
A couple of key concepts:
It’s so fucking sad that people’s logical reaction is to be scared of development as it means a threat to their work and economic sustainability. It’s up to us to prepare for this and make it a win-win. Increase productivity and make people’s lives better. Or just wait for the instability, evictions, riots and mayhem and do it later.
As far as music goes, I couldn’t care less if IA does it. Majority of popular music is algorithms anyway, currently applied by some asshole repeating the same formula ad-nauseam, so if a computer does it won’t change much. People like us that do music for fun or because it’s like heroin, will still do it.
BTW due to this “end of the world is coming yet I’m happily oblivious” I had refused to even try the ChatDGP thing. I did yesterday and challenged to write some lyrics. It sucks. Really cheesy, unimaginative, soulless stuff. Which proves it should make a very good hit-song machine.
But yeah, let’s not take this AI thing as a joke, it’s some serious shit when our societies are not prepared. This was off-topic wasn’t it?.
If you tried a free and non-open source one then you haven't tried the real thing maaaaaan...
As i said it was my first time, I tried with the ChatDGP official app. Please recommend a decent one!
Hmmm, if you mean ChatGPT then you likely would have been on the free tier which is v3. v4 is for subs and much better apparently. But in the end the open source crowd is adamant they have much better tools. I am inclined to believe them as it seems to be the way that open source for image generation is outpacing walled gardens.
Yeah, knew that, but didn’t want to go down that road as my post was already longer than intended. It is probably more common that singers sing music they didn’t write. I dunno. What would have been a better wording of my question is: “COULD that band write their own music?” That is, does the music sound like every other AI offering or is it unique in any way?
AIs cannot exceed the quality of their best training input, in the vast majority of cases they will produce something far inferior. Finding a way to get them to improve on the best available input is not a problem that has been solved yet. If the AI can produce something better than a particular user is capable of, that user will be tempted to use it, if not, they probably won’t.
I think for most users with AI generators it is fast becoming less about 'quality' and more about feeling, like with personal fashion; people choosing clothing and accessories to express themselves, despite not having designed or made a stitch of the actual clothing themselves, just putting it together, so to speak.
Quite happy with the lyrics I managed to get out of chat gpt 4 about the Trump Arrest. Of course they're not perfect, but it would take very little finessing to make this rhyme better etc. The humour is actually very high quality in places.
FULTON PRISON BLUES
(Verse 1) I hear the train a-comin', it's rollin' 'round the bend, I'm stuck in Fulton Prison, just countin' down the days to the end, I'm dreamin' 'bout my freedom, oh, how I long for the sun, But there's some silly crimes I committed, wishin' they were undone.
(Chorus) But I'm stuck in Fulton Prison, singin' the Fulton Prison Blues, Missin' those McDonald's burgers and my daughter's daily views, Oh, lost my precious toupee, they won't give me a new one, And I can't play golf, oh, life ain't so much fun.
(Verse 2) When I was just a young lad, I didn't know right from wrong, Now I'm stuck in this cell, wonderin' where it all went wrong, I miss those juicy burgers, the taste I can't deny, Every bite I took, it seemed like time would just fly by.
(Chorus) But I'm stuck in Fulton Prison, singin' the Fulton Prison Blues, Missin' those McDonald's burgers and my daughter's daily views, Oh, lost my precious toupee, they won't give me a new one, And I can't play golf, oh, life ain't so much fun.
(Verse 3) I'd love to see my daughter, hold her close every single day, But in this prison cell, she feels so far away, And oh, that silly toupee, it gave me confidence and flair, Now it's lost forever, and I'm left with thinning hair.
(Chorus) But I'm stuck in Fulton Prison, singin' the Fulton Prison Blues, Missin' those McDonald's burgers and my daughter's daily views, Oh, lost my precious toupee, they won't give me a new one, And I can't play golf, oh, life ain't so much fun.
(Bridge) But someday, I'll be free, from this prison I'll be released, I'll savor those burgers, and my daughter's love, never to cease, I'll find a new toupee, to cover up my balding head, And hit the golf course, swingin' with joy instead.
(Chorus) No more Fulton Prison, singin' those Fulton Prison Blues, Enjoyin' those McDonald's burgers and my daughter's daily views, With a brand-new toupee, lookin' sharp as I stroll, Playin' golf with excitement, finally free from this hole.
So, there you have it, "Fulton Prison Blues"! A humorous take on the classic song, imagining a prisoner dreaming of the things he misses while incarcerated. I hope it brought a smile to your face! Is there anything else I can assist you with?
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I see no problem using it as another tool in the arsenal. In terms of it being the main tool in commercialized music, yeah, I think it’ll probably take over in that as well. And the results will probably be soulless, commercialized garbage but hey, isn’t that what most pop music is anyway?
Bing chat is pretty good. It seems not to he available on all platforms in all areas - eg I can use it in Edge on my Android, but not on my iPad
Here is the kind of music/sound demo that should blow minds:
Basically what music has been for 20 years anyway 😂😛
Samples, auto tune, increasingly generic, singing contest shows/puppet farms, producing the humanity out of everything, shiny faces and social media. I have the creeping sensation I’m in a lift now wherever I am.
It’ll only affect those who are in that space. And if a ai manages to write another what’s up or fake plastic trees or a day in the life, I’ll be fucking excited. Bring it on. 🤖🦾
We are the robots, du du du duh
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These dudes dont like it ( so they say )
and probably dont need it as musicians.
Drum and bass would suit AI.
Amazing how fast this is advancing.