[Logic Pro] My review - what's in and what's missing

Gavinski

Fwiw, working through the in app tutorials now and I really think so far that this has been extremely well done. Early days, but I'll be very surprised if I don't plump for an annual subscription

klownshed

One thing that I've really enjoyed and that is better than on the Mac is Automating with the step editor

You don't get direct access to plug-in parameters on the Mac version. I hope they'll fix that soon :-)

One drawback is I can't find a way to create a new track using the same instrument. So you can't have a midi region being automated by a pattern region. Importing a Mac project with multiple tracks with he same instruments works fine, I don't think you can make them on the iPad though. Another thing for the Wishlist.

It's not too much of a workaround to convert a MIDI region to Pattern region to get to step automation though.

This is something I did in Nanostudio 2 years ago and it drove me mad getting exactly what I wanted. I even bought a load of apps like stepbud thinking they'd make it easier, but the only way I could get the sound that I wanted was to draw in the automation in NS2 which was mega fiddly (drawing automation isn't great for on the grid step automation). It's the intro synth to this song (NS2 + Lorentz)

Took no time flat to do the same thing in Logic.

And I can play drums with a guitar fretboard instrument panel. I can't do that on the Mac

Jusch1995

Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

klownshed

@Janosax said:
Audio editor seems to be non existent, can’t see any normalisation, fade in out, or other things. I can’t even set an individual volume per region/part except via automation curve. I miss something?

You're missing my favourite feature ever in Logic, the inspector. IT's what made it impossible for me to switch away in the early days of Logic.

You can change the region Gain, Fade ins/outs etc all non-destructively there on a region by region basis (or select multiple regions to do them all together). If you transpose a region, and then select it and another region and transpose again, the amount you transpose by will be a delta (i.e. region 1 = -1 Region 2 = +0 select both and set transpose to +3 Region 1 will be +2 and region 2 will be +3).

For MIDI you get non destructive quantise, transpose, velocity, gate, etc. You can make all your notes legato and compress the velocity all non-destructively really quickly.

The inspector is gold. So glad it's there on the iPad in full.

zzrwood

@Jusch1995 said:
Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

Long click on the midi fx tile and choose record to track here

Janosax

@klownshed said:

@Janosax said:
Audio editor seems to be non existent, can’t see any normalisation, fade in out, or other things. I can’t even set an individual volume per region/part except via automation curve. I miss something?

You're missing my favourite feature ever in Logic, the inspector. IT's what made it impossible for me to switch away in the early days of Logic.

You can change the region Gain, Fade ins/outs etc all non-destructively there on a region by region basis (or select multiple regions to do them all together). If you transpose a region, and then select it and another region and transpose again, the amount you transpose by will be a delta (i.e. region 1 = -1 Region 2 = +0 select both and set transpose to +3 Region 1 will be +2 and region 2 will be +3).

For MIDI you get non destructive quantise, transpose, velocity, gate, etc. You can make all your notes legato and compress the velocity all non-destructively really quickly.

The inspector is gold. So glad it's there on the iPad in full.

Thanks!! Just found it myself. That’s perfect

greatestlengths

Can anyone confirm/deny that the only way to use a stock grand piano sound is to use them in Sampler?
Or Quick Sampler?

I can do both of those.

I find it unusual that there’s no piano “instrument” though.

Is this how it is on Logic Pro for Mac as well? You have to load up the piano as a sample in Sampler or Quick Sampler, and can’t just.. load up a MIDI piano as an instrument, ala GarageBand or any other DAW?

Am I missing something?

[Deleted User]

@monz0id said:
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This iOS Daw is

@Janosax said:

@klownshed said:

@Janosax said:
Audio editor seems to be non existent, can’t see any normalisation, fade in out, or other things. I can’t even set an individual volume per region/part except via automation curve. I miss something?

You're missing my favourite feature ever in Logic, the inspector. IT's what made it impossible for me to switch away in the early days of Logic.

You can change the region Gain, Fade ins/outs etc all non-destructively there on a region by region basis (or select multiple regions to do them all together). If you transpose a region, and then select it and another region and transpose again, the amount you transpose by will be a delta (i.e. region 1 = -1 Region 2 = +0 select both and set transpose to +3 Region 1 will be +2 and region 2 will be +3).

For MIDI you get non destructive quantise, transpose, velocity, gate, etc. You can make all your notes legato and compress the velocity all non-destructively really quickly.

The inspector is gold. So glad it's there on the iPad in full.

Thanks!! Just found it myself. That’s perfect

The biggest challenge is to find where what you need is set up. But you go nearly all what you want but where it is ? With Logic ios it is easy to say I can’t do that or they miss that but in fact you got is, somewhere. 😂

Jusch1995

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:
Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

Long click on the midi fx tile and choose record to track here

Thank you, will try this later
So far i'm pretty happy on what we got.

I hope that scaler 2 will Update so it works as a midi effekt, but i guess thats not a problem of logic.

brambos

I'm working on making Rozeta available in the MIDI FX list.

klownshed

@greatestlengths said:
Can anyone confirm/deny that the only way to use a stock grand piano sound is to use them in Sampler?
Or Quick Sampler?

I can do both of those.

I find it unusual that there’s no piano “instrument” though.

Is this how it is on Logic Pro for Mac as well? You have to load up the piano as a sample in Sampler or Quick Sampler, and can’t just.. load up a MIDI piano as an instrument, ala GarageBand or any other DAW?

Am I missing something?

Kind of. Grand Piano" on Garagaband is the exact same thing as the same piano instrument loaded in the sampler in Logic.

Try this. Make a new GarageBand project and add the Piano instrument. Save it.

Now open that project in Logic.

That's the same Grand Piano.

richardyot

@greatestlengths said:
Can anyone confirm/deny that the only way to use a stock grand piano sound is to use them in Sampler?
Or Quick Sampler?

I can do both of those.

I find it unusual that there’s no piano “instrument” though.

Is this how it is on Logic Pro for Mac as well? You have to load up the piano as a sample in Sampler or Quick Sampler, and can’t just.. load up a MIDI piano as an instrument, ala GarageBand or any other DAW?

Am I missing something?

That seems to be the case. At first glance I would say that GarageBand is doing exactly the same thing behind the scenes, just with a nicer and more visual UI. You can't really tweak any settings in GB either, so the functionality is the same.

Michael_R_Grant

For everyone with complaints, remember that this is only the launch version! Logic Pro X on the Mac has seen sooooooo many updates since release, the same will likely be true with this one.

realdawei

@richardyot said:

@greatestlengths said:
Can anyone confirm/deny that the only way to use a stock grand piano sound is to use them in Sampler?
Or Quick Sampler?

I can do both of those.

I find it unusual that there’s no piano “instrument” though.

Is this how it is on Logic Pro for Mac as well? You have to load up the piano as a sample in Sampler or Quick Sampler, and can’t just.. load up a MIDI piano as an instrument, ala GarageBand or any other DAW?

Am I missing something?

That seems to be the case. At first glance I would say that GarageBand is doing exactly the same thing behind the scenes, just with a nicer and more visual UI. You can't really tweak any settings in GB either, so the functionality is the same.

Yeah it seems GB iOS uses custom tiles on top of Sampler for a lot of its internal instruments. I find those delightful and miss them in LP. But that’s another excuse to keep investing in 3rd AUv3. Designers start your engines!

Gavinski

@brambos said:

I'm working on making Rozeta available in the MIDI FX list.

You boss you! 🔥🔥

zzrwood

@Jusch1995 said:

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:
Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

Long click on the midi fx tile and choose record to track here

Thank you, will try this later
So far i'm pretty happy on what we got.

I hope that scaler 2 will Update so it works as a midi effekt, but i guess thats not a problem of logic.

Scaler 2 already works as a midi fx

Schmotown

@brambos said:
I'm working on making Rozeta available in the MIDI FX list.

Thank you, sir.

FordTimeLord

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:
Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

Long click on the midi fx tile and choose record to track here

Thank you, will try this later
So far i'm pretty happy on what we got.

I hope that scaler 2 will Update so it works as a midi effekt, but i guess thats not a problem of logic.

Scaler 2 already works as a midi fx

In Logic?

[Deleted User]

@brambos said:

I'm working on making Rozeta available in the MIDI FX list.

Thanks great

ik2000

Scaler devs are aware of issues and already looking at fixes.

Jusch1995

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:
Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

Long click on the midi fx tile and choose record to track here

Thank you, will try this later
So far i'm pretty happy on what we got.

I hope that scaler 2 will Update so it works as a midi effekt, but i guess thats not a problem of logic.

Scaler 2 already works as a midi fx

Not in Logic for me, I get an error.

lasselu

@brambos said:
I'm working on making Rozeta available in the MIDI FX list.

Outstanding!

Gavinski

@BerlinFx said:

@brambos said:

I'm working on making Rozeta available in the MIDI FX list.

Thanks great

Brilliant

greatestlengths

@realdawei said:

@richardyot said:

@greatestlengths said:
Can anyone confirm/deny that the only way to use a stock grand piano sound is to use them in Sampler?
Or Quick Sampler?

I can do both of those.

I find it unusual that there’s no piano “instrument” though.

Is this how it is on Logic Pro for Mac as well? You have to load up the piano as a sample in Sampler or Quick Sampler, and can’t just.. load up a MIDI piano as an instrument, ala GarageBand or any other DAW?

Am I missing something?

That seems to be the case. At first glance I would say that GarageBand is doing exactly the same thing behind the scenes, just with a nicer and more visual UI. You can't really tweak any settings in GB either, so the functionality is the same.

Yeah it seems GB iOS uses custom tiles on top of Sampler for a lot of its internal instruments. I find those delightful and miss them in LP. But that’s another excuse to keep investing in 3rd AUv3. Designers start your engines!

@richardyot said:

@greatestlengths said:
Can anyone confirm/deny that the only way to use a stock grand piano sound is to use them in Sampler?
Or Quick Sampler?

I can do both of those.

I find it unusual that there’s no piano “instrument” though.

Is this how it is on Logic Pro for Mac as well? You have to load up the piano as a sample in Sampler or Quick Sampler, and can’t just.. load up a MIDI piano as an instrument, ala GarageBand or any other DAW?

Am I missing something?

That seems to be the case. At first glance I would say that GarageBand is doing exactly the same thing behind the scenes, just with a nicer and more visual UI. You can't really tweak any settings in GB either, so the functionality is the same.

@klownshed said:

@greatestlengths said:
Can anyone confirm/deny that the only way to use a stock grand piano sound is to use them in Sampler?
Or Quick Sampler?

I can do both of those.

I find it unusual that there’s no piano “instrument” though.

Is this how it is on Logic Pro for Mac as well? You have to load up the piano as a sample in Sampler or Quick Sampler, and can’t just.. load up a MIDI piano as an instrument, ala GarageBand or any other DAW?

Am I missing something?

Kind of. Grand Piano" on Garagaband is the exact same thing as the same piano instrument loaded in the sampler in Logic.

Try this. Make a new GarageBand project and add the Piano instrument. Save it.

Now open that project in Logic.

That's the same Grand Piano.

I’m not familiar with how the quotation system works on this forum, hopefully this doesn’t look like a total mess because it looks like a mess while I’m typing this response.

Anyway, thanks for the replies - this clears things up for me and I feel I’m doing things properly, then.

I was thinking I was doing something wrong, or that something hadn’t installed correctly or something - I still find it odd that “Piano” isn’t listed as an option alongside the other choices that pop up when you create a MIDI track - ie Synthesizer, Vintage Keys, Drums etc.. on that screen, you’d think “piano” would make sense there.

My 2c is that it should be added there, and that Sampler should be reskinned in some way ala GarageBand so that “piano” can be chosen as an “instrument”, even though it’s the exact same thing as Sampler. We can’t edit anything in Sampler on iPad LP..

Still, now that I know this is the right way of doing it (super unintuitive though let’s be real), I’m good to go. Some of the piano sounds I’ve got happening do sound awesome.

zzrwood

@FordTimeLord said:

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:
Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

Long click on the midi fx tile and choose record to track here

Thank you, will try this later
So far i'm pretty happy on what we got.

I hope that scaler 2 will Update so it works as a midi effekt, but i guess thats not a problem of logic.

Scaler 2 already works as a midi fx

In Logic?

No, none of the Scaler 2 suite of 4 AUV3s work in Logic - the devs are looking into it…

FordTimeLord

@zzrwood said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:
Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

Long click on the midi fx tile and choose record to track here

Thank you, will try this later
So far i'm pretty happy on what we got.

I hope that scaler 2 will Update so it works as a midi effekt, but i guess thats not a problem of logic.

Scaler 2 already works as a midi fx

In Logic?

No, none of the Scaler 2 suite of 4 AUV3s work in Logic - the devs are looking into it…

Ah ok, cheers 👍

zzrwood

@Jusch1995 said:

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:

@zzrwood said:

@Jusch1995 said:
Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

Long click on the midi fx tile and choose record to track here

Thank you, will try this later
So far i'm pretty happy on what we got.

I hope that scaler 2 will Update so it works as a midi effekt, but i guess thats not a problem of logic.

Scaler 2 already works as a midi fx

Not in Logic for me, I get an error.

Sorry, I meant that Scaler 2 already works as a midi fx in other hosts… It is sometimes confusing that Scaler 2 has 4 AUV3s - 1 midi fx, 2 instruments and 1 audio fx…

SevenSystems

@brambos said:

@giku_beepstreet said:
AUv3 automation recording doesn't work in many cases, because most AUv3s don't send AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by Audio Unit specification.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationeventtype?language=objc

So if you have a problem with your fav AUv3, inform developer please.

I'm glad Logic is the first DAW that requires this, it makes parameters recording much easier and robust.

(From my side: Zeeon works fine, Sunrizer will be updated soon)

Respectfully disagree with this approach 100%.

I actually feel it's downright silly and goes against the core principles of a creative mobile platform to reduce automation to a touch-down and touch-up approach (that's old school mouse thinking).

• What goes on in the UI of a plugin is none of the host's business. It should conceptually remain fully separated. Separation of concerns. The host should just listen to incoming automation data and leave the generation of it to the plugin without meddling.

• What if automation is not generated through a touch-down and touch-up action?

• What if I use the accelerometer or tilt sensors instead?
• What if automation data is generated procedurally?
• What if I use kinetic models so you can give a slider a whack and it remains outputting automation data while it slows down after I lift my fingers (like I do in Fluss)?

I will resist this nonsense and report it as a bug to Apple.

Good points, there's one situation where Apple's strict approach makes sense though: when "overwriting" existing automation data (if such a mode exists in Logic) -- in that case the host NEEDS to know when incoming data "starts" and "ends" (that's why Xequence's "Overwrite" mode only works with the internal touch faders, not incoming MIDI CCs).

(I hope MIDI 2.0 includes a "Controller On" and "Controller Off" message 😄)

ghost_forests

@Gavinski said:
Any way we can get @brambos Rozeta apps working in this? Seems not as they are not classed as midi FX, no? Also - what is the current best YT vid to get up to speed on Logic for iPad? Or is it better to just work through the in-app tutorials?

Haven’t even opened the app yet, have been watching videos instead (because this kind of recording music is almost completely alien to me - not even had a PC since 2010 and have never made music on a desktop computer, and never owned a Mac despite being a long-time iOS user), and I found this one very useful being a noob

brambos

@SevenSystems said:

@brambos said:

@giku_beepstreet said:
AUv3 automation recording doesn't work in many cases, because most AUv3s don't send AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by Audio Unit specification.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationeventtype?language=objc

So if you have a problem with your fav AUv3, inform developer please.

I'm glad Logic is the first DAW that requires this, it makes parameters recording much easier and robust.

(From my side: Zeeon works fine, Sunrizer will be updated soon)

Respectfully disagree with this approach 100%.

I actually feel it's downright silly and goes against the core principles of a creative mobile platform to reduce automation to a touch-down and touch-up approach (that's old school mouse thinking).

• What goes on in the UI of a plugin is none of the host's business. It should conceptually remain fully separated. Separation of concerns. The host should just listen to incoming automation data and leave the generation of it to the plugin without meddling.

• What if automation is not generated through a touch-down and touch-up action?

• What if I use the accelerometer or tilt sensors instead?
• What if automation data is generated procedurally?
• What if I use kinetic models so you can give a slider a whack and it remains outputting automation data while it slows down after I lift my fingers (like I do in Fluss)?

I will resist this nonsense and report it as a bug to Apple.

Good points, there's one situation where Apple's strict approach makes sense though: when "overwriting" existing automation data (if such a mode exists in Logic) -- in that case the host NEEDS to know when incoming data "starts" and "ends" (that's why Xequence's "Overwrite" mode only works with the internal touch faders, not incoming MIDI CCs).

(I hope MIDI 2.0 includes a "Controller On" and "Controller Off" message 😄)

I know why they want it. I made a VST host (Tunafish, ages ago) and that was one of the hardest things to figure out and make robust.

But I’m not in the business of making Apple’s life easier. I mean… eye for an eye etc.