ButterSynth Update Version 1.02

rapidfire

BS crashing in stand-alone mode

Has any one else had problems with BS crashing whilst making presets, memory usage was low, crash usually happens when I tap the OSC after adjusting the Matrix!

Luxthor

@dendy said:
only bad thing on aging is deterioration of hearing.. some are more lucky, some less… in my 46 years, i don’t hear anything above approx 9 khz 😔

i just regret indidn’t take more care about my hearing when i was younger (less loud music listening on headphones), now it’s irreversible.

OMG @dendy, I sympathize with you. But don’t worry yet; you are still capable of making masterpieces and staying in the business. Look at that chart, you are still in a safe zone. 😅

dendy

yˇ> @Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
only bad thing on aging is deterioration of hearing.. some are more lucky, some less… in my 46 years, i don’t hear anything above approx 9 khz 😔

i just regret indidn’t take more care about my hearing when i was younger (less loud music listening on headphones), now it’s irreversible.

OMG @dendy, I sympathize with you. But don’t worry yet; you are still capable of making masterpieces and staying in the business. Look at that chart, you are still in a safe zone. 😅

doesn't look too optimistic, it's close lol

Luxthor

@dendy said:
yˇ> @Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
only bad thing on aging is deterioration of hearing.. some are more lucky, some less… in my 46 years, i don’t hear anything above approx 9 khz 😔

i just regret indidn’t take more care about my hearing when i was younger (less loud music listening on headphones), now it’s irreversible.

OMG @dendy, I sympathize with you. But don’t worry yet; you are still capable of making masterpieces and staying in the business. Look at that chart, you are still in a safe zone. 😅

doesn't look too optimistic, it's close lol

That green cloud is all you need. It’s more than optimistic. Normal, healthy ears need 20 dB for the 9 kHz frequency to be even noticeable.

dendy

@Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
yˇ> @Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
only bad thing on aging is deterioration of hearing.. some are more lucky, some less… in my 46 years, i don’t hear anything above approx 9 khz 😔

i just regret indidn’t take more care about my hearing when i was younger (less loud music listening on headphones), now it’s irreversible.

OMG @dendy, I sympathize with you. But don’t worry yet; you are still capable of making masterpieces and staying in the business. Look at that chart, you are still in a safe zone. 😅

doesn't look too optimistic, it's close lol

That green cloud is all you need. It’s more than optimistic. Normal, healthy ears need 20 dB for the 9 kHz frequency to be even noticeable.

problem is it not that until 9-10khz it's perfect and only from there shar 96dB cut down.. it starts fade slowly much sooner ... i noticed on spectrum analyser i tend to put hihats much louder in my music .. after i realized that, i always check my master using spectrum analyser.. so yeah.. it's not showstoper.. It's basically what i am saying my entire life - when you are doing final mix / mastering, absolutely do not believe your ears - use your knowledge + eyes on spectral analyser :-) Always fine tune thins how they SHOULD BE fine tuned, not what you hear .. Ears can be easily fooled, eye + brain never

rapidfire

@dendy said:

@Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
yˇ> @Luxthor said:

@dendy said:
only bad thing on aging is deterioration of hearing.. some are more lucky, some less… in my 46 years, i don’t hear anything above approx 9 khz 😔

i just regret indidn’t take more care about my hearing when i was younger (less loud music listening on headphones), now it’s irreversible.

OMG @dendy, I sympathize with you. But don’t worry yet; you are still capable of making masterpieces and staying in the business. Look at that chart, you are still in a safe zone. 😅

doesn't look too optimistic, it's close lol

That green cloud is all you need. It’s more than optimistic. Normal, healthy ears need 20 dB for the 9 kHz frequency to be even noticeable.

problem is it not that until 9-10khz it's perfect and only from there shar 96dB cut down.. it starts fade slowly much sooner ... i noticed on spectrum analyser i tend to put hihats much louder in my music .. after i realized that, i always check my master using spectrum analyser.. so yeah.. it's not showstoper.. It's basically what i am saying my entire life - when you are doing final mix / mastering, absolutely do not believe your ears - use your knowledge + eyes on spectral analyser :-) Always fine tune thins how they SHOULD BE fine tuned, not what you hear .. Ears can be easily fooled, eye + brain never

This is true, 6 years ago I had a hearing test thinking that maybe my left ear was slightly defective, but I was shocked to find out both ears were severely affected! There are many who don’t realise they have hearing loss, also having a constant hiss 24/7 as a result of hearing loss is another issue. Spectrum analyser- good idea, I will try that

rapidfire

@dendy said:

@McD said:

@dendy said:
only bad thing on aging is deterioration of ears.. some are more lucky, some less… in my 46 years, i don’t hear anything above approx 9 khz 😔

i just regret indidn’t take more care when inwas younger (less loud music listening on headphones), now it’s irreversible.

That’s just the topmost octave of the overtone series. Frequencies that no electric guitar amp can produce due to the fact that the amps only carry 10-12 inch speaker drivers and have no tweeters for that octave.

Now Beethoven had sever hearing loss and had to place his head on the piano to get much and he wrote that terrible 9th Symphony with the choir belting out “Ode to Joy”. I think he also played in loud bar bands as a youth or maybe had too many power tools in his workshop.

it’s very imporant spectrum in electronic music (hihats, and part of character of distorted and heavily FM modulated sounds) - when inuse equaliser, in top spectrum i basically set everything just based on my knowlwdge and spectral analyser :-))))

Sometimes i am just sad that i am really missimg significant part of music i am listening, but, well, i need just accept it ..

@dendy said:
only bad thing on aging is deterioration of hearing.. some are more lucky, some less… in my 46 years, i don’t hear anything above approx 9 khz 😔

i just regret indidn’t take more care about my hearing when i was younger (less loud music listening on headphones), now it’s irreversible.

The World Health Organization estimates that in addition to the 430million adults globally already experiencing a disabling level of hearing loss, around 1.1billion more young people are at risk of noise-induced hearing loss, meaning pretty much all of us could do with protecting our hearing health a little bit more.
“Hearing loss can have a significant impact on a person’s quality of life, affecting their ability to communicate, socialise, and perform daily tasks.
“Early intervention can often improve outcomes and help prevent further deterioration of hearing.”

We were always told by our elders “you’ll go deaf listening to loud music” we didn’t listen to them and just laughed at them but…… now regret our reluctance in taking their advice.
In my case - I bet ButterSynth sounds better than I can ever imagine due to my loss of hearing high frequencies 🙁

dendy

@rapidfire said:
also having a constant hiss 24/7 as a result of hearing loss is another issue.

Yeah i have this too but learned to ignore it most of time.

I have also “visual snow” but that is more like fun rhan something annoying - my entire life i thought this is normal thing what everybody see, just recently learned it is “diagnosis” 🤣🤣🤣

bet ButterSynth sounds better than I can ever imagine due to my loss of hearing high frequencies

it’s not that bad.. vast majority of synth sounds are far bellow 6-8khz, this hearing loss is really just about hihats, cymbals - rest is untouched more or less …

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rapidfire

@dendy said:

@rapidfire said:
also having a constant hiss 24/7 as a result of hearing loss is another issue.

Yeah i have this too but learned to ignore it most of time.

I have also “visual snow” but that is more like fun rhan something annoying - my entire life i thought this is normal thing what everybody see, just recently learned it is “diagnosis” 🤣🤣🤣

bet ButterSynth sounds better than I can ever imagine due to my loss of hearing high frequencies

it’s not that bad.. vast majority of synth sounds are far bellow 6-8khz, this hearing loss is really just about hihats, cymbals - rest is untouched more or less …

I guess you’re right, I will now 🤐 subject closed

rapidfire

@dendy said:

I have also “visual snow” but that is more like fun rhan something annoying - my entire life i thought this is normal thing what everybody see, just recently learned it is “diagnosis” 🤣🤣🤣

Just been reading about this condition, for some it can be debilitating, I hope it’s something that doesn’t affect your quality of life too much as you did mentioned “it’s more fun than something annoying”

dendy

@rapidfire said:

@dendy said:

I have also “visual snow” but that is more like fun rhan something annoying - my entire life i thought this is normal thing what everybody see, just recently learned it is “diagnosis” 🤣🤣🤣

Just been reading about this condition, for some it can be debilitating, I hope it’s something that doesn’t affect your quality of life too much as you did mentioned “it’s more fun than something annoying”

i found it funny and interesting that brain produces it :-) definitely not debilitating, not even a little .. it’s nice to have some sort of “light” even in absolute darkness lol 🤣

rapidfire

Is there any news concerning a new v1.03 update for BS, I really miss not having Midi Learn, especially as some of my completed Cubasis 3 projects use BS along with Midi Learn Filter and Env parameters.

rapidfire

I will answer this myself. The v1.0.3 update was successful in fixing the problems that I was aware of and I can now once again explore its sonic potential without any issues 👌

hghon

I’m sadly still getting constant crashes

gregsmith

@hghon said:
I’m sadly still getting constant crashes

In which host?

Nathi94

I’m not sure if this is a bug or normal behavior but I noticed that the sound is sometimes not equal in the left and right channels (maybe not the right way to describe it). I’ve noticed that while making kicks or percussive sounds. Shorter decay times or using the lp filters resulting that the klick that should be in the center gets to one of the channels even though I did not touched the pan parameter. I was very confused and thought I have some hearing issues but I do not have such behavior on other synths and it is viewable on the AUM and GonioMeter meter.
Did anyone else notice this?

Fear2Stop

@Nathi94 said:
I’m not sure if this is a bug or normal behavior but I noticed that the sound is sometimes not equal in the left and right channels (maybe not the right way to describe it). I’ve noticed that while making kicks or percussive sounds. Shorter decay times or using the lp filters resulting that the klick that should be in the center gets to one of the channels even though I did not touched the pan parameter. I was very confused and thought I have some hearing issues but I do not have such behavior on other synths and it is viewable on the AUM and GonioMeter meter.
Did anyone else notice this?

Yes… I noticed it a few times with the init sound even!

Nathi94

@Fear2Stop said:

@Nathi94 said:
I’m not sure if this is a bug or normal behavior but I noticed that the sound is sometimes not equal in the left and right channels (maybe not the right way to describe it). I’ve noticed that while making kicks or percussive sounds. Shorter decay times or using the lp filters resulting that the klick that should be in the center gets to one of the channels even though I did not touched the pan parameter. I was very confused and thought I have some hearing issues but I do not have such behavior on other synths and it is viewable on the AUM and GonioMeter meter.
Did anyone else notice this?

Yes… I noticed it a few times with the init sound even!

Yep there it is really noticeable and it started to irritate me.

rapidfire

@gregsmith said:

@hghon said:
I’m sadly still getting constant crashes

In which host?

You’re probably not asking me but I use Cubasis 3 with no issues

gregsmith

@rapidfire said:

@gregsmith said:

@hghon said:
I’m sadly still getting constant crashes

In which host?

You’re probably not asking me but I use Cubasis 3 with no issues

That’s good. I was wondering what host @hghon is using to get constant crashes as the dev will definitely want to hear about that.

gregsmith

@Nathi94 said:
I’m not sure if this is a bug or normal behavior but I noticed that the sound is sometimes not equal in the left and right channels (maybe not the right way to describe it). I’ve noticed that while making kicks or percussive sounds. Shorter decay times or using the lp filters resulting that the klick that should be in the center gets to one of the channels even though I did not touched the pan parameter. I was very confused and thought I have some hearing issues but I do not have such behavior on other synths and it is viewable on the AUM and GonioMeter meter.
Did anyone else notice this?

I’ll report this back to the dev. Not something I’ve noticed but I’m probably not listening for it, or it might have been introduced in a recent update.

Nathi94

@gregsmith said:

@Nathi94 said:
I’m not sure if this is a bug or normal behavior but I noticed that the sound is sometimes not equal in the left and right channels (maybe not the right way to describe it). I’ve noticed that while making kicks or percussive sounds. Shorter decay times or using the lp filters resulting that the klick that should be in the center gets to one of the channels even though I did not touched the pan parameter. I was very confused and thought I have some hearing issues but I do not have such behavior on other synths and it is viewable on the AUM and GonioMeter meter.
Did anyone else notice this?

I’ll report this back to the dev. Not something I’ve noticed but I’m probably not listening for it, or it might have been introduced in a recent update.

Thx
I’ve noticed it before the recent update but wasn’t sure if my ears are tricking me until i made the meter test.

gregsmith

@Nathi94 said:

@gregsmith said:

@Nathi94 said:
I’m not sure if this is a bug or normal behavior but I noticed that the sound is sometimes not equal in the left and right channels (maybe not the right way to describe it). I’ve noticed that while making kicks or percussive sounds. Shorter decay times or using the lp filters resulting that the klick that should be in the center gets to one of the channels even though I did not touched the pan parameter. I was very confused and thought I have some hearing issues but I do not have such behavior on other synths and it is viewable on the AUM and GonioMeter meter.
Did anyone else notice this?

I’ll report this back to the dev. Not something I’ve noticed but I’m probably not listening for it, or it might have been introduced in a recent update.

Thx
I’ve noticed it before the recent update but wasn’t sure if my ears are tricking me until i made the meter test.

https://youtube.com/shorts/rpnHX4R0B9w?feature=shared

I did this super unscientific test in AUM. Loaded up ButterSynth with the INIT patch and hammered the keyboard with my thumbs as fast as I could.

I can see the left channel or right channel occasionally not jump at the same time. Is this what you’re referring to?

Edit: to see the aum meter at the top I had to open in the YouTube app. Stupid YouTube shorts!

Nathi94

@gregsmith said:

@Nathi94 said:

@gregsmith said:

@Nathi94 said:
I’m not sure if this is a bug or normal behavior but I noticed that the sound is sometimes not equal in the left and right channels (maybe not the right way to describe it). I’ve noticed that while making kicks or percussive sounds. Shorter decay times or using the lp filters resulting that the klick that should be in the center gets to one of the channels even though I did not touched the pan parameter. I was very confused and thought I have some hearing issues but I do not have such behavior on other synths and it is viewable on the AUM and GonioMeter meter.
Did anyone else notice this?

I’ll report this back to the dev. Not something I’ve noticed but I’m probably not listening for it, or it might have been introduced in a recent update.

Thx
I’ve noticed it before the recent update but wasn’t sure if my ears are tricking me until i made the meter test.

https://youtube.com/shorts/rpnHX4R0B9w?feature=shared

I did this super unscientific test in AUM. Loaded up ButterSynth with the INIT patch and hammered the keyboard with my thumbs as fast as I could.

I can see the left channel or right channel occasionally not jump at the same time. Is this what you’re referring to?

Edit: to see the aum meter at the top I had to open in the YouTube app. Stupid YouTube shorts!

Yea it is very subtle to see in the AUM meter. I hear it mostly in the low end and on the transients. I did a test with Buttersynth and Drambo (before I tested other synths too with the same results), both simple one sine osc, filter open patches. And BS seems to drift in the stereo field while Drambo stays in the middle. Only if the note is held longer BS gets slowly back in the middle.
I used TB’s free GONIOMETER in the screenshots which makes it clearer to see.

dendy

@Nathi94 said:
Yea it is very subtle to see in the AUM meter. I hear it mostly in the low end and on the transients. I did a test with Buttersynth and Drambo (before I tested other synths too with the same results), both simple one sine osc, filter open patches. And BS seems to drift in the stereo field while Drambo stays in the middle. Only if the note is held longer BS gets slowly back in the middle.
I used TB’s free GONIOMETER in the screenshots which makes it clearer to see.

confirming, this is some problem of oscillators, it starts with left pan and then retirns to center ...

Nathi94

The new update seems to has fixed the problem with the oscillators
@gregsmith @dendy @Kirnu

gregsmith

@Nathi94 said:
The new update seems to has fixed the problem with the oscillators
@gregsmith @dendy @Kirnu

Good to hear 👍