[OUT] Auto Bass - MIDI Bassline Generator

catherder

Just bought it. Personally I like the simplicity of it. That’s always a big plus for cems apps.
@cem_olcay From a usability point of view I would like the offset control to move to 0 on a double tap. It is very fiddly to do this at the moment. However, I am not sure if the offset setting has a significant effect in the low percentage range. Difficult to hear because it creates a new baseline whenever you change something.

wingwizard

@HotStrange said:

@wingwizard said:

@HotStrange said:

@wingwizard said:
Does this have bass guitar samples or is it just to generate the MIDI ? Thanks/ wondering about the quality as not impressed with bass in any apps exceot a Pianobook one via ds. Maybe logic has better too.

There’s tons of great bass apps on iOS. Which ones have you tried?

Thanks for the comment but all of them, unfortunately. Ifretless, beathawk, all the different samples in various apps, thumbjam, the Lumbeat one (I don’t find any lumbeat stuff convincing or organic). There’s some ok ish stuff but it’s pretty weak really, either too muddy, or not enough variety, or playability for me.

I had to hunt down a few samples that were better for decent sampler but it’s still a big gap on iOS. I did very briefly try the logic one and think that was better than the rest.

Did you check Pianobook or musical artifacts for SoundFonts? There is definitely a lack of “real” instruments on iOS but I’m hoping that will change soon. The options we have now are fine for me, but I don’t make music with straightforward electric bass sounds often. Usually it’s just synths doing the bass work.

Yeah Pianobook is where I found one bass sound I find usable. Actually, I checked out the logic Beatles violin bass thing again last night and it’s my favourite, we just need more. It is purely an electric bass guitar issue - i don’t use synth basses

cem_olcay

The app is out everybody, thanks for all the feedbacks and feature requests. Keep them coming, I’ll add some more fetures with the updates.

http://keybudapp.com/autobass
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/auto-bass-auv3-midi-generator/id6450610419

Svetlovska

Hi @cem_olcay. Got it, seems interesting, but something seems off about the tempo scaling. On a two bar loop in AUM I’m having to run it at 292 bpm (!) to get it to go at a decent pace. Am I missing something?

Update. Tried a restart, now everything seems fine. Weird…

raabje

I bought it (without thinking or further investigating, my mistake....) but then I wondered what is the use of this app?

I only got non musical results. When I randomly draw some notes in LK or an other sequencer I get better results. I had this idea it would be some kind of Ibassist ultra lite version, or like the Bram Bos bass line generator, or the note generator that is inside Pure Acid.

This app is realy bare-bone at the moment. I will keep an eye out for future development.

Poppadocrock

Congratulations @cem_olcay on another stellar app to the series.

$6.99 in US App Store

I love all your stuff, have every app but this one (which I will soon) and one more. I don’t want to make this a recurring trend… when you finish an app you immediately get suggestions for new ones, lol, but I’d love to see ChordBud2, one of my most used midi sequencing apps, get a few minor updates. I’d love to be able to add in a root bass note, an octave or 2 lower than the chord, and/or a higher root note an octave higher than the chords. This way you can easily add a fourth note (either a bass note, or voice leading note) to a triad, without having to make it a 7th, etc…

Cheers man! We love Buds!

Poppadocrock

@catherder said:
Just bought it. Personally I like the simplicity of it. That’s always a big plus for cems apps.
@cem_olcay From a usability point of view I would like the offset control to move to 0 on a double tap. It is very fiddly to do this at the moment. However, I am not sure if the offset setting has a significant effect in the low percentage range. Difficult to hear because it creates a new baseline whenever you change something.

Yea agreed. I mentioned this on the beta testing. Some knobs wouldn’t benefit from it but the offset is one, and I think there is one more that could use the double tap to reset feature.

Poppadocrock

@raabje said:
I bought it (without thinking or further investigating, my mistake....) but then I wondered what is the use of this app?

I only got non musical results. When I randomly draw some notes in LK or an other sequencer I get better results. I had this idea it would be some kind of Ibassist ultra lite version, or like the Bram Bos bass line generator, or the note generator that is inside Pure Acid.

This app is realy bare-bone at the moment. I will keep an eye out for future development.

It’s meant to be a generative/semi-generative app, there’s some control but its main focus is to create monophonic bass/lead/etc lines. I see it as an enhanced, better Autony, but just to clarify it’s not trying to be LK or Atom. I’ve used it to create some nice bass lines. Sometimes when I like something but really want to alter the midi, I simply record the midi into atom2/LK/etc… then tinker. It’s great at coming up with ideas, helping you generate new/different midi with the press of a button, you can always take the midi from there, record it somewhere and build on it. Cheers.

Poppadocrock

@cem_olcay one quick idea. have you considered adding ratcheting. I was thinking about this but forgot to mention it. Where one bass note could play 2, 3, even 4 times during its duration. I think that would be a phenomenal feature to add to this gem. You could set the range of ratchet amounts and how often it occurs In a percentage, and have it randomly apply to the notes generated. Just a thought. Thanks.

sigma79

@Gavinski said:
I tend to use things like beef or knock to make the organic basses we have more interesting

I had a blitz with these apps.

Think I amatuerishly concluded ( without owning knock )

Beef for kick drum.

Woot for bases that use plucks.

Medusa for basses without pluck or to beef a synth sound,

raabje

@Poppadocrock said:
It’s meant to be a generative/semi-generative app, there’s some control but its main focus is to create monophonic bass/lead/etc lines. I see it as an enhanced, better Autony, but just to clarify it’s not trying to be LK or Atom. I’ve used it to create some nice bass lines. Sometimes when I like something but really want to alter the midi, I simply record the midi into atom2/LK/etc… then tinker. It’s great at coming up with ideas, helping you generate new/different midi with the press of a button, you can always take the midi from there, record it somewhere and build on it. Cheers.

ok, thanks for the explanation! My initial results were non musical, no matter what i tried with the knobs. I am not a coder or developer so I don't know if it is possible but a nice feature would be that some kind of style can be set. Like laid back bass line, forward/driven bass line, strictly root note, funky wider range bass line, jazzy bassline, etc. I admit that is arbitrary anyway and this might not fit in the spirit of this app.

Polyphonix

@Poppadocrock said:
Congratulations @cem_olcay on another stellar app to the series.

I don't want to ruin the, with very few exceptions, euphoric mood of this thread but can you elaborate on what exactly is stellar about the app? I seem to have missed something...

cem_olcay

@gusgranite said:

@gusgranite said:
@cem_olcay please please let BrainBud control this! 🙏

Yes, BrainBud can control Auto Bass, it will automatically adopt the new key/scale without regenerating the sequence!

Weird, I can’t get it to work. I have a look playing in AUM, I change the scale and key in BudBrain and cast it but the loop keeps playing as is?

You’re right, I released a new patch, v1.1 fixes that. Thanks for reporting 🙏

Polyphonix

@raabje said:

@Poppadocrock said:
It’s meant to be a generative/semi-generative app, there’s some control but its main focus is to create monophonic bass/lead/etc lines. I see it as an enhanced, better Autony, but just to clarify it’s not trying to be LK or Atom. I’ve used it to create some nice bass lines. Sometimes when I like something but really want to alter the midi, I simply record the midi into atom2/LK/etc… then tinker. It’s great at coming up with ideas, helping you generate new/different midi with the press of a button, you can always take the midi from there, record it somewhere and build on it. Cheers.

ok, thanks for the explanation! My initial results were non musical, no matter what i tried with the knobs. I am not a coder or developer so I don't know if it is possible but a nice feature would be that some kind of style can be set. Like laid back bass line, forward/driven bass line, strictly root note, funky wider range bass line, jazzy bassline, etc. I admit that is arbitrary anyway and this might not fit in the spirit of this app.

Hey @raabje, finally someone who addresses everything I actually also expected from the app, with a honorable mention of @gavinski. My recommendation for you: go for Riffler. It's primarily a guitar riffer but ticks a lot of your boxes. You can transpose down into the bass range at any time and still get plenty of excellent mysical results. As a by-product of the guitar riffs, so to speak. It really is what you might call a stellar app in almost every respect in terms of its purpose. If you want to wait until the black friday sale you can get it for probably only $2 extra.

raabje

@Polyphonix said:
Hey @raabje, finally someone who addresses everything I actually also expected from the app, with a honorable mention of @gavinski. My recommendation for you: go for Riffler. It's primarily a guitar riffer but ticks a lot of your boxes. You can transpose down into the bass range at any time and still get plenty of excellent mysical results. As a by-product of the guitar riffs, so to speak. It really is what you might call a stellar app in almost every respect in terms of its purpose. If you want to wait until the black friday sale you can get it for probably only $2 extra.

Yes, I feel a bit underwhelmed with this app, for what it is. But I am not a big fan of generative music (or "sound") so I am not the target audience. And I do have Riffler, but never thought about using it for bass lines, so that is a great tip, thanks!

Polyphonix

@raabje said:

@Polyphonix said:
Hey @raabje, finally someone who addresses everything I actually also expected from the app, with a honorable mention of @gavinski. My recommendation for you: go for Riffler. It's primarily a guitar riffer but ticks a lot of your boxes. You can transpose down into the bass range at any time and still get plenty of excellent mysical results. As a by-product of the guitar riffs, so to speak. It really is what you might call a stellar app in almost every respect in terms of its purpose. If you want to wait until the black friday sale you can get it for probably only $2 extra.

Yes, I feel a bit underwhelmed with this app, for what it is. But I am not a big fan of generative music (or "sound") so I am not the target audience. And I do have Riffler, but never thought about using it for bass lines, so that is a great tip, thanks!

Same here. Basically, I never considered myself a target audience for it either, but I now enjoy the expansion of possibilities that some of these apps offer. I think it depends on how you develop the 'sound' of generative midi. I am not a big fan of noodling and use it as an inspiration or starting point or even as a (sometimes) very welcome basic hook of a song. For all these cases, of course, one likes to fall back on tools that can quickly give this creative kick and rather not slow one down. That said it looks like I don't need to expand my toolbox right now. Glad I could help.

Poppadocrock

@Poppadocrock said:
Congratulations @cem_olcay on another stellar app to the series.

$6.99 in US App Store

I love all your stuff, have every app but this one (which I will soon) and one more. I don’t want to make this a recurring trend… when you finish an app you immediately get suggestions for new ones, lol, but I’d love to see ChordBud2, one of my most used midi sequencing apps, get a few minor updates. I’d love to be able to add in a root bass note, an octave or 2 lower than the chord, and/or a higher root note an octave higher than the chords. This way you can easily add a fourth note (either a bass note, or voice leading note) to a triad, without having to make it a 7th, etc…

Cheers man! We love Buds!

Edit I meant $5.99

Poppadocrock

@Polyphonix said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Congratulations @cem_olcay on another stellar app to the series.

I don't want to ruin the, with very few exceptions, euphoric mood of this thread but can you elaborate on what exactly is stellar about the app? I seem to have missed something...

I like the bud apps, and it’s another good one. Maybe stellar wasn’t the correct word choice. But so far I like what it’s been generating for me. Could use a couple tweaks, but all in all I like it. It also fits in well with other bud apps. I like midi generative apps.

eylvy

I'll be doing a demo and a giveaway to Audio Kit's King of Bass where I'll be using Auto Bass. Natural pairing.
I'm also running a Giveaway to Auto Bass (Same video I made earlier, just updated to a Giveaway).

Poppadocrock

@eylvy said:
I'll be doing a demo and a giveaway to Audio Kit's King of Bass where I'll be using Auto Bass. Natural pairing.
I'm also running a Giveaway to Auto Bass (Same video I made earlier, just updated to a Giveaway).

Dope. Count me in.

Poppadocrock

@cem_olcay couple quick thoughts.

1. have no idea how difficult it would be to implement, but I really feel like adding in ratcheting to individual bass notes would take this to another level. You could set a ratchet range, 1-5 or whatever and then a percentage for the amount of chance it will be applied to the generated notes. Like ratchet or repeat in Stepbud, other buds… I feel like it would really spice up the bass lines. Adding in a few extra notes in there to move the bass lines along.

2. Also… adding doubles, triplets.

3. I do like the converge, descending, etc… options you can set to the bass line, but it would be dope to expand upon that. Maybe things like Octave, Fifths, Slap, Shuffle, Arp, a few other melody/bass line type shapes or flows. A few eluded to this…

4. This one is a lot to ask and not what the app was necessarily meant for, but…. if you could send midi in, like a chord, then have it play the notes of the chord in the shape of the generated bass line, that would be crazy. Maybe by playing the nearest note in the chord, or rotating through the notes in some way, heck I don’t know, but the idea of sending in chords and getting a sweet bass line out that has always intrigued me. This could also tie in with #3.

Polyphonix

@Poppadocrock said:

@raabje said:
I bought it (without thinking or further investigating, my mistake....) but then I wondered what is the use of this app?

I only got non musical results. When I randomly draw some notes in LK or an other sequencer I get better results. I had this idea it would be some kind of Ibassist ultra lite version, or like the Bram Bos bass line generator, or the note generator that is inside Pure Acid.

This app is realy bare-bone at the moment. I will keep an eye out for future development.

It’s meant to be a generative/semi-generative app, there’s some control but its main focus is to create monophonic bass/lead/etc lines. I see it as an enhanced, better Autony, but just to clarify it’s not trying to be LK or Atom. I’ve used it to create some nice bass lines. Sometimes when I like something but really want to alter the midi, I simply record the midi into atom2/LK/etc… then tinker. It’s great at coming up with ideas, helping you generate new/different midi with the press of a button, you can always take the midi from there, record it somewhere and build on it. Cheers.

That is exactly what I do not understand. I see it as a neutered Riffer ☺️
I suspect that many here in the forum already have Riffer and there’s no need to export the generated midi first, it can be edited immediately.
And Riffler produces a lot of musical output which can also be edited on the spot.

What missing needs does Auto Bass actually serve? I, for one, cannot discern any, or at best very few, particularly organic or musical bass lines. I can't really detect a smoother workflow either, in case that is still being argued. There are some Bud apps that are really great, but for me Auto Bass is not one of them.

Anyway, I don't need to understand everything that is discussed here in the forum 🤷🏻‍♂️ so I will leave it at that...
Have fun creating folks!

raabje

@Polyphonix said:
at missing needs does Auto Bass actually serve? I, for one, cannot discern any, or at best very few, particularly organic or musical bass lines. I can't really detect a smoother workflow either, in case that is still being argued. There are some Bud apps that are really great, but for me Auto Bass is not one of them.

Yes I watched that clip eylvy posted and thought that was the same result as I have. Just some notes in the lower register. These are not bass lines in a musical way. The name of the app is Auto Bas and that is literally what it does, it draws notes in the lower register automatically. So the app does what is advertised. For me it is a bit to clinical, the app needs some work.

Ailerom

Will it react/accompany to incoming chord arrangements?

Gavinski

@Ailerom said:
Will it react/accompany to incoming chord arrangements?

No

GUB

@Polyphonix

I think you mean Riffler? You use Riffer and Riffler interchangeably in your post.

• edit: actually, it may be that you mean to reference both apps in your post, sorry.

I do love Riffler, and it does produce consistently musical results. On the oh, sometimes I find them to be kind of samey to each other within any given genre preset.

Polyphonix

@GUB said:
@Polyphonix

I think you mean Riffler? You use Riffer and Riffler interchangeably in your post.

• edit: actually, it may be that you mean to reference both apps in your post, sorry.

I do love Riffler, and it does produce consistently musical results. On the oh, sometimes I find them to be kind of samey to each other within any given genre preset.

Yes, I reference both apps. One for the full fledged generative midi sequencer that it is, the other for its enjoyable musical outputs compared to Auto Bass.

Polyphonix

@Ailerom said:
Will it react/accompany to incoming chord arrangements?

iBassist does!

day_empire

I am using it for 20bpm drone stuff.

cem_olcay

@Poppadocrock said:
@cem_olcay couple quick thoughts.

1. have no idea how difficult it would be to implement, but I really feel like adding in ratcheting to individual bass notes would take this to another level. You could set a ratchet range, 1-5 or whatever and then a percentage for the amount of chance it will be applied to the generated notes. Like ratchet or repeat in Stepbud, other buds… I feel like it would really spice up the bass lines. Adding in a few extra notes in there to move the bass lines along.

2. Also… adding doubles, triplets.

3. I do like the converge, descending, etc… options you can set to the bass line, but it would be dope to expand upon that. Maybe things like Octave, Fifths, Slap, Shuffle, Arp, a few other melody/bass line type shapes or flows. A few eluded to this…

4. This one is a lot to ask and not what the app was necessarily meant for, but…. if you could send midi in, like a chord, then have it play the notes of the chord in the shape of the generated bass line, that would be crazy. Maybe by playing the nearest note in the chord, or rotating through the notes in some way, heck I don’t know, but the idea of sending in chords and getting a sweet bass line out that has always intrigued me. This could also tie in with #3.

These are good suggestions, thanks. I’m working on improvements 👍