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Has the vibe of this forum worsened, and - if so - what can we do to improve it?

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  • edited December 2023

    I think the old girl is still doing well (what? you didn't know that online communities were feminine like ships and cars and sausage rolls?), but like all life, she won't last forever, thus enjoy while able etc.

  • edited December 2023

    i wasn’t much active in recent weeks but just because i was hardcore overloded in work … i feel same vibe when i read discussions, same good people and same very few trolls .. in general no change, i am perfectly ok with current stage … still great place to hang out in free time and discuss first class world problems like how good sounds filter or what “crucial” feature is missing in DAW X 🤣

    tldr; love you (almost) all guys/girls, lovely community in general 😂

  • @gusgranite said:
    Right. Sorry to spam the forum but I was curious how many zero comment threads there were. I just went through the most recent 100 pages and commented on what I could.

    Have a nice day!

    @Gavinski said:
    Exactly... Tons, and many from very regular posters

    I’m genuinely not sure whether that was just an elaborate way of taking the piss out of my post or a way of trying to be sincerely inclusive @gusgranite?

    @Gavinski, this thread of yours asks about the vibe of this forum. All i have done is give you an impression of it as a newcomer here, that’s all.

  • New threads are now on page 7. gusgranite is on pages 1-6. My vibe is irritated.

  • @abf said:
    New threads are now on page 7. gusgranite is on pages 1-6. My vibe is irritated.

    Put some cream on it otherwise you’ll have sore misgivings.

  • @offbrands said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @McD said:
    I’ll just comment on “How to Improve” the forum. Give more than you take:

    1. Give solid answers to questions you have expertise in.
    2. Support anyone with the guts to share their work. Error on the side of being a fan. There’s a human waiting to be told they have meaning and value… honor that request and save the “brutal honesty” for situations where it’s not going to damage someone.
    3. If someone causes you anger… reach out in a DM first before forcing back and creating drama over what may be a misunderstanding and often was.

    All three of these behaviors represent civil discourse. Be a person you’d respect if you met them or got their input.
    It’s really a way of being a loving human. Something most of us forget on a forum where we want to be right above all.
    Listening and asking for more context seems to be the best way to avoid arguments.

    👏💯 Well said mate. This is the best advice.

    As basically a neutral third party who only recently started posting here. I have no horse in this race. But the above post is the best way forward. First steps kind of start.

    Another age old rule also applies. If you ain’t got nothing nice to say, don’t say nothin.

    Text based communication can come off oddly as well. Make sure to state positives with signs of approval and appreciation in an almost overly nice way. That feels good to read!

    Personally, my onboarding experience has been nice! I’ve chatted with a few of you these last few weeks and all and it’s been really cool.

    A common thing I see (at all forums everywhere) “I already know this or this has been shared” when someone posts or shares anything. It would be prudent for the comments from “I know” be less dismissive. Assume the broader internet doesn’t know your lived life experience and let others share without that “I know” bull.

    That kind of attitude is always not worth typing nor reading and leads to people not wanting to share. I was a lurker on here for a couple years before I even signed up for an account. Then, after getting set up on the account, another 6 months before I started commenting regularly recently, because of not wanting to say something that’s been said.

    It can be vulnerable to ask people for advice or thoughts or share things you yourself felt was valuable. Especially online where people can hide behind pseudonyms and not have to be as courteous.

    I don’t know! Either way the people I’ve engaged with have been cool and this forum is appreciated. Often times people who share that “people, places, things” change don’t typically self-reflect and with the many variables in all of our lives that it’s have no way of knowing if their feelings are a projection. Even if people in a majority agree.

    Being more inclusive and accepting is a way forward.

    Side note; When posting new information or new questions. Maybe a checkbox for new posts to have been searched for in earnest. Like a checkbox to state “did you try finding a thread with the above information you’re wanting to start a thread on?” - I’m aware people can just click and not read but a large amount of people will stop and do so.

    Anyways. Cheers!

    Sounds legit 🔥

  • @Robin2 said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Right. Sorry to spam the forum but I was curious how many zero comment threads there were. I just went through the most recent 100 pages and commented on what I could.

    Have a nice day!

    @Gavinski said:
    Exactly... Tons, and many from very regular posters

    I’m genuinely not sure whether that was just an elaborate way of taking the piss out of my post or a way of trying to be sincerely inclusive @gusgranite?

    @Gavinski, this thread of yours asks about the vibe of this forum. All i have done is give you an impression of it as a newcomer here, that’s all.

    Definitely no intention to mock in any way!

    It was just a daft goodwill gesture to not leave any threads of recent months lingering without any comments.

    I’m going to keep more of an eye out for ignored threads going forward but no more big blasts… 🙂

  • @Robin2 said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Right. Sorry to spam the forum but I was curious how many zero comment threads there were. I just went through the most recent 100 pages and commented on what I could.

    Have a nice day!

    @Gavinski said:
    Exactly... Tons, and many from very regular posters

    I’m genuinely not sure whether that was just an elaborate way of taking the piss out of my post or a way of trying to be sincerely inclusive @gusgranite?

    @Gavinski, this thread of yours asks about the vibe of this forum. All i have done is give you an impression of it as a newcomer here, that’s all.

    Oh yeah, I don’t mind at all! I just genuinely don’t agree, at least not as far as my own attitude goes. I genuinely think you just got unlucky with your posts being ignored, but I definitely don’t have any problem with you stating that you felt ignored as a new member, I think it is useful for people to hear that.

  • @gusgranite said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Right. Sorry to spam the forum but I was curious how many zero comment threads there were. I just went through the most recent 100 pages and commented on what I could.

    Have a nice day!

    @Gavinski said:
    Exactly... Tons, and many from very regular posters

    I’m genuinely not sure whether that was just an elaborate way of taking the piss out of my post or a way of trying to be sincerely inclusive @gusgranite?

    @Gavinski, this thread of yours asks about the vibe of this forum. All i have done is give you an impression of it as a newcomer here, that’s all.

    Definitely no intention to mock in any way!

    It was just a daft goodwill gesture to not leave any threads of recent months lingering without any comments.

    I’m going to keep more of an eye out for ignored threads going forward but no more big blasts… 🙂

    Ah, cool, thanks for clarifying! Cheers.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Right. Sorry to spam the forum but I was curious how many zero comment threads there were. I just went through the most recent 100 pages and commented on what I could.

    Have a nice day!

    @Gavinski said:
    Exactly... Tons, and many from very regular posters

    I’m genuinely not sure whether that was just an elaborate way of taking the piss out of my post or a way of trying to be sincerely inclusive @gusgranite?

    @Gavinski, this thread of yours asks about the vibe of this forum. All i have done is give you an impression of it as a newcomer here, that’s all.

    Oh yeah, I don’t mind at all! I just genuinely don’t agree, at least not as far as my own attitude goes. I genuinely think you just got unlucky with your posts being ignored, but I definitely don’t have any problem with you stating that you felt ignored as a new member, I think it is useful for people to hear that.

    Cool, good to hear. Cheers.

  • edited December 2023

    @Robin2 said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Right. Sorry to spam the forum but I was curious how many zero comment threads there were. I just went through the most recent 100 pages and commented on what I could.

    Have a nice day!

    @Gavinski said:
    Exactly... Tons, and many from very regular posters

    I’m genuinely not sure whether that was just an elaborate way of taking the piss out of my post or a way of trying to be sincerely inclusive @gusgranite?

    @Gavinski, this thread of yours asks about the vibe of this forum. All i have done is give you an impression of it as a newcomer here, that’s all.

    Oh yeah, I don’t mind at all! I just genuinely don’t agree, at least not as far as my own attitude goes. I genuinely think you just got unlucky with your posts being ignored, but I definitely don’t have any problem with you stating that you felt ignored as a new member, I think it is useful for people to hear that.

    Cool, good to hear. Cheers.

    I would say the same as Gav - it’s likely to be down to anyone who has answers or comments not being online and the post quickly dropping down as others are posted. You can always bring them back to the top with a comment on your own post to bump it back to the top.

    I have sometimes just missed posts that I would definitely have commented on if I had seen them. I certainly haven’t ever ignored posts because I don’t recognize the poster.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @abf said:
    New threads are now on page 7. gusgranite is on pages 1-6. My vibe is irritated.

    Put some cream on it otherwise you’ll have sore misgivings.

    hahahaha

  • I think @gusgranite did it for all the right reasons… more power to your elbow, index finger or whatever appendage you use to hit the keyboard 😊

  • Not that I've noticed.

  • edited December 2023

    I check here now and then but over the years I got experienced enough at coding as a hobby to pick up a day job in that field and so now I have to think about code all day then run out to gigs/rehearsals rather than getting up at 10:30 and messing around with music tech until going out to play gigs for money in the evenings. Playing and releasing more original and creative music than ever though so not all bad :)

    Prague a couple of weeks ago:

  • @michael_m said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Right. Sorry to spam the forum but I was curious how many zero comment threads there were. I just went through the most recent 100 pages and commented on what I could.

    Have a nice day!

    @Gavinski said:
    Exactly... Tons, and many from very regular posters

    I’m genuinely not sure whether that was just an elaborate way of taking the piss out of my post or a way of trying to be sincerely inclusive @gusgranite?

    @Gavinski, this thread of yours asks about the vibe of this forum. All i have done is give you an impression of it as a newcomer here, that’s all.

    Oh yeah, I don’t mind at all! I just genuinely don’t agree, at least not as far as my own attitude goes. I genuinely think you just got unlucky with your posts being ignored, but I definitely don’t have any problem with you stating that you felt ignored as a new member, I think it is useful for people to hear that.

    Cool, good to hear. Cheers.

    I would say the same as Gav - it’s likely to be down to anyone who has answers or comments not being online and the past quickly dropping down as others are posted. You can always bring them back to the top with a comment on your own post to bump it back to the top.

    I have sometimes just missed posts that I would definitely have commented on if I had seen them. I certainly haven’t ever ignored posts because I don’t recognize the poster.

    Again, thanks for clarifying. Cheers.

  • @gusgranite said:
    Right. Sorry to spam the forum but I was curious how many zero comment threads there were. I just went through the most recent 100 pages and commented on what I could.

    If just a few people developed this habit you wouldn’t find a thread without a comment after a few pages.

    I like to do this in creations because so many listen but have nothing to reply… the creator that watches a track slide away gets the wrong message. Every time I find one and think of a helpful comment it gets a 2nd chance. It’s also good to ask the creator a question about the work.

    Over a few years I have developed a positive feedback loop with like minded creators and it helps me get a response that’s often beyond generous because karma is earned.

    In other words, I give and get back more in the end. Try it. You will enjoy the forum a lot more when you invest in people and their art. Seek commonality but also take an interest in genres you know little about… “who’s great at finger drumming and what apps or hardware do you use?”

  • Pet peeve: members who feel the need to post "me too", or "I have the plug in too" or "can't wait" or "instabuy" etc etc. in Every. Single. Topic. Every. Single. Day. Beyond the recent GG spam. Definitely clutters up trying to find actual useful information. As this post does...

  • edited December 2023

    @musikeer said:
    Pet peeve: members who feel the need to post "me too", or "I have the plug in too" or "can't wait" or "instabuy" etc etc. in Every. Single. Topic. Every. Single. Day. Beyond the recent GG spam. Definitely clutters up trying to find actual useful information. As this post does...

    Me too.

    Oops…

    (Sorry, couldn’t resist) :lol:

  • edited December 2023

    @musikeer said:
    Pet peeve: members who feel the need to post "me too", or "I have the plug in too" or "can't wait" or "instabuy" etc etc. in Every. Single. Topic. Every. Single. Day. Beyond the recent GG spam. Definitely clutters up trying to find actual useful information. As this post does...

    I can understand and relate, but I also see the other side in that…more activity can lead to more activity. Even if it’s a low content reply, it can inspire others to post.

    I think a lot of people lurk here. But I believe that they probably would add substance to the forum if they actually started posting.

    And the struggle to find useful info on this forum is an entirely different issue in my opinion. The search has rarely given me a good result.

  • I like this place.

    I’d participate more but I’ve lost interest in iOS music stuff.

  • @BroCoast said:
    ... but I’ve lost interest in iOS music stuff.

    Mind I ask why?

  • I can identify with the comments that it can seem a little cliquey here, I have felt that at times.

    Funnily enough, I have a running joke with myself that every time I reply to something, I think to myself, let's see if I can kill this thread by commenting (hah!) but for me the reality is on a forum, threads get buried fast and it's nothing to do with your input, it's just the nature of the medium and competing other posts.

    That said, I've seen occasional posters reply and then a forum regular replies and everyone thanks the regular for the solution, I think that sometimes leans into the feeling of this clique thing but I think it's the familiarity people have with regular posters, you guys are great and trusted.

    Which leads me to the point. This place is full of talented, passionate, experienced and helpful people.

    Personally I enjoy it more since the off topic stuff was parked. Those threads were, for me, quite distressing to read and occasionally triggering (yeah, I can choose not to read them but you don't know till it's too late!). To be honest, it put me off this place for a while, a place that I found in 2020 as a new iOS hobbyist music maker.

    I've seen people who I thought were trouble makers grow and become more considerate with their posts and the core helpfulness, diversity and passion is still here and this is why I still come back to read everyday.

    I don't feel a change in vibe that much, but since the Logic's release, which did generate a lot of negativity despite it's awesomeness (imo, ignoring the sub), maybe this place has attracted personalities that come from a different place?

    To be honest, I don't think anything needs to change, if things feel a bit different, it's probably just a cycle of change I guess. Like I said, the reason I still read this community is because of the diversity, open mindedness and passion that you don't get elsewhere.

  • @timforsyth said:
    Personally I enjoy it more since the off topic stuff was parked.

    Yes! It didn’t really have any positive benefits here, and there are plenty of other places online if anyone wants to have that type of discussion.

    It’s definitely better when people don’t start posting their opinions on non-music related things.

  • @Mr_Fox said:

    @BroCoast said:
    ... but I’ve lost interest in iOS music stuff.

    Mind I ask why?

    A few reasons.

    I have a love/hate relationship with the touch screen. I find it great sitting on the couch, terrible on a desk/mount/stand. I will continue to use the apps I have, but it’s more leisure at this point and not something I want to put any more money into.

  • edited December 2023

    @Robin2 said:
    As a relative newcomer in these parts, one thing i think could benefit this forum would be to have the ability to ‘Like’ a comment without actually replying to it.

    👍

    I know people tend to associate this with “social media”, but I’ve found “reactions” to be a real boon in Slack at work and in Discord with my friends. They replace low-content messages and help encourage some feedback that would be skipped because it would be low-content that someone would feel isn’t worthy of a message.

    Many times here I’ve wanted to give a thumbs-up and been sad that I can’t without posting a message, which would then have to also include a quote to be clear about what I was responding to. And when I do post a message, it would be nice to know if it was well-received by anyone even if they didn’t have much to say in response.

    When it comes to how to improve the vibe, lightweight feedback like this could go a long way towards helping each of us to figure out how to improve our contributions.

  • @fisherro I wish I could like your post. Completely agree. Very good points. And I’ve also felt the same many times.

  • @BroCoast said:

    @Mr_Fox said:

    @BroCoast said:
    ... but I’ve lost interest in iOS music stuff.

    Mind I ask why?

    A few reasons.

    I have a love/hate relationship with the touch screen. I find it great sitting on the couch, terrible on a desk/mount/stand. I will continue to use the apps I have, but it’s more leisure at this point and not something I want to put any more money into.

    Fair enough. I do use iPad for works but I can definitely see it being a pain when using on a desk for extended periods of time.

  • @michael_m said:

    @timforsyth said:
    Personally I enjoy it more since the off topic stuff was parked.

    Yes! It didn’t really have any positive benefits here, and there are plenty of other places online if anyone wants to have that type of discussion.

    It’s definitely better when people don’t start posting their opinions on non-music related things.

    Yes, let's keep it about the music, I reckon... the political Off Topic threads were almost certainly contributors to increased division and disharmony here. Well meant, and I enjoyed them and participated at times, but by the time they got the axe it was already pretty clear they should have been axed long before.

  • @Gavinski Wow, I didn’t know all that happened. I took a few years break from this place, so I missed all of this drama.

    I’m actually kind of glad lol

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