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FM 7 module for Tera Pro released

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  • Robin2Robin2

    @Carnbot said:
    I think FM7 is all about if you want to play around with DX7 carts and manipulate them rather than starting from scratch, both interesting uses of FM. But as FM is hard to design with, so I find it useful to be able to start off with a ready made patch and go from there, in which case FM7 works best for me...

    Thanks @Carnbot, makes sense.

  • wimwim

    @Robin2 said:

    @wim said:

    @Robin2 said:
    When you select an operator in FM7, how do you adjust the amount it modulates the other operators in the chain? I can’t work it out from the videos I’ve watched.

    The OP Level determines the amount it modulates the next operator in the chain.

    Ah, thanks @wim, appreciate it. Any opinions as to which offers the best option regarding creative FM possibilities? And does the lack of being able to design your own algorithm layout in FM7 detract from those possibilities (please excuse my limited knowledge of FM)?

    Anyone else got a view? @Samu, from your posts in this thread, you seem to have a in depth understanding of the benefits/restrictions of the various FM apps available? Which do you think gives the most possibilities purely regarding FM (i.e. ignoring the fact that FM7 sounds can be combined with the other synth engines in Tera Pro)?

    Sorry, I can't say. I don't have NFM.

  • Robin2Robin2

    @wim said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @wim said:

    @Robin2 said:
    When you select an operator in FM7, how do you adjust the amount it modulates the other operators in the chain? I can’t work it out from the videos I’ve watched.

    The OP Level determines the amount it modulates the next operator in the chain.

    Ah, thanks @wim, appreciate it. Any opinions as to which offers the best option regarding creative FM possibilities? And does the lack of being able to design your own algorithm layout in FM7 detract from those possibilities (please excuse my limited knowledge of FM)?

    Anyone else got a view? @Samu, from your posts in this thread, you seem to have a in depth understanding of the benefits/restrictions of the various FM apps available? Which do you think gives the most possibilities purely regarding FM (i.e. ignoring the fact that FM7 sounds can be combined with the other synth engines in Tera Pro)?

    Sorry, I can't say. I don't have NFM.

    No problem, thanks for your help regarding FM7 @wim.

  • HarlekinXHarlekinX

    I bought NFM today and I am really impressed.
    It delivers rich and diverse sounds and the UI is clear and 'simple'. Something you would expect on an hardware synth.

    I own KQ Dixie and the Tera Pro IAP. Both deliver the beloved DX7 recreation with all its iconic sounds. "Top Gun Bells anyone ?" But this also includes the shortcomings of this old system.

    I also own Nambu which is extremly powerful ... and complex. A little too complex for me. And its presets sound often too metallic for my taste.

    NFM sounds great and is on sale at the moment. Money well spend.

  • Robin2Robin2
    edited November 2023

    @HarlekinX said:
    I bought NFM today and I am really impressed.
    It delivers rich and diverse sounds and the UI is clear and 'simple'. Something you would expect on an hardware synth.

    I own KQ Dixie and the Tera Pro IAP. Both deliver the beloved DX7 recreation with all its iconic sounds. "Top Gun Bells anyone ?" But this also includes the shortcomings of this old system.

    I also own Nambu which is extremly powerful ... and complex. A little too complex for me. And its presets sound often too metallic for my taste.

    NFM sounds great and is on sale at the moment. Money well spend.

    Thanks @HarlekinX. I must admit, the complete freedom to connect operators any way you choose from scratch in NFM does appeal to me. I just wonder whether, in practical terms, that freedom has any real meaning: I’m sure there are going to be lots of preset algorithms in FM7; so that, along with the ability to turn operators on and off, probably covers the vast amount of possibilities?

    And yes, of course, there is Nambu which might also go on sale soon! Cheers.

  • RanDoM_rRayRanDoM_rRay

    Anyone else have crashes if trying to use FM7 presets in TeraVERSE?

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    Only one Brainz oscillator is available per layer too, I forgot the aux is part of the same module.
    I don't think "paste layer" is working for me.
    I agree with comments about the OSC modules having preset saving ability too, would be useful :)

  • BirdpieBirdpie

    @RanDoM_rRay said:
    Anyone else have crashes if trying to use FM7 presets in TeraVERSE?

    yep

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @Carnbot said:
    I think FM7 is all about if you want to play around with DX7 carts and manipulate them rather than starting from scratch, both interesting uses of FM. But as FM is hard to design with, so I find it useful to be able to start off with a ready made patch and go from there, in which case FM7 works best for me...

    Doesn’t FM7 have a randomizer as well? I agree though it’s great. I have all - or most - of the iOS FM synths and they all have their place for me. But then again I am a huge fan of FM synthesis overall. I don’t have NFM yet, it’s the only one. I was initially waiting for the update to come to Mela4 but wouldn’t mind buying to support an awesome dev anyway.

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @RanDoM_rRay said:
    Anyone else have crashes if trying to use FM7 presets in TeraVERSE?

    Teraverse doesn't have BrainZ and FM7 integrated, haven't had the time till yet. But I promise it will be there before the end of the year.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @VirSyn said:

    @RanDoM_rRay said:
    Anyone else have crashes if trying to use FM7 presets in TeraVERSE?

    Teraverse doesn't have BrainZ and FM7 integrated, haven't had the time till yet. But I promise it will be there before the end of the year.

    Wow, that sounds like fun 😃
    Did you have the time to look into the Teraverse AUv3 failing to load on slower iDevices?

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @rs2000 said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RanDoM_rRay said:
    Anyone else have crashes if trying to use FM7 presets in TeraVERSE?

    Teraverse doesn't have BrainZ and FM7 integrated, haven't had the time till yet. But I promise it will be there before the end of the year.

    Wow, that sounds like fun 😃
    Did you have the time to look into the Teraverse AUv3 failing to load on slower iDevices?

    Sorry, can't remember at the moment and can't find it in my list. Can you give me more info ?

  • Fear2StopFear2Stop

    I need to look at the videos on FM7… I’m tempted to get it while it’s on sale but then again I already have Omega, Dixie, and Nambu for my FM needs so I need to see how essential it is or if I should wait til next sale and check into Brainz

  • SamuSamu

    @Fear2Stop said:
    I need to look at the videos on FM7… I’m tempted to get it while it’s on sale but then again I already have Omega, Dixie, and Nambu for my FM needs so I need to see how essential it is or if I should wait til next sale and check into Brainz

    TeraPro's FM7 is a bit more straight forward when it comes to DX7 preset browsing compared to KQ Dixie.
    The same SysEX zip-files can be imported to TeraPro's FM7.

    I like that it's easy to use the built-in effects to spice up the DX7 sounds and even combine two completely different TeraPro presets to create nice layers etc. (Even on just one layer you can combine FM7, WaveTable, Brainz and other elements to create a massive patch).

    The FM7 sounds almost identical to KQ Dixie with just some minor volume/level differences.

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    @HotStrange said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I think FM7 is all about if you want to play around with DX7 carts and manipulate them rather than starting from scratch, both interesting uses of FM. But as FM is hard to design with, so I find it useful to be able to start off with a ready made patch and go from there, in which case FM7 works best for me...

    Doesn’t FM7 have a randomizer as well? I agree though it’s great. I have all - or most - of the iOS FM synths and they all have their place for me. But then again I am a huge fan of FM synthesis overall. I don’t have NFM yet, it’s the only one. I was initially waiting for the update to come to Mela4 but wouldn’t mind buying to support an awesome dev anyway.

    Yes it has a randomiser for both the patch/cart selection and the algorithm/operators.
    I like NFM but I don't really use it as much my other FM synths.

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited November 2023

    @VirSyn said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RanDoM_rRay said:
    Anyone else have crashes if trying to use FM7 presets in TeraVERSE?

    Teraverse doesn't have BrainZ and FM7 integrated, haven't had the time till yet. But I promise it will be there before the end of the year.

    Wow, that sounds like fun 😃
    Did you have the time to look into the Teraverse AUv3 failing to load on slower iDevices?

    Sorry, can't remember at the moment and can't find it in my list. Can you give me more info ?

    Here's my first mail from Dec 26, 2022:

    Hi!
    The Teraverse AUv3 won't load in Drambo or AUM. It will be busy loading forever but neither complete loading nor crash.
    iPad 6, iOS 13.7

    And here's my second mail from April 10th:

    I've talked to the Drambo developer and he said that Teraverse would apparently return its "ready state" too early during loading the AUv3 so the host will start communicating with it while Teraverse isn't completely instantiated yet.

    You've replied to both but no solution yet.
    Probably just a timing issue.

  • LuxthorLuxthor
    edited November 2023

    @Samu said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    I need to look at the videos on FM7… I’m tempted to get it while it’s on sale but then again I already have Omega, Dixie, and Nambu for my FM needs so I need to see how essential it is or if I should wait til next sale and check into Brainz

    TeraPro's FM7 is a bit more straight forward when it comes to DX7 preset browsing compared to KQ Dixie.
    The same SysEX zip-files can be imported to TeraPro's FM7.

    I like that it's easy to use the built-in effects to spice up the DX7 sounds and even combine two completely different TeraPro presets to create nice layers etc. (Even on just one layer you can combine FM7, WaveTable, Brainz and other elements to create a massive patch).

    The FM7 sounds almost identical to KQ Dixie with just some minor volume/level differences.

    What about eight unison voices with RND spread control? Is this possible on the DX7 or KQ Dixie?! This alone is an insane feature for all FM lovers out there. 🤩


    Edit: KQ Dixie support unison.

  • SamuSamu

    @Luxthor said:

    What about eight unison voices with RND spread control? Is this possible on the DX7 or KQ Dixie?! This alone is an insane feature for all FM lovers out there. 🤩

    KQ Dixie also gas a unison mode hiding in the settings and you can stack quite a few presets on top of each other :)

  • Fear2StopFear2Stop

    @Samu said:

    @Luxthor said:

    What about eight unison voices with RND spread control? Is this possible on the DX7 or KQ Dixie?! This alone is an insane feature for all FM lovers out there. 🤩

    KQ Dixie also gas a unison mode hiding in the settings and you can stack quite a few presets on top of each other :)

    OMG I never knew that!!!! You just made my day 😎

  • LuxthorLuxthor
    edited November 2023

    @Samu said:

    @Luxthor said:

    What about eight unison voices with RND spread control? Is this possible on the DX7 or KQ Dixie?! This alone is an insane feature for all FM lovers out there. 🤩

    KQ Dixie also gas a unison mode hiding in the settings and you can stack quite a few presets on top of each other :)

    Hats off for this one! 😅

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @rs2000 said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RanDoM_rRay said:
    Anyone else have crashes if trying to use FM7 presets in TeraVERSE?

    Teraverse doesn't have BrainZ and FM7 integrated, haven't had the time till yet. But I promise it will be there before the end of the year.

    Wow, that sounds like fun 😃
    Did you have the time to look into the Teraverse AUv3 failing to load on slower iDevices?

    Sorry, can't remember at the moment and can't find it in my list. Can you give me more info ?

    Here's my first mail from Dec 26, 2022:

    Hi!
    The Teraverse AUv3 won't load in Drambo or AUM. It will be busy loading forever but neither complete loading nor crash.
    iPad 6, iOS 13.7

    And here's my second mail from April 10th:

    I've talked to the Drambo developer and he said that Teraverse would apparently return its "ready state" too early during loading the AUv3 so the host will start communicating with it while Teraverse isn't completely instantiated yet.

    You've replied to both but no solution yet.
    Probably just a timing issue.

    Thanks for the refresh!
    Will have a look ( or two )

  • Robin2Robin2

    @Samu said:

    @Luxthor said:

    What about eight unison voices with RND spread control? Is this possible on the DX7 or KQ Dixie?! This alone is an insane feature for all FM lovers out there. 🤩

    KQ Dixie also gas a unison mode hiding in the settings and you can stack quite a few presets on top of each other :)

    Hey, @Samu, don’t know if you’re saw my earlier posts or not…I’d be really interested in your opinion on FM7 vs NFM purely for FM creative possibilities (i.e. ignoring the obvious advantage that FM7 can be also combined with the other sounds Tera Pro is capable of).

    FM7 doesn’t allow you to completely freely connect operators as you like but requires you to work with its existing algorithm layouts - does this equal more creative freedom with NFM or does it make little difference in real world use?

    Cheers.

  • SamuSamu

    @Robin2 said:

    FM7 doesn’t allow you to completely freely connect operators as you like but requires you to work with its existing algorithm layouts - does this equal more creative freedom with NFM or does it make little difference in real world use?

    It's quite easy to find an algorithm that has the connections needed and with FM if one connects too many operators in one chain or modulates one operator with too many sources it quickly becomes 'digital-noise'.

    Both Nambu an NFM allow more flexible operator to operator routings but considering that there's like a gazillion presets made for the DX7 and Tera Pro's FM7 has a preset-randomizer it's quicker to tap the randomizer until you hear something you like and tweak further.

    Most of the Time when I do FM from scratch I stick to algorithms with a couple 2OP combinations like Algorithm 6 on the DX7.

  • Robin2Robin2

    Great, that’s really useful to know. Thank you very much for your insight and opinion @Samu, i really appreciate you taking the time to post it. Cheers.

  • CarnbotCarnbot
    edited November 2023

    At this point I think FM7 probably has the easiest workflow for designing sounds with DX7 patches which exists so far, unless you are an expert with FM synthesis. Add that to two layers of FM7 per instance, and combining that also with the Brainz oscillator it provides a very rich FM sound design environment.

    • interesting also, I didn't realise that mutable Plaits module recently got a firmware update to include DX-7 compatibility and other features. In which case it might be possible for @VirSyn to update the Brainz module to incorporate the new firmware at some point. Then it would be possible to have 4 layers of DX-7 per Tera Pro instance :)
  • Robin2Robin2

    Thanks @Carnbot, I’m certainly no expert with FM! My only real experience is with the FM section in ButterSynth, but it has certainly inspired me to want more, hence why I’ve been asking for these opinions. Cheers.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange
    edited November 2023

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Samu said:

    @Luxthor said:

    What about eight unison voices with RND spread control? Is this possible on the DX7 or KQ Dixie?! This alone is an insane feature for all FM lovers out there. 🤩

    KQ Dixie also gas a unison mode hiding in the settings and you can stack quite a few presets on top of each other :)

    OMG I never knew that!!!! You just made my day 😎

    If you haven’t yet use this https://www.thisdx7cartdoesnotexist.com/

    It’s a random cart generator for KQ Dixie (and FM7) and gives some really cool results.

    Also if you don’t have the free Spectrum app, grab it. It’s a Brainz clone that is just fantastic.

    Honestly Tera can’t do much that you can’t already do with other synths. The selling point for me is having all that in one and being and to mix and make patches using a combo of all of that in one.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @Carnbot said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I think FM7 is all about if you want to play around with DX7 carts and manipulate them rather than starting from scratch, both interesting uses of FM. But as FM is hard to design with, so I find it useful to be able to start off with a ready made patch and go from there, in which case FM7 works best for me...

    Doesn’t FM7 have a randomizer as well? I agree though it’s great. I have all - or most - of the iOS FM synths and they all have their place for me. But then again I am a huge fan of FM synthesis overall. I don’t have NFM yet, it’s the only one. I was initially waiting for the update to come to Mela4 but wouldn’t mind buying to support an awesome dev anyway.

    Yes it has a randomiser for both the patch/cart selection and the algorithm/operators.
    I like NFM but I don't really use it as much my other FM synths.

    I absolutely love Mela4 but I haven’t gotten NFM yet. It’s coming as a module to Mela at some point so I’ve been waiting since I already have so many other FM options.

  • Fear2StopFear2Stop

    @HotStrange said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Samu said:

    @Luxthor said:

    What about eight unison voices with RND spread control? Is this possible on the DX7 or KQ Dixie?! This alone is an insane feature for all FM lovers out there. 🤩

    KQ Dixie also gas a unison mode hiding in the settings and you can stack quite a few presets on top of each other :)

    OMG I never knew that!!!! You just made my day 😎

    If you haven’t yet use this https://www.thisdx7cartdoesnotexist.com/

    It’s a random cart generator for KQ Dixie (and FM7) and gives some really cool results.

    Also if you don’t have the free Spectrum app, grab it. It’s a Brainz clone that is just fantastic.

    Honestly Tera can’t do much that you can’t already do with other synths. The selling point for me is having all that in one and being and to mix and make patches using a combo of all of that in one.

    I literally just got through generating a whole bunch of patches for KQ Dixie from there 😎

    I keep forgetting I have Spectrum… I need to get more involved with it.

    I ended up passing on the FM7 module as I have plenty of FM stuff already and trying to mainly get things I can’t really do elsewhere at this point. TP overall though , well, I’m really vibing with it so far. Still learning the ropes but making some interesting sounds with it

  • TelefunkyTelefunky

    @Luxthor said:
    What about eight unison voices with RND spread control? Is this possible on the DX7 or KQ Dixie?! This alone is an insane feature for all FM lovers out there. 🤩

    Back in the days this was called TX816, a rack to carry up to 8 TF7 modules (each a complete DX7 on a single circuit board) o:)
    https://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/tx816.php

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