Logic Pro for iPad (Released)

purpan2

@ErrkaPetti said:

@purpan2 said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@semtek01 said:
So far impression is that this software is far from ready for release.

20 tracks of audio no effects on a brand new iPad Pro at 96k and it’s buckling hard.

I can run 100 in Cubasis on my iPhone.

That's bullshit...

I wonder if this is a language thing? Some words in English are quite commonly used but are still perceived as offensive. « Shit » and « bullshit » make frequent appearances on the internet, but that hasn’t really diminished their capacity to offend. The written word also varies in intensity from the spoken word, so what seems relatively mild, as one thinks it or says it, may have extra, presumably unwanted, impact when it appears in a forum post.

Just saying.

Ok, but for me, bullshit is just a another word/sentence for me to say someone is wrong, not meant as an offend…

That’s fine, but maybe people sometimes don’t take our meanings as we intend them. Sometimes, with the internationalisation of the internet, words that have a certain register - a shared meaning and value - in one culture, can lose their nuance in an international setting, such as a forum. They can still be perceived as having their original meaning when someone from their « original culture » reads them. For instance, I still read the word « shit » as offensive (even though I’m a foul-mouthed fecker myself in real life .) « Bullshit », too, sounds more offensive than just writing that you think someone is wrong.

Logic Pro, though … what a heap of merde that turned out to be! (Just kidding )

ErrkaPetti

@semtek01 said:
So far impression is that this software is far from ready for release.

20 tracks of audio no effects on a brand new iPad Pro at 96k and it’s buckling hard.

I can run 100 in Cubasis on my iPhone.

I made an test now concerning the above statement:

Put 20 wavefiles on 20 audiotracks (all wavefiles between 40 to 60 MB).
Some fx on this project and playing all 20 tracks simultaneously - works flawless in 96khz…

semtek01

Yep it seems to be when you try and bring the project in from Logic desktop that it struggles mostly.

When I just exported everything to wav it played a lot nicer. So yes it wasn’t quite accurate.

Once I’d gotten over that I started to enjoy it a little more, although I’ll always have a soft spot for Cubasis on the tiny iPhone screen.

@ErrkaPetti said:

@semtek01 said:
So far impression is that this software is far from ready for release.

20 tracks of audio no effects on a brand new iPad Pro at 96k and it’s buckling hard.

I can run 100 in Cubasis on my iPhone.

I made an test now concerning the above statement:

Put 20 wavefiles on 20 audiotracks (all wavefiles between 40 to 60 MB).
Some fx on this project and playing all 20 tracks simultaneously - works flawless in 96khz…

dendy

@purpan2 said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@semtek01 said:
So far impression is that this software is far from ready for release.

20 tracks of audio no effects on a brand new iPad Pro at 96k and it’s buckling hard.

I can run 100 in Cubasis on my iPhone.

That's bullshit...

I wonder if this is a language thing? Some words in English are quite commonly used but are still perceived as offensive. « Shit » and « bullshit » make frequent appearances on the internet, but that hasn’t really diminished their capacity to offend. The written word also varies in intensity from the spoken word, so what seems relatively mild, as one thinks it or says it, may have extra, presumably unwanted, impact when it appears in a forum post.

Just saying.

There is one study which shows that people with higher IQ are swearing more 😂 It’s probably because they fucking clearly see how much bullshit is all around them 😂

I like how this guy uses creatively word “fuck” 😂
around 8:30

or 26:42 “It’s completely different fucking fuck”
😂

Joel is just incredible 😂

HotStrange

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

semtek01

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

ErrkaPetti

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Yours problem with iCloud Drive is something I never have heard about earlier…
I have been using iCloud Drive since day one, and, have used it intense on both my Macs, my iPads, and my iPhones - have a 2TB account since several years ago, never ever got any files lost…
Recently I copy 200GB Flac-files from my Mac to iCloud Drive, it took a while to upload but everything went smoothly…

realdawei

I Just desire flexpitch and a bug fix release that include fixing live articulation switching…and it is a wrap.

Flexpitch probably a good year or two away though

stormywaterz

Def would be nice to have a one for one stock instrument crossover that can be edited. Especially the ones from GarageBand iOS.

Still trying to figure out why the file sizes are so different from Mac to iPad version even though they are the same identical copies mainly instruments.

Really hasn’t been any crashes. Very stable. Like to see what’s the next update would be. And if they listen to feedback or not.

I would really like a lighter color for the piano roll or be able to adjust the grid to lighter color lines.

RajahP

@stormywaterz said:
Def would be nice to have a one for one stock instrument crossover that can be edited. Especially the ones from GarageBand iOS.

Still trying to figure out why the file sizes are so different from Mac to iPad version even though they are the same identical copies mainly instruments.

Really hasn’t been any crashes. Very stable. Like to see what’s the next update would be. And if they listen to feedback or not.

I would really like a lighter color for the piano roll or be able to adjust the grid to lighter color lines.

Pretty sure you did this.. but just in case…

Yep And I am hoping for the Appleloop tool I saw videos of, in the desktop version.. with the ability to save to the browser… in the upcoming updates..

HotStrange

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

R_2

@HotStrange said:
It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples

When I went all iPad in 2011 Safari was really limited. I got iCab and still prefer it to this day.
https://apps.apple.com/app/icab-mobile-web-browser/id308111628

ErrkaPetti

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

HotStrange

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

I haven’t heard of it, but you’re the second one to recommend it to me. What can it do that safari can’t? Maybe that’s what I’ve been needing all along. I always get peeved when you can’t even upload to Bandcamp via iPad OS safari because it needs a “real” web browser.

I’ve used some of the photoshop tools on iOS and have heard good things about Affinity suite. That, Lumafusion, and Final Cut iOS are all on my list to check out eventually.

semtek01

@HotStrange said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

I haven’t heard of it, but you’re the second one to recommend it to me. What can it do that safari can’t? Maybe that’s what I’ve been needing all along. I always get peeved when you can’t even upload to Bandcamp via iPad OS safari because it needs a “real” web browser.

I’ve used some of the photoshop tools on iOS and have heard good things about Affinity suite. That, Lumafusion, and Final Cut iOS are all on my list to check out eventually.

Lumafusion is a very serious app. Cubasis standard. IE high.

Luxthor

@HotStrange said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

I haven’t heard of it, but you’re the second one to recommend it to me. What can it do that safari can’t? Maybe that’s what I’ve been needing all along. I always get peeved when you can’t even upload to Bandcamp via iPad OS safari because it needs a “real” web browser.

I’ve used some of the photoshop tools on iOS and have heard good things about Affinity suite. That, Lumafusion, and Final Cut iOS are all on my list to check out eventually.

Don’t forget DaVinci Resolve, better than anything you listed.

HotStrange

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

I haven’t heard of it, but you’re the second one to recommend it to me. What can it do that safari can’t? Maybe that’s what I’ve been needing all along. I always get peeved when you can’t even upload to Bandcamp via iPad OS safari because it needs a “real” web browser.

I’ve used some of the photoshop tools on iOS and have heard good things about Affinity suite. That, Lumafusion, and Final Cut iOS are all on my list to check out eventually.

Lumafusion is a very serious app. Cubasis standard. IE high.

How does it compare to Final Cut Pro? Have you tried it yet?

HotStrange

@Luxthor said:

@HotStrange said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

I haven’t heard of it, but you’re the second one to recommend it to me. What can it do that safari can’t? Maybe that’s what I’ve been needing all along. I always get peeved when you can’t even upload to Bandcamp via iPad OS safari because it needs a “real” web browser.

I’ve used some of the photoshop tools on iOS and have heard good things about Affinity suite. That, Lumafusion, and Final Cut iOS are all on my list to check out eventually.

Don’t forget DaVinci Resolve, better than anything you listed.

Didn’t even realize that was on iOS! 😮

realdawei

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

I haven’t heard of it, but you’re the second one to recommend it to me. What can it do that safari can’t? Maybe that’s what I’ve been needing all along. I always get peeved when you can’t even upload to Bandcamp via iPad OS safari because it needs a “real” web browser.

I’ve used some of the photoshop tools on iOS and have heard good things about Affinity suite. That, Lumafusion, and Final Cut iOS are all on my list to check out eventually.

Lumafusion is a very serious app. Cubasis standard. IE high.

How does it compare to Final Cut Pro? Have you tried it yet?

lumafusion is the only one that’s goes full screen on external display, Davinci resolve is excellent, though doesn’t have all the pages yet (but they can be unearthed via simple hack…Final Cut late comer…but slowly growing on me. All three are excellent though not sure how practical long form is on ipad vs large screen monitor…and for social media quick edits, iphone video editing seems more immediate and convenient with tools like capcut

HotStrange

@realdawei said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

I haven’t heard of it, but you’re the second one to recommend it to me. What can it do that safari can’t? Maybe that’s what I’ve been needing all along. I always get peeved when you can’t even upload to Bandcamp via iPad OS safari because it needs a “real” web browser.

I’ve used some of the photoshop tools on iOS and have heard good things about Affinity suite. That, Lumafusion, and Final Cut iOS are all on my list to check out eventually.

Lumafusion is a very serious app. Cubasis standard. IE high.

How does it compare to Final Cut Pro? Have you tried it yet?

lumafusion is the only one that’s goes full screen on external display, Davinci resolve is excellent, though doesn’t have all the pages yet (but they can be unearthed via simple hack…Final Cut late comer…but slowly growing on me. All three are excellent though not sure how practical long form is on ipad vs large screen monitor…and for social media quick edits, iphone video editing seems more immediate and convenient with tools like capcut

I’m not really using an external screen but may one day so that’s useful to know. Thanks for the reply!

I’m mainly interested in editing some weird experimental short films to mix my own music score with. Using some recorded stuff mixed with old public domain footage. Would Lumafusion be best for that?

realdawei

@HotStrange said:

@realdawei said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

I haven’t heard of it, but you’re the second one to recommend it to me. What can it do that safari can’t? Maybe that’s what I’ve been needing all along. I always get peeved when you can’t even upload to Bandcamp via iPad OS safari because it needs a “real” web browser.

I’ve used some of the photoshop tools on iOS and have heard good things about Affinity suite. That, Lumafusion, and Final Cut iOS are all on my list to check out eventually.

Lumafusion is a very serious app. Cubasis standard. IE high.

How does it compare to Final Cut Pro? Have you tried it yet?

lumafusion is the only one that’s goes full screen on external display, Davinci resolve is excellent, though doesn’t have all the pages yet (but they can be unearthed via simple hack…Final Cut late comer…but slowly growing on me. All three are excellent though not sure how practical long form is on ipad vs large screen monitor…and for social media quick edits, iphone video editing seems more immediate and convenient with tools like capcut

I’m not really using an external screen but may one day so that’s useful to know. Thanks for the reply!

I’m mainly interested in editing some weird experimental short films to mix my own music score with. Using some recorded stuff mixed with old public domain footage. Would Lumafusion be best for that?

best in this case would be highly subjective…they can all handle that use case with ease. i believe even iMovie could take that on…unless you plan to composite/blend footage. as for the other three i think initial learning curve would favor final cut, which is ironic since it’s sibling Logic Pro for iPad can takes a good month before things begin to click. Also Davinci has best bang for the buck costs wise ( the free version is no slouch)

HotStrange

@realdawei said:

@HotStrange said:

@realdawei said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:

@semtek01 said:

@HotStrange said:

@greatestlengths said:
Has anyone here gone back to their previous DAW ie Cubasis or whatever?

Keen to hear who's checked it out, decided to go back to something else, and why they did that.

I have pretty much every DAW on iPad and want to hear some pros/cons/workflow stuff to see what I think would be best worth spending time learning.

I've explored them all and really haven't been able to choose a favourite. At first I thought Logic Pro destroyed them all but going back to some of them, they're still great and there's plenty to like in other daws.

I wouldn’t say I went back to Zenbeats but Logic didn’t inspire me to completely abandon it and I’m still using ZB as my “main” DAW. I still use Logic and I really enjoy it but I don’t see myself definitively choosing one or the other. I’ll probably use Zenbeats for more DAW driven tracks, the live looper, etc and Logic for mastering stems from AUM and for when I want to use Sculpture, Studio horns, etc in a track.

I feel like Apple can’t decide if they want to make the iPad available as a serious music making device or not. The hardware is amply spec’d. There’s a number of functions though that are bootstrapped in ways that really make no sense to me. It’s possible there s a memory bottleneck in there somewhere but I have the latest iPad pro and the specs are way better than my ageing MacBook Air.

It really does not like big files. Maybe my bad for getting the 256gb version and not the larger one. But if you’re dealing with a sizeable sample library which requires first downloading and then unzipping and storing you’ll encounter numerous problems along the way. I’m talking anything above 2 or 3gb although sometimes even smaller files struggle.

I had a support call with Apple yesterday after 60gb of my data in iCloud went missing for no reason. It got… heated. The senior technical advisor ended up telling me that iCloud isn’t meant for business use, so ai challenged him if that was to imply that personal documents are any less important. He said that I shouldn’t rely on iCloud as a storage or backup device. So I told him my
sister worked for the New York Times and I would be working with her to organise a story on the truth about what Apple think of iCloud and whether you should trust it with your data.

Cue being put on hold and then suddenly an even more senior ‘customer service representative’ came on the line with a Californian accent and suddenly adopted a very different tone and told me that iCloud was definitely suitable for business and personal use and that her colleague was ‘new in the role’ and didn’t represent the views or Apple Corporation.

IE they know there are serious issues and they also know that they can’t really solve them because that would mean going into someone’s personal files at which point they would become directly responsible for any data loss. The truth is out there etc etc

But it’s what we all go through at some point with Apple products. I don’t think it’s about trying to sell you a bigger model, they know that we’ll have to upgrade at some point and once you’re in the Apple ecosystem it’s irritating to have to migrate out of it. But I suspect a lot of the limitations and problems that we face with Apple products are down to a combination of their primary concern, which is protecting their reputation as the ‘secure’ solution to computing which doesn’t experience viruses or hacks, and their secondary concern which is that they’re developing a new landscape for mobile pro grade products - literally the iPad Pro - but at the same time tied to the three, or even four in many people’s cases, screen model where you need a MacBook to use your iPad and an iPad to use your iPhone and so on.

tldr: Logic for iPad is cool but why oh why can’t you edit or easily use existing exs instruments with it. There will always be a fix - Audio Layer does a pretty good job although it occasionally seems to spit out the exs files, could be to do with all kinds of things who knows. Format wars will always be a thing so of course to expect compatibility of exs instruments across different software from different developers is unrealistic.

But I can’t even load my logic mac projects into Logic iPad without considerable difficulty. Again, I don’t think that’s deliberate, it just doesn’t figure in their process of deciding whether or not a build is ready to deploy for the public - on the other hand when you look at how successfully other music making platforms are faring it’s no surprise that Apple were in a bit of a rush to get the iPad flavour of the software out before it was really ready. Not just in terms of the nuts and bolts but also the decision to not allow any editing of sampler instruments - surely that could have been more elegantly handled. And the fact you can’t see the icons on the arrange when zoomed out.

tldr: Apple sucks but luckily there are alternatives that work well on their hardware. As long as I can find a storage solution that works I’ll be home and dry.

Oof that sucks mate sorry that happened to you. Apples customer service can be extremely annoying. I’ve had a couple of run ins with them and was frustrated every time.

I agree though. Why call it an iPad Pro if there are Pro features that aren’t there yet? It’s come a long way but we should have a desktop version of safari on an iPad Pro that allows full download of samples and updating firmware for hardware devices, etc. I’m all iPad these days as I don’t have space for hardware anymore so I’m hoping the release of Logic Pro means they are really and truly beginning to take music on iOS a lot more seriously. The iPad is an amazing device and no other tablet can even come close but it’s just lacking in a few things that could really take it to the next level.

Hotstrange, have you looked at iCabMobile web browser?
Have been running this great web browser for many years and it has a lot of features missing in Safari…

I can’t agree when you say that Apple have released an iPad brand with Pro extension (since 2015) - if we open our eyes we can see that there’s one million apps on Appstore, and, a lot of Pro app in many different areas - check out Affinity Suite (Publisher/Photo/Designer), very potent!

I haven’t heard of it, but you’re the second one to recommend it to me. What can it do that safari can’t? Maybe that’s what I’ve been needing all along. I always get peeved when you can’t even upload to Bandcamp via iPad OS safari because it needs a “real” web browser.

I’ve used some of the photoshop tools on iOS and have heard good things about Affinity suite. That, Lumafusion, and Final Cut iOS are all on my list to check out eventually.

Lumafusion is a very serious app. Cubasis standard. IE high.

How does it compare to Final Cut Pro? Have you tried it yet?

lumafusion is the only one that’s goes full screen on external display, Davinci resolve is excellent, though doesn’t have all the pages yet (but they can be unearthed via simple hack…Final Cut late comer…but slowly growing on me. All three are excellent though not sure how practical long form is on ipad vs large screen monitor…and for social media quick edits, iphone video editing seems more immediate and convenient with tools like capcut

I’m not really using an external screen but may one day so that’s useful to know. Thanks for the reply!

I’m mainly interested in editing some weird experimental short films to mix my own music score with. Using some recorded stuff mixed with old public domain footage. Would Lumafusion be best for that?

best in this case would be highly subjective…they can all handle that use case with ease. i believe even iMovie could take that on…unless you plan to composite/blend footage. as for the other three i think initial learning curve would favor final cut, which is ironic since it’s sibling Logic Pro for iPad can takes a good month before things begin to click. Also Davinci has best bang for the buck costs wise ( the free version is no slouch)

Thanks a ton! Didn’t know Davinci had a free version, I’ll download it now. Final Cut is the only one outside of iMovie I have experience with. I definitely need a bit more than what iMovie can do (though I do think it’s a good app!) so I think I may do the trial with it.

Crabman

First song ím arranging and mixing in LPi now but one short question: crossfades. Where are they? Or simple fade in/out of regions/audio files to get rid of some clicks.I must overlook them. Please tell me i’m too dumb to find em 🤓

GLacey

@Crabman said:
First song ím arranging and mixing in LPi now but one short question: crossfades. Where are they? Or simple fade in/out of regions/audio files to get rid of some clicks.I must overlook them. Please tell me i’m too dumb to find em 🤓

But instead of the simple crossfade I recommend the Equal power crossfade option

Crabman

@GLacey said:

@Crabman said:
First song ím arranging and mixing in LPi now but one short question: crossfades. Where are they? Or simple fade in/out of regions/audio files to get rid of some clicks.I must overlook them. Please tell me i’m too dumb to find em 🤓

But instead of the simple crossfade I recommend the Equal power crossfade option

many thanks 👍 well, a little bit counter intuitive but at least it‘s there. Imo nothing beats a simple handle for fade in/out though 😉 I‘m missing a gain handle as well (but it took apple ages to implement it in LPX,so…)

Crabman

So, with a new ipad and some more free time i made the first 2 tracks with logic. and while the first one was „mostly“ troublefree to make, the 2nd one was (and still is) a giant shitshow. I can‘t even count how many crashes i have.

Here‘s the thing zhough:

Both songs are similar with plugin count and almost exclusive logic stock plugins. very few exceptions like sugar byte drumcomputer, pure acid, morphit and 2-3 pro Q. CPU meter in both tracks never shows more than like 30-35%
Running 24/96 on my M2 ipad. At some point my ipad got quite hot, the screen was even dimming twice for protection.

In fact,its more like one song in 2 versions, i‘m still in the same project. Super frustrating session yesterday and maybe i‘ll go back to 48khz next time though the ipad has just so much (multicore) power. I wanna use it…

At least logic (just like the mac version) creates a proper save file when crashing. It even does a mostly good job with state saving the AU plugin parameter from drumcomputer (without saving the file before)

I‘m still confused why my experience differs so much from 1st to 2nd track

Thats the thing with subs: i expect someone that actually listen to my problems and fix shit asap if possible..But apple is so fuggin arrogant.

richardyot

@Crabman it's very likely to be the sample rate. Ipads hate using a sample rate that doesn't match the hardware rate (48k for current devices), and running at 96k also stresses the CPU so that's likely to be a perfect storm.

Crabman

@richardyot said:
@Crabman it's very likely to be the sample rate. Ipads hate using a sample rate that doesn't match the hardware rate (48k for current devices), and running at 96k also stresses the CPU so that's likely to be a perfect storm.

The thing is, at first i did not even set or change sample rate. Logic did this automatically for me and i took it as a good sign. Who else if not apple can better recommend what sample rate is ok for my device?