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Inter-App Audio: The state of play in 2023

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  • Anyway, still think there's mileage in appealing for these apps to be updated, or to at least know that they never will.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @A_Fox said:
    Just a point of the Korg Wave AUV3… it wasn’t loading in Logic Pro when I tried the other day 🤣

    I just downloaded it. Loads in Logic Pro iPad. Pity it's not available on desktop.

    I just tried again and it works. Im glad.. its a nice fast to use wt synth.
    Not sure what was happening yesterday.

  • Let's just hope that those companies that value their customers (KORG etc.) will update their apps...
    ...I would NOT be surprised if IAA will be 'killed' with iPadOS17, I mean that's over 3 years 'mercy time' for slacking devs...

  • Ok, so...Anyone know the AB Forum user-names of some/all of these developers?

    Perhaps we could bring their attention to this thread, and hope that they feel happy to share.

  • @cyberheater said:
    Given that the biggest DAW on iOS (Logic Pro) doesn’t support IAA means it’s basically dead.

    I’ve deleted all my IAA apps. I’m never going to buy from an App developer who hasn’t updated their apps to AUV3. Korg, I’m looking at you.

    This is Apple’s way of killing off half my apps. Granted some of them are nonfunctional but that’s not the point. Why should I use a DAW that limits what I can do? Logic’s not for me. I’ll stick with AUM. It doesn’t tell me what apps are permissible.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    m> @NeuM said:

    @cyberheater said:
    Given that the biggest DAW on iOS (Logic Pro) doesn’t support IAA means it’s basically dead.

    I’ve deleted all my IAA apps. I’m never going to buy from an App developer who hasn’t updated their apps to AUV3. Korg, I’m looking at you.

    Yes, the failure to maintain even very good older apps and make them AUv3/AU at this point is inexcusable. I'm on board with getting rid of all laggards.

    Inexcusable? An awful lot of very intelligent developers with far more knowledge of their revenue streams find that the economics aren’t there to justify putting in the time and/or money to create AUv3 versions of their apps.

    If one doesn’t like using IAA apps, fine. But there are some excellent IAA with no real AUv3 equivalent that continue to work great. If you do like using IAA that’s obviously ok. To say that it is inexcusable for developers to lose money or be minimally profitable is puzzling — and inconsistent with your belief that market economics are always “right”.

    I'm sure those developers have plenty of reasons they have no interest in bringing their apps up to date. As users, we have the right to determine what is acceptable for us. I find it inexcusable for any developer to continue to offer apps which have fallen into disrepair.

  • @el_bo said:
    Ok, so...Anyone know the AB Forum user-names of some/all of these developers?

    Perhaps we could bring their attention to this thread, and hope that they feel happy to share.

    They're well aware of how out of date their apps are. If they manage to continue to make sales while doing no upkeep there's little incentive for them.

  • @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    m> @NeuM said:

    @cyberheater said:
    Given that the biggest DAW on iOS (Logic Pro) doesn’t support IAA means it’s basically dead.

    I’ve deleted all my IAA apps. I’m never going to buy from an App developer who hasn’t updated their apps to AUV3. Korg, I’m looking at you.

    Yes, the failure to maintain even very good older apps and make them AUv3/AU at this point is inexcusable. I'm on board with getting rid of all laggards.

    Inexcusable? An awful lot of very intelligent developers with far more knowledge of their revenue streams find that the economics aren’t there to justify putting in the time and/or money to create AUv3 versions of their apps.

    If one doesn’t like using IAA apps, fine. But there are some excellent IAA with no real AUv3 equivalent that continue to work great. If you do like using IAA that’s obviously ok. To say that it is inexcusable for developers to lose money or be minimally profitable is puzzling — and inconsistent with your belief that market economics are always “right”.

    I'm sure those developers have plenty of reasons they have no interest in bringing their apps up to date. As users, we have the right to determine what is acceptable for us. I find it inexcusable for any developer to continue to offer apps which have fallen into disrepair.

    If an app works well, it has not "fallen into disrepair".

    While it would be lovely, if all apps were IAA. It is just not accurate to call something that works well "in disrepair" or to call it inexcusable.

    You have every right to prefer AUv3 apps -- but it is just silly to act as if apps that work well are "in disrepair" because they haven't adopted the latest protocols -- and it certainly is not inexcusable for developers to not update apps if the time/effort would be more than it would return.

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  • Before the rise of AUV3, the instability and all-around awfulness of IAA basically caused me to go back to using my Mac for all my music work. That being said, recently when I started to look at my IAA-only apps like Patterning, DM1, iSpark, Funk Drummer, Nave, etc. like I would a hardware device, as long as the app has good export options, or can routinely survive one crash-free recording pass before I delete the instance, they still have lots of value. They’re also often great for creating sounds that can be brought into my DAW and manipulated further. I would love for all of them to be converted to AUV3, but I’ll wait a bit longer before deleting them. :)

  • IAA always felt like a hack. I haven't used any IAA apps for years. Even where they are supported, like AUM, the experience was painful and annoying.

    The writing has been on the wall for a while. Time to move on already.

  • @Tovokas said:
    Before the rise of AUV3, the instability and all-around awfulness of IAA basically caused me to go back to using my Mac for all my music work. That being said, recently when I started to look at my IAA-only apps like Patterning, DM1, iSpark, Funk Drummer, Nave, etc. like I would a hardware device, as long as the app has good export options, or can routinely survive one crash-free recording pass before I delete the instance, they still have lots of value. They’re also often great for creating sounds that can be brought into my DAW and manipulated further. I would love for all of them to be converted to AUV3, but I’ll wait a bit longer before deleting them. :)

    I agree with this. I’m kinda spoiled now with having AUs open within the host app but some of the IAA apps I have I just can’t delete until they literally no longer work. Some of my all time favorite apps are IAA. I’m just hoping Thumbjam becomes AU sooner than later. I know the dev said they’re working on it.

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  • Iaa is pretty much dead to me…has been for a while. I still have some on my IPad like the Korg apps and others but if I use them it’s pretty much as sound modules going into my Tascam Model 24, but I haven’t used them with any IPad Daws in a long time…just don’t have a need to use iaa at all now

  • edited May 2023

    @tja said:

    @auxmux said:
    IAA always felt like a hack. I haven't used any IAA apps for years. Even where they are supported, like AUM, the experience was painful and annoying.

    Have you some examples of your problems?
    Never had them ...

    User experience is a primary issue with IAA. You mentioned that you prefer using one or few apps at a time.

    But when you are using multiple AUs instruments and fx, then you have add IAA apps with those, you have to switch screens to interact them, which is not a great experience.

    Also, IAA apps don't support parameter automation, and usually rely on midi learn or some workaround, which is far from ideal.

    I do like fullscreen apps for when I'm working on sound design but most of the time it's always working on a track with multiple AUs. I also came from using VSTs on desktop so AUs match this experience.

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  • IAA is still viable and used here. I like a lotta IAA only apps and sometimes I like pulling them up in standalone mode and/or piping them into a DAW. Yes AUv3 is superior to IAA, but the more options I have the better I like it. IAA apps are still cool to me, and if IAA ever goes away, I hope @Michael still has his secret plan B method ready for them to connect.

  • edited May 2023

    @NeuM said:
    I find it inexcusable for any developer to continue to offer apps which have fallen into disrepair.

    Disrepair?

    Just because an IAA app doesn't work in Logic Pro doesn't mean that it is in disrepair. It still has a lot of other uses.

    I charge you with "App Fascism"!!!! :smiley:

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    m> @NeuM said:

    @cyberheater said:
    Given that the biggest DAW on iOS (Logic Pro) doesn’t support IAA means it’s basically dead.

    I’ve deleted all my IAA apps. I’m never going to buy from an App developer who hasn’t updated their apps to AUV3. Korg, I’m looking at you.

    Yes, the failure to maintain even very good older apps and make them AUv3/AU at this point is inexcusable. I'm on board with getting rid of all laggards.

    Inexcusable? An awful lot of very intelligent developers with far more knowledge of their revenue streams find that the economics aren’t there to justify putting in the time and/or money to create AUv3 versions of their apps.

    If one doesn’t like using IAA apps, fine. But there are some excellent IAA with no real AUv3 equivalent that continue to work great. If you do like using IAA that’s obviously ok. To say that it is inexcusable for developers to lose money or be minimally profitable is puzzling — and inconsistent with your belief that market economics are always “right”.

    I'm sure those developers have plenty of reasons they have no interest in bringing their apps up to date. As users, we have the right to determine what is acceptable for us. I find it inexcusable for any developer to continue to offer apps which have fallen into disrepair.

    If an app works well, it has not "fallen into disrepair".

    While it would be lovely, if all apps were IAA. It is just not accurate to call something that works well "in disrepair" or to call it inexcusable.

    You have every right to prefer AUv3 apps -- but it is just silly to act as if apps that work well are "in disrepair" because they haven't adopted the latest protocols -- and it certainly is not inexcusable for developers to not update apps if the time/effort would be more than it would return.

    I think the real issue is when and what iOS will Apple finally kill any operating system support for the IAA protocols. As someone wrote above, iOS 17 could be it...folks that have invested a lot of money on IAA apps are going to need to stay locked to an earlier iOS otherwise those apps will not run , or as a poster wrote, keep an older machine around JUST to play those apps.

  • @pax-eterna said:

    I think the real issue is when and what iOS will Apple finally kill any operating system support for the IAA protocols. As someone wrote above, iOS 17 could be it...folks that have invested a lot of money on IAA apps are going to need to stay locked to an earlier iOS otherwise those apps will not run , or as a poster wrote, keep an older machine around JUST to play those apps.

    That is different from saying that it is inexcusable that developers haven't made AUv3 versions of their old apps or that they are broken -- which is what the person I was replying to was insisting.

    Again, I understand the preference for AUv3 and way one might choose not to use IAA apps. But it doesn't make it inexcusable for developers not to invest time and money to update their apps.

    Most developers that haven't updated their apps have probably made little money compared to the time invested -- and in many cases these are very old apps that would require a lot of work to update.

  • How many hours did those devs invest in building the apps in the 1st place and then how many hours did everybody in turn spend learning them? It’s a kind of cultural vandalism. Although I’ll probably enjoy the edge I get running unobtainable IAAs on old phones.

  • It’s just more tragic that some these developers jumped into to support the platform early before a true plugin model was made available. They might even feel burned and that would be justifiable imo

  • We can always hope that once 'Side Loading' becomes an option we'll get something similar to SoundFlower that lets us route anything to everywhere?

    I'd definitely get Audio Hijack for iPad if it was available, even from a 3rd party AppStore...
    https://rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/

  • I think too many people are stack here to the past. IAA apps I don’t care like this having their habits after 10 years on IPad music.

    By mistake I bought high pricey gadget IAPP and synth , thanks to Korg which is a brand of the past compare to Moog.

    Welcome to a new generation of Daw and AI music apps as I find very happy with annAI photo creation AI that change all I can do and make me create what I want in 1 minutes.

    Hat I want is quick and good results like in life. I haven’t so many years to live so sorry don’t want to spend my days in a dark studio room I want what me make creative very quickly. Thanks to Hilda @brambos and very few apps.

    Many apps even AUv3 are a waste of time. I make exceptions as I spend time to learn Logic ios but I loose many precious hours for that. Hopefully I forget my bad habits on Logic Mac considering that I don’t need it anymore and go an other way so I nearly finish my first track still learning Logic on IPad.

    My challenge in the next months will be to do in max 3 hours good music output and at lest 50 tracks a year.

    Hopefully in May I will be traveling and enjoying sea and beautiful sand beaches.

    Delete or forget like me all time waster apps and travel , enjoy landscape and sunny beaches and the sea . Take 3 hours sometimes in your hotel to do

    My cruelty tend to delete time waster apps and to consider only dev able not to make my life in music worst , I am in the way to list time waster apps and the first are Gadget and all Korg apps even AUv3 ones, other apps to follow in my list. I hate gadget 2 so I disinstalled it and the dev that have a wage to do Korg apps doesn’t deserve their wages that my opinion.

  • edited May 2023

    I’m going to sound like a broken record player here but there’s several IAA apps that don’t have AUV3 equivalents, in fact some like Samplr have no equivalents, period.

    So yes, if you can find an equivalent in the AU world then power to you but otherwise there’s no reason to delete the oldies if they’re still fully functional.

    The only issue with Samplr in Loopy Pro is that the state isn’t saved to the sample set needs to be loaded in manually. I guess it’s a small price to pay for the privilege.

  • @supadom said:
    I’m going to sound like a broken record player here but there’s several IAA apps that don’t have AUV3 equivalents, in fact some like Samplr have no equivalents, period.

    So yes, if you can find an equivalent in the AU world then power to you but otherwise there’s no reason to delete the oldies if they’re still fully functional.

    The only issue with Samplr in Loopy Pro is that the state isn’t saved to the sample set needs to be loaded in manually. I guess it’s a small price to pay for the privilege.

    How many time before you die me got only 10 years so no time to waste sorry with oldies and time waster apps. Want to do quick good music with apps that don’t waste my time like Hilda and go to enjoy sun sea beach and sex

  • @HotStrange said:
    With Samplr being included in Logic who knows what will happen there.

    Come on, that ain’t Samplr!!

  • edited May 2023

    @BerlinFx said:

    @supadom said:
    I’m going to sound like a broken record player here but there’s several IAA apps that don’t have AUV3 equivalents, in fact some like Samplr have no equivalents, period.

    So yes, if you can find an equivalent in the AU world then power to you but otherwise there’s no reason to delete the oldies if they’re still fully functional.

    The only issue with Samplr in Loopy Pro is that the state isn’t saved to the sample set needs to be loaded in manually. I guess it’s a small price to pay for the privilege.

    How many time before you die me got only 10 years so no time to waste sorry with oldies and time waster apps. Want to do quick good music with apps that don’t waste my time like Hilda and go to enjoy sun sea beach and sex

    What wasted time are you talking about? They load just like any other app….further more, some AUV3 apps don’t even have standalone version

    ….also if you’re on this forum having discussions about usefulness of IAA vs AU the whole beach and sex stuff is likely just in prototype stages.

  • @supadom said:
    I’m going to sound like a broken record player here but there’s several IAA apps that don’t have AUV3 equivalents, in fact some like Samplr have no equivalents, period.

    So yes, if you can find an equivalent in the AU world then power to you but otherwise there’s no reason to delete the oldies if they’re still fully functional.

    The only issue with Samplr in Loopy Pro is that the state isn’t saved to the sample set needs to be loaded in manually. I guess it’s a small price to pay for the privilege.

    Yup! Borderlands, (The 'real') Samplr, Thumb/Drum-Jam, Patterning, Attack, TC-11 etc. are still up there with the best of what touch-music has to offer.

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @supadom said:
    I’m going to sound like a broken record player here but there’s several IAA apps that don’t have AUV3 equivalents, in fact some like Samplr have no equivalents, period.

    So yes, if you can find an equivalent in the AU world then power to you but otherwise there’s no reason to delete the oldies if they’re still fully functional.

    The only issue with Samplr in Loopy Pro is that the state isn’t saved to the sample set needs to be loaded in manually. I guess it’s a small price to pay for the privilege.

    How many time before you die me got only 10 years so no time to waste sorry with oldies and time waster apps. Want to do quick good music with apps that don’t waste my time like Hilda and go to enjoy sun sea beach and sex

    Inter-App Audio doesn’t need to take any time over AUv3. And if the results are to one’s liking it could hardly be regarded as a waste.

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