[Logic Pro] My review - what's in and what's missing

zzrwood

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

el_bo

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

Having only bought Sample Crate relatively recently, I thought the announcement of LPiOS might’ve made it redundant, but it’s good to know that it should be getting some use. Do you imagine any downsides t9 ising it in Logic, over the native option?

[Deleted User]

Now to be serious we all need to learn deeply LP iOS , to spend time on LP IPad everyday for weeks (we need to use all the 30 days free ) and create at least 5 complete projects to be release including mastering.

It is time to do homework not just scraping the surface.

No time and no need to convince Drambo guys or the one that have a specific workflow that doesn’t fit this daw and certainly that don’t need a daw , as all Daws rule your workflow.

Everyone be happy with or without using LP pro . If it is not for you it isn’t that all.

Now I prefer spends hours on it as it need hard learning and practice.

zzrwood

@el_bo said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

Having only bought Sample Crate relatively recently, I thought the announcement of LPiOS might’ve made it redundant, but it’s good to know that it should be getting some use. Do you imagine any downsides t9 ising it in Logic, over the native option?

It seems to work with Logic as it alway has with other apps - but I have really only scratched the surface… I’m checking to see if the tools I like work with Logic for iPad.

So far, the biggest disappointment is that Scaler is a no go - but I know the devs are looking into it…

Eclipxe

Instrument Patches -> Steinway Grand

Sampler -> Keyboard -> Acoustic Piano (there’s a classical, grand, Steinway, and A bunch of processed ones. )

el_bo

@zzrwood said:

@el_bo said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

Having only bought Sample Crate relatively recently, I thought the announcement of LPiOS might’ve made it redundant, but it’s good to know that it should be getting some use. Do you imagine any downsides t9 ising it in Logic, over the native option?

It seems to work with Logic as it alway has with other apps - but I have really only scratched the surface… I’m checking to see if the tools I like work with Logic for iPad.

So far, the biggest disappointment is that Scaler is a no go - but I know the devs are looking into it…

Gotcha! Thanks

el_bo

@Eclipxe said:
Instrument Patches -> Steinway Grand

Sampler -> Keyboard -> Acoustic Piano (there’s a classical, grand, Steinway, and A bunch of processed ones. )

Ah, so…seems to be layed out in similar format to the desktops sampler patches. Does that mean all the orchestral and worlfd instruments are also there

gregsmith

Even though there’s some annoying things about Logic, there’s so much good here. Hopefully Apple take this app seriously and adds some of the missing stuff in future updates.

I’m also pleased it hasn’t made Loopy Pro, Drambo and AUM etc. redundant. Having not used a traditional daw for some time, I’m really craving the flexibility and immediacy of these apps.

I’ll be reaching for Loopy Pro as usual day to day on my phone and iPad, then when I have something I like, move it over to Logic to craft a finished song.

Exciting times!

espiegel123

@giku_beepstreet said:
AUv3 automation recording doesn't work in many cases, because most AUv3s don't send AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by Audio Unit specification.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationeventtype?language=objc

So if you have a problem with your fav AUv3, inform developer please.

I'm glad Logic is the first DAW that requires this, it makes parameters recording much easier and robust.

(From my side: Zeeon works fine, Sunrizer will be updated soon)

I think Auria requires it, too.

yonhorizon

HEY PEOPLE. noone talking about controller midi mapping. I couldnt find anything about it.. anyone knows?

Eclipxe

@el_bo said:

@Eclipxe said:
Instrument Patches -> Steinway Grand

Sampler -> Keyboard -> Acoustic Piano (there’s a classical, grand, Steinway, and A bunch of processed ones. )

Ah, so…seems to be layed out in similar format to the desktops sampler patches. Does that mean all the orchestral and worlfd instruments are also there

Studio strings are there. World instruments I see a handful. Haven’t done a one to one check. I don’t know if it’s all there

el_bo

@Eclipxe said:

@el_bo said:

@Eclipxe said:
Instrument Patches -> Steinway Grand

Sampler -> Keyboard -> Acoustic Piano (there’s a classical, grand, Steinway, and A bunch of processed ones. )

Ah, so…seems to be layed out in similar format to the desktops sampler patches. Does that mean all the orchestral and worlfd instruments are also there

Studio strings are there. World instruments I see a handful. Haven’t done a one to one check. I don’t know if it’s all there

Thanks! Yeah, Studio strings (brass, alo) are a different thing. I'm referring to the instruments that have come with Sampler (previously EXS24) since the beginning. Not a dealbreaker if they aren’t there, but would be a real shame.

Anyway, it’s time for me to reset the iPad, upgrade the OS and then install Logic. Thanks for all your help 😀

brambos

@giku_beepstreet said:
AUv3 automation recording doesn't work in many cases, because most AUv3s don't send AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by Audio Unit specification.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationeventtype?language=objc

So if you have a problem with your fav AUv3, inform developer please.

I'm glad Logic is the first DAW that requires this, it makes parameters recording much easier and robust.

(From my side: Zeeon works fine, Sunrizer will be updated soon)

Respectfully disagree with this approach 100%.

I actually feel it's downright silly and goes against the core principles of a creative mobile platform to reduce automation to a touch-down and touch-up approach (that's old school mouse thinking).

• What goes on in the UI of a plugin is none of the host's business. It should conceptually remain fully separated. Separation of concerns. The host should just listen to incoming automation data and leave the generation of it to the plugin without meddling.

• What if automation is not generated through a touch-down and touch-up action?

• What if I use the accelerometer or tilt sensors instead?
• What if automation data is generated procedurally?
• What if I use kinetic models so you can give a slider a whack and it remains outputting automation data while it slows down after I lift my fingers (like I do in Fluss)?

I will resist this nonsense and report it as a bug to Apple.

greatestlengths

@Eclipxe said:
Instrument Patches -> Steinway Grand

Sampler -> Keyboard -> Acoustic Piano (there’s a classical, grand, Steinway, and A bunch of processed ones. )

Has it always been the case with Logic that there's no grand piano instrument plugin?

It's always been samples?

gregsmith

@brambos said:

@giku_beepstreet said:
AUv3 automation recording doesn't work in many cases, because most AUv3s don't send AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by Audio Unit specification.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationeventtype?language=objc

So if you have a problem with your fav AUv3, inform developer please.

I'm glad Logic is the first DAW that requires this, it makes parameters recording much easier and robust.

(From my side: Zeeon works fine, Sunrizer will be updated soon)

Respectfully disagree with this approach 100%.

I actually feel it's downright silly and goes against the core principles of a creative mobile platform to reduce automation to a touch-down and touch-up approach.

• What goes on in the UI of a plugin is none of the host's business. It should conceptually remain fully separated. Separation of concerns. The host should just listen to incoming automation data and leave the generation of it to the plugin without meddling.

• What if automation is not generated through a touch-down and touch-up action?

• What if I use the accelerometer or tilt sensors instead?
• What if automation data is generated procedurally?
• What if I use kinetic models so you can give a slider a whack and it remains outputting automation data while it slows down after I lift my fingers (like I do in Fluss)?

I will resist this nonsense and report it as a bug to Apple.

Can you tell them about the auv3 multi-out is missing ‘bug’ too please 🙏😜

[Deleted User]

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

@wim said:

@monz0id said:

@wim said:

@Eclipxe said:
No, it's not. You're forgetting that iOS apps are sandboxed. Logic doesn't have access to read files stored outside of its app sandbox.

That's incorrect. That was addressed somewhere around iOS 13 or so. Apps can, and do, include file browsers that can access anything that the files app can see as long as you grant permission when prompted.

It is an odd oversight that they wouldn't provide a file browser considering it's a standard Apple supplied library that any developer can use (and even extend as SampleCrate has done).

There’s a definite feeling of keeping external files and apps out of the picture with this one. The ‘browser’ in particular is heavily geared towards the internal content.

Considering I bought this specifically for using my existing apps with, it’s a massive disappointment. I’ll most likely be deleting this tomorrow.

It's v1.0. They're gonna get slammed with similar complaints. I think they'll be somewhat responsive. It's not like GarageBand where they couldn't give a crap because it's free and primarily geared toward beginner users.

Maybe, or maybe anyone pointing out the issues will be hammered down by the True Believers.

If you’re including me in that I was only trying to help. I’m happy to stop.

I wasn’t.

[Deleted User]

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

NeuM

@monz0id said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

You might enjoy your experience with Logic Pro more if you judged it on its own merits instead of criticizing it for not being what you imagine it should be. Just saying. Explore the tutorials they've built into the app. Try making a few new projects with no preconceptions and see how it goes. The biggest criticisms I'm seeing here seem to be rooted in preconceptions about what people were expecting Logic Pro on iPadOS to be.

[Deleted User]

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

You might enjoy your experience with Logic Pro more if you judged it on its own merits instead of criticizing it for not being what you imagine it should be. Just saying. Explore the tutorials they've built into the app. Try making a few new projects with no preconceptions and see how it goes. The biggest criticisms I'm seeing here seem to be rooted in preconceptions about what people were expecting Logic Pro on iPadOS to be.

It’s nothing to do with ‘preconceptions’ (I’ve had Logic on desktop since release, by the way). When clicking the ‘Quick’ Sampler file window to load an audio file, it doesn’t provide any access whatsoever to my own files (like other devs apps do). This is a workflow issue (for me at least).

2 clicks, rather than faffing around with a separate app and slide-overs is how it should work.

[Deleted User]

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krassmann

@Eclipxe said:

@auxmux said:

@krassmann said:
For now, I noticed two things that I'm missing

1. No support for Stage Manager
2. No support for my Launchpad X as a pad controller for Live Loops

Boo, I was hoping for this. But I had no low expectations so no that disappointed lol

It works fine with Stage Manager for me?

When I turn on Stage Manager, Logic‘s UI remains full screen while Safari and Files are windowed. I have an iPad Pro 11“. Might this be the reason?

klownshed

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

You might enjoy your experience with Logic Pro more if you judged it on its own merits instead of criticizing it for not being what you imagine it should be. Just saying. Explore the tutorials they've built into the app. Try making a few new projects with no preconceptions and see how it goes. The biggest criticisms I'm seeing here seem to be rooted in preconceptions about what people were expecting Logic Pro on iPadOS to be.

It’s nothing to do with ‘preconceptions’ (I’ve had Logic on desktop since release, by the way). When clicking the ‘Quick’ Sampler file window to load an audio file, it doesn’t provide any access whatsoever to my own files (like other devs apps do). This is a workflow issue (for me at least).

2 clicks, rather than faffing around with a separate app and slide-overs is how it should work.

True. You can always load a third party sampler you prefer instead though :-)

Janosax

Audio editor seems to be non existent, can’t see any normalisation, fade in out, or other things. I can’t even set an individual volume per region/part except via automation curve. I miss something?

[Deleted User]

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

You might enjoy your experience with Logic Pro more if you judged it on its own merits instead of criticizing it for not being what you imagine it should be. Just saying. Explore the tutorials they've built into the app. Try making a few new projects with no preconceptions and see how it goes. The biggest criticisms I'm seeing here seem to be rooted in preconceptions about what people were expecting Logic Pro on iPadOS to be.

It’s nothing to do with ‘preconceptions’ (I’ve had Logic on desktop since release, by the way). When clicking the ‘Quick’ Sampler file window to load an audio file, it doesn’t provide any access whatsoever to my own files (like other devs apps do). This is a workflow issue (for me at least).

2 clicks, rather than faffing around with a separate app and slide-overs is how it should work.

True. You can always load a third party sampler you prefer instead though :-)

Yeaaaahhhh…..but that’s admitting the built-in version doesn’t provide the same basic functionality that third-party apps have as standard

I’ve just played with the Alchemy sampler. It is such a PITA to load my own audio into using the slide-over. And it crashed both times while doing so.

I am trying really hard to love this, but I’m struggling.

klownshed

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

You might enjoy your experience with Logic Pro more if you judged it on its own merits instead of criticizing it for not being what you imagine it should be. Just saying. Explore the tutorials they've built into the app. Try making a few new projects with no preconceptions and see how it goes. The biggest criticisms I'm seeing here seem to be rooted in preconceptions about what people were expecting Logic Pro on iPadOS to be.

The "iPad OS" bit is important.

For me, the drawbacks with Logic on the iPad are because, obviously, iPad OS isn't the Mac and is limited in many annoying ways. These are also the same things that make it easier to use for a lot of people that don't understand file systems and can't do any damage due to the sandboxing.

They kind of scored an own goal by making the "All new Browser" appear to be like Ableton Live's browser. Which it most certainly isn't. Hopefully those kinds of annoyances will get fixed in good time. Maybe they'll require the next iPadOS?

One huge advantage Apple have over every other developer is they can influence the actual core OS and get stuff they need implemented. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

[Deleted User]

@klownshed said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

You might enjoy your experience with Logic Pro more if you judged it on its own merits instead of criticizing it for not being what you imagine it should be. Just saying. Explore the tutorials they've built into the app. Try making a few new projects with no preconceptions and see how it goes. The biggest criticisms I'm seeing here seem to be rooted in preconceptions about what people were expecting Logic Pro on iPadOS to be.

The "iPad OS" bit is important.

For me, the drawbacks with Logic on the iPad are because, obviously, iPad OS isn't the Mac and is limited in many annoying ways. These are the same things that make it easier to use for a lot of people.

They kind of scored an own goal by making the "All new Browser" appear to be like Ableton Live's browser. Which it most certainly isn't. Hopefully those kinds of annoyances will get fixed in good time. Maybe they'll require the next iPadOS?

One huge advantage Apple have over every other developer is they can influence the actual core OS and get stuff they need implemented. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

But other iOS apps don’t have the same file importing issues that Logic has. To me, it feels like a deliberate tactic to dissuade us from using our own files. Alchemy doesn’t seem happy with my audio at all, it crashes and the imported file missing when recovering the session.

The Browser is a waste of space for me. If they update it with the potential to add external locations, as Live does, at least we can avoid comb-over hell.

klownshed

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

You might enjoy your experience with Logic Pro more if you judged it on its own merits instead of criticizing it for not being what you imagine it should be. Just saying. Explore the tutorials they've built into the app. Try making a few new projects with no preconceptions and see how it goes. The biggest criticisms I'm seeing here seem to be rooted in preconceptions about what people were expecting Logic Pro on iPadOS to be.

It’s nothing to do with ‘preconceptions’ (I’ve had Logic on desktop since release, by the way). When clicking the ‘Quick’ Sampler file window to load an audio file, it doesn’t provide any access whatsoever to my own files (like other devs apps do). This is a workflow issue (for me at least).

2 clicks, rather than faffing around with a separate app and slide-overs is how it should work.

True. You can always load a third party sampler you prefer instead though :-)

Yeaaaahhhh…..but that’s admitting the built-in version doesn’t provide the same basic functionality that third-party apps have as standard

I’ve just played with the Alchemy sampler. It is such a PITA to load my own audio into using the slide-over. And it crashed both times while doing so.

I am trying really hard to love this, but I’m struggling.

Yeah I can see that. I wish you were having the same experience I've had so far.

True about quick sampler too I guess. But that's always been the case with DAWs. FabFilter exist by making duplicates of stock plug-ins that are just better.

OH, BTW, just seen that Koala has been updated and the auv3 is now free. There's a decent quick sampler replacement/complement.

And it you have a better (for you) sampler to use already, no point worrying about the built in one you don't like.

I bounced a quick synth (automated via the step editor, very cool) and just dragged the audio clip to a blank area in tracks and created an alchemy sampler instrument with it and was bowing away in no time.

I've used the slide over, and whilst not the biggest fan I've got used to having to do this with my iPad for all sorts of apps including those I use for work. I don't enjoy it but have given up being pissed off with it. (Slide overs sliding over when I don't want them to is probably my biggest frustration with the iPad UI).

Gavinski

@krassmann said:

@Eclipxe said:

@auxmux said:

@krassmann said:
For now, I noticed two things that I'm missing

1. No support for Stage Manager
2. No support for my Launchpad X as a pad controller for Live Loops

Boo, I was hoping for this. But I had no low expectations so no that disappointed lol

It works fine with Stage Manager for me?

When I turn on Stage Manager, Logic‘s UI remains full screen while Safari and Files are windowed. I have an iPad Pro 11“. Might this be the reason?

Works totally fine for me. You might need to drag up and in on the bottom right of the logic window but once you have done that it should act as any normal stage manager app

klownshed

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

You might enjoy your experience with Logic Pro more if you judged it on its own merits instead of criticizing it for not being what you imagine it should be. Just saying. Explore the tutorials they've built into the app. Try making a few new projects with no preconceptions and see how it goes. The biggest criticisms I'm seeing here seem to be rooted in preconceptions about what people were expecting Logic Pro on iPadOS to be.

The "iPad OS" bit is important.

For me, the drawbacks with Logic on the iPad are because, obviously, iPad OS isn't the Mac and is limited in many annoying ways. These are the same things that make it easier to use for a lot of people.

They kind of scored an own goal by making the "All new Browser" appear to be like Ableton Live's browser. Which it most certainly isn't. Hopefully those kinds of annoyances will get fixed in good time. Maybe they'll require the next iPadOS?

One huge advantage Apple have over every other developer is they can influence the actual core OS and get stuff they need implemented. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

But other iOS apps don’t have the same file importing issues that Logic has. To me, it feels like a deliberate tactic to dissuade us from using our own files. Alchemy doesn’t seem happy with my audio at all, it crashes and the imported file missing when recovering the session.

The Browser is a waste of space for me. If they update it with the potential to add external locations, as Live does, at least we can avoid comb-over hell.

I've not been impressed with the browser so far.

I don't know about 'deliberate' but Logic is made by Apple and Apple are obviously very, very opinionated

I was hoping the browser would be like Live's browser judging by the info on apple.com. But it's not. It doesn't do what I want it to do so I'll just not use it. I very rarely use the Library panel on the Mac either.

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@klownshed said:

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@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@zzrwood said:

@monz0id said:

@klownshed said:

@monz0id said:

Admit it, this is a UI failure.

Don’t agree. But I’m coming from a Logic background. Live feels all kinds of wrong to me.

I’m not comparing it to Live on the desktop, it doesn’t include basic functionality that my other iOS apps have. Koala has a file browser, my samplers can open external files without a slide-over.

This is not a case of personal preference, it lacks basic functionality that is hindering my workflow.

Have you tried using Sample Crate? While I understand everybody has different ways they like to work, having Sample Crate (or even Files) permanently in slide over mode seems as quick, or maybe even quicker, than going through a file browser dialog launched from a button… Maybe I’m missing something?

I’m missing being able to add an audio file in the sampler, by clicking the load file option.

Pretty basic stuff that shouldn’t need slide-overs from separate apps. Other devs manage it.

You might enjoy your experience with Logic Pro more if you judged it on its own merits instead of criticizing it for not being what you imagine it should be. Just saying. Explore the tutorials they've built into the app. Try making a few new projects with no preconceptions and see how it goes. The biggest criticisms I'm seeing here seem to be rooted in preconceptions about what people were expecting Logic Pro on iPadOS to be.

It’s nothing to do with ‘preconceptions’ (I’ve had Logic on desktop since release, by the way). When clicking the ‘Quick’ Sampler file window to load an audio file, it doesn’t provide any access whatsoever to my own files (like other devs apps do). This is a workflow issue (for me at least).

2 clicks, rather than faffing around with a separate app and slide-overs is how it should work.

True. You can always load a third party sampler you prefer instead though :-)

Yeaaaahhhh…..but that’s admitting the built-in version doesn’t provide the same basic functionality that third-party apps have as standard

I’ve just played with the Alchemy sampler. It is such a PITA to load my own audio into using the slide-over. And it crashed both times while doing so.

I am trying really hard to love this, but I’m struggling.

Yeah I can see that. I wish you were having the same experience I've had so far.

True about quick sampler too I guess. But that's always been the case with DAWs. FabFilter exist by making duplicates of stock plug-ins that are just better.

OH, BTW, just seen that Koala has been updated and the auv3 is now free. There's a decent quick sampler replacement/complement.

And it you have a better (for you) sampler to use already, no point worrying about the built in one you don't like.

I bounced a quick synth (automated via the step editor, very cool) and just dragged the audio clip to a blank area in tracks and created an alchemy sampler instrument with it and was bowing away in no time.

I've used the slide over, and whilst not the biggest fan I've got used to having to do this with my iPad for all sorts of apps including those I use for work. I don't enjoy it but have given up being pissed off with it. (Slide overs sliding over when I don't want them to is probably my biggest frustration with the iPad UI).

Yeah good point, I’ll carry on experimenting with my own apps and see how it goes.

@klownshed said:

I was hoping the browser would be like Live's browser judging by the info on apple.com. But it's not. It doesn't do what I want it to do so I'll just not use it. I very rarely use the Library panel on the Mac either.

Problem with my usage is I’m not interested in the preset, sample pack stuff that comes with it. I prefer to roll my own, so it’s virtually redundant for me.