ButterSynth Update Version 1.02

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dendy

@tja said:
@dendy

I am not sure if I did so something wrong, but wasn't it possible to have wave table or patch browser open and just select something to test it, and the selection window stood open and you could just try the next sound?

Right now, both selection windows close for me after selecting a sound.

So far as i remember it was working always this way ..

espiegel123

@Pxlhg said:

@espiegel123 said:
@dendy @Pxlhg : here is a screen recording showing the issue that I have switching presets. i am just tapping the next preset button. which presets cause trouble is variable. you'll see switching to one preset causes problems a few times and then works fine...and then at the end Accordyon crashes which rarely does.

It seems to only happen when there are two instances. I don't run into this on my iPhone XS . So it may be a memory issue.

I'll pass it on. Thanks Ed!

Thanks. Another observation. In Loopy Pro and in AUM, there is a huge CPU spike (usually maxing out the CPU) when a new preset loads. On my iPad , CPU will jump from around 20% or less to 98% or more for a few seconds before settling back down.

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dendy

@rapidfire said:

@Pxlhg said:
I disagree on the beginner thing, I think it's very user friendly compared to e.g say Synthmaster (1 and 2).

I did a cover of a Tangerine Dream track “it’s time to leave when everyone starts dancing”, I struggled to get the right sequencer/filter/gate effect I was looking for, especially in Synthmaster 2, then ButterSynth came along and I tried that….success. Here is my m4a cover track, the main bass and sequencer is the mighty BS

fantastic piece of work, thanks for sharing .. sound is really big !

dendy

@espiegel123 said:
@dendy @Pxlhg : here is a screen recording showing the issue that I have switching presets. i am just tapping the next preset button. which presets cause trouble is variable. you'll see switching to one preset causes problems a few times and then works fine...and then at the end Accordyon crashes which rarely does.

It seems to only happen when there are two instances. I don't run into this on my iPhone XS . So it may be a memory issue.

can you try same in other host ? Is it crashing that way only in Loopy ?

I tried NS, Cubasis, Logic - no crash whatsovere even when switching presets super fast during playback.

espiegel123

@dendy:I said earlier that I am not seeing it in AUM and also that I see it in the iPad ) and not iPhone XS

dendy

@espiegel123 said:
@dendy:I said earlier that I am not seeing it in AUM and also that I see it in the iPad

ah sorry didn’t noticed rhat, thanks

Luxthor

Little freshness in ButterSynth's look!

dendy

Luxtor: Cool, love blue one !! Forwarded it to Arto ))

Luxthor

@dendy said:
Luxtor: Cool, love blue one !! Forwarded it to Arto ))

The dark side should look like:

PDK

@Luxthor I love all those colour choices. Music to my eyes… fingers crossed we can see them implemented 👍🏻🍻

Luxthor

@PDK said:
@Luxthor I love all those colour choices. Music to my eyes… fingers crossed we can see them implemented 👍🏻🍻

Thanks PDK; my intention was to shift this thread in a colorful direction.

rapidfire

@dendy said:

@rapidfire said:

@Pxlhg said:
I disagree on the beginner thing, I think it's very user friendly compared to e.g say Synthmaster (1 and 2).

I did a cover of a Tangerine Dream track “it’s time to leave when everyone starts dancing”, I struggled to get the right sequencer/filter/gate effect I was looking for, especially in Synthmaster 2, then ButterSynth came along and I tried that….success. Here is my m4a cover track, the main bass and sequencer is the mighty BS

fantastic piece of work, thanks for sharing .. sound is really big !

Thank you ☺️

hghon

@Luxthor said:
Little freshness in ButterSynth's look!

Oooh that middle grey theme is doing things to me 😄

Pxlhg

@Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
Luxtor: Cool, love blue one !! Forwarded it to Arto ))

The dark side should look like:

This is real nice, but I don't like the grunge map, a bit more subtle might do it. Now, it's too visible imo.

Luxthor

@Pxlhg said:

@Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
Luxtor: Cool, love blue one !! Forwarded it to Arto ))

The dark side should look like:

This is real nice, but I don't like the grunge map, a bit more subtle might do it. Now, it's too visible imo.

No problemos!

Pxlhg

@Luxthor said:

@Pxlhg said:

@Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
Luxtor: Cool, love blue one !! Forwarded it to Arto ))

The dark side should look like:

This is real nice, but I don't like the grunge map, a bit more subtle might do it. Now, it's too visible imo.

No problemos!

You removed it all? I mean the idea is good just too visible. Damn, it's a real sexy look!😁

Luxthor

@Pxlhg said:

@Luxthor said:

@Pxlhg said:

@Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
Luxtor: Cool, love blue one !! Forwarded it to Arto ))

The dark side should look like:

This is real nice, but I don't like the grunge map, a bit more subtle might do it. Now, it's too visible imo.

No problemos!

You removed it all? I mean the idea is good just too visible. Damn, it's a real sexy look!😁

Drag-n-droped the wrong jpg, sorry!
I edited the post at the same time you asked. You are too quick! 😝

Edward_Alexander

@dendy said:

@Edward_Alexander said:
I was thinking he should have some BASIC factory presets, for people to have basic starting points to start making their own sounds. You know, like a Bass, Key, Pluck, Lead, Pad, Brass? Of course it’s easy to make these ourselves from the “INIT” starting point, but having a handful of basic patches to start with comes in handy sometimes.

I can see here a dillema for sound designer - it is really hard to put into bank something which one can do literally in 5 - 10 second half sleeping at 3am, half drunk with still smoking joint in mount :-D :-D

One then feels ashamed like "man, this is too simple, everybody can do this in no time, why to save it as patch ???" :-D :-D :-D

If you ask me, i am always creating presets which i personally would immediately use in my music without hesitation, without any advanced re-tweaking. Just finished sound which i see as something with real use case in music. I really doesn't see nothing wrong on using even complex presets (made by somebody else) in own music... even if they are recognisable .. you have always plethora of room to use them in very creative way. It's same like whole sampling business - lot of people sample from official records, and often you can even recognise which record is that, yet if samples are used creatively in context of whole track, there is absolutely nothing wrong about that.

Take complex preset .. . tweak 2-3 parameters ... delete some modulation .. pass it through your own FX chain .. and boom. You have something completely new.

It may sound a bit controversial, but if somebody can't be creative with complex patches, simple patches won't help too.

Of course. That's just my opinion. I may be completely wrong, i have not certificate for truth. Just my five cents.

I don’t know. I’m gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Creativity, or lack thereof, isn’t what we’re talking about here. At least I wasn’t. I’m talking about a product , and what it comes with, and what I thought it should have come with.

I’m picturing you, as an art teacher, handing some paint, a few different brushes, and a canvas with the Mona Lisa already painted on it to his students. (Student raises hand “is this part of the test?”)

“If you ask me, i am always creating presets which i personally would immediately use in my music”

See, not everyone makes the same kind of music as you.

I might be in the minority (in this thread), but I’d rather not work from starting with a complex patch made by someone else, “tweak 2-3 parameters, etc,” to get to the sound I want. Do I know how to do all that? Sure, this ain’t rocket science. Do I want to? Nah, not really… I’d rather start from the ground up, or at least a more subtle starting point, and craft my own sounds, being that ButterSynth and all of its amazing tools and capabilities are right there and available. Isn’t that part of its selling point?

I bought ButterSynth right when it came out because it has the dual Wavetable oscillators, the FM synthesis, the granular and sample based engines, and all of the modulation and effect capabilities, and I’m fine with just the INIT preset. (Or the more subtle patches made by @gregsmith, which I think are exactly what the “factory presets” should sound like.)

I don’t really consider myself a rookie at sound design either, though I’m more of a musician over a sound designer. See, a musician can be creative with a rubber band and a block of wood. It’s why it doesn’t matter if it’s a $200 guitar, or a $5000 guitar, a musician can be “creative” and make music with either one. But I’m speaking for potential customers that might be looking for a synth that has intuitive controls that they can use to create their sounds with. I just thought it might have come with a set of “factory presets” (like Greg’s) that were more subtle starting points for crafting one’s own sounds.

gregsmith

@Luxthor said:

@Pxlhg said:

@Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
Luxtor: Cool, love blue one !! Forwarded it to Arto ))

The dark side should look like:

This is real nice, but I don't like the grunge map, a bit more subtle might do it. Now, it's too visible imo.

No problemos!

Really like this one. Would love to see some black dials 😉😉

Edward_Alexander

@Pxlhg said:

@Luxthor said:

@Pxlhg said:

@Edward_Alexander said:
Yeah not a big deal, but I guess I missed those that were added in “1.01”.

To be honest, (as I’m going through these right now in the latest update) a lot of these are already overly complex with all kinds of modulations and such. These are exactly like all of the other “artist” presets IMO.

Don’t get me wrong, I love all the presets, and love hearing what people have dialed in with this amazing synth, but (again, in my opinion) these are far from what I had in mind for “factory presets”.

I mean, I think they just put a bunch of patches in a folder (again, really nice sounds!) and called it the “Butter\Factory preset folder”

I was thinking he should have some BASIC factory presets, for people to have basic starting points to start making their own sounds. You know, like a Bass, Key, Pluck, Lead, Pad, Brass? Of course it’s easy to make these ourselves from the “INIT” starting point, but having a handful of basic patches to start with comes in handy sometimes.

I see, yeah it's a bit like @dendy is saying. We were both helping out with a few of the factory ones. Like, the Clarinot is mine and I think it's as simple as it can get.
I do get your point.😊
Greg did a bunch with simplicity in mind as mentioned above (Recollection folder). Good luck anyhow.

Am I missing something? There are basic keyword groupings in BS. Or Edward really means basic basics, sounds that no one will ever use. I’m not sure that BS is a good option for sound design beginners.

Well there aren't many of the basic sounds like a pure piano or a trumpet which actually could be if someone just took the time to do them, it wont be me - I'm abstract😂 Also those keywords aren't very well implemented, I'm partly to blame for that as I find it boring and hard to fit a sound in to various categories. I disagree on the beginner thing, I think it's very user friendly compared to e.g say Synthmaster (1 and 2).

Yeah I disagree with the beginner thing as well. IMO, ButterSynth is a fantastic option for beginner and experienced sound designers alike. It’s user friendly, and everything is laid out and easy to find.

And thank you for understanding my point.

Luxthor

@Edward_Alexander said:

@Pxlhg said:

@Luxthor said:

@Pxlhg said:

@Edward_Alexander said:
Yeah not a big deal, but I guess I missed those that were added in “1.01”.

To be honest, (as I’m going through these right now in the latest update) a lot of these are already overly complex with all kinds of modulations and such. These are exactly like all of the other “artist” presets IMO.

Don’t get me wrong, I love all the presets, and love hearing what people have dialed in with this amazing synth, but (again, in my opinion) these are far from what I had in mind for “factory presets”.

I mean, I think they just put a bunch of patches in a folder (again, really nice sounds!) and called it the “Butter\Factory preset folder”

I was thinking he should have some BASIC factory presets, for people to have basic starting points to start making their own sounds. You know, like a Bass, Key, Pluck, Lead, Pad, Brass? Of course it’s easy to make these ourselves from the “INIT” starting point, but having a handful of basic patches to start with comes in handy sometimes.

I see, yeah it's a bit like @dendy is saying. We were both helping out with a few of the factory ones. Like, the Clarinot is mine and I think it's as simple as it can get.
I do get your point.😊
Greg did a bunch with simplicity in mind as mentioned above (Recollection folder). Good luck anyhow.

Am I missing something? There are basic keyword groupings in BS. Or Edward really means basic basics, sounds that no one will ever use. I’m not sure that BS is a good option for sound design beginners.

Well there aren't many of the basic sounds like a pure piano or a trumpet which actually could be if someone just took the time to do them, it wont be me - I'm abstract😂 Also those keywords aren't very well implemented, I'm partly to blame for that as I find it boring and hard to fit a sound in to various categories. I disagree on the beginner thing, I think it's very user friendly compared to e.g say Synthmaster (1 and 2).

Yeah I disagree with the beginner thing as well. IMO, ButterSynth is a fantastic option for beginner and experienced sound designers alike. It’s user friendly, and everything is laid out and easy to find.

And thank you for understanding my point.

I respect your and @Pxlhg's opinions; personally, I will never give BS to a beginner. Because it is a super synth. They need something simple: to know the basics, master all functions, and concentrate on the character and nuances of the sound.

Butter Synth is a powerful and easy-to-master synth. I'll give you that! 😝

espiegel123

If @gregsmith were ok with it, I think they would be great if included as a set that comes with ButterSynth.

IMO, the presets that come with ButterSynth are a pretty reasonable set of presets. I can see a case for wanting a set of basics included but find it hard to see what is currently included as being unreasonable.

Luxthor

@gregsmith said:
Really like this one. Would love to see some black dials 😉😉

Just for you, my friend, Black Mamba! 😎

rapidfire

@Luxthor said:

@gregsmith said:
Really like this one. Would love to see some black dials 😉😉

I really like this one two👌

gregsmith

@Luxthor said:

@gregsmith said:
Really like this one. Would love to see some black dials 😉😉

Just for you, my friend, Black Mamba! 😎

Sexy! 😋

These are reminding me of the Flowtones skins. I love that feature.

gregsmith

@espiegel123 said:
If @gregsmith were ok with it, I think they would be great if included as a set that comes with ButterSynth.

IMO, the presets that come with ButterSynth are a pretty reasonable set of presets. I can see a case for wanting a set of basics included but find it hard to see what is currently included as being unreasonable.

They’re in the Recollection folder in the latest release

RanDoM_rRay

@Luxthor awesome colorings! Makes me want to use BS more, and yes maybe im a simple minded child, but it looks better with any of those designs

espiegel123

@gregsmith said:

@espiegel123 said:
If @gregsmith were ok with it, I think they would be great if included as a set that comes with ButterSynth.

IMO, the presets that come with ButterSynth are a pretty reasonable set of presets. I can see a case for wanting a set of basics included but find it hard to see what is currently included as being unreasonable.

They’re in the Recollection folder in the latest release

So, "problem" solved!