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He did post another video before this one and he mentioned it's the new Electribe.
Also in this one he said it's only an Electribe. Considering the amount of instruments and polyphony and reverb I can assume it's new one
@alexbuga said:
Thanks. Yea I dug up his youtube+subscribed. Well the wait just got a bit longer.
I just listened to that set, that was really good. All coming from the electribe is crazy but I think it's the old one now! It sounds like the new one but you can download a file containing the whole set for the EMX1? It's in the description??
@alexbuga said:
Here from mistabishi himself:
I've just uploaded an hour long live set, recorded some time ago, using nothing but the EMX1 (no post-production or editting, just a stereo pair into a DJ mixer with the recording captured D.I. from the front-of-house desk).
In the video description there's a link to the EMX1 data set, so any EMX1 user can load in the data of the above, and reverse engineer what i did if they want.
And yes, the longer you hold the note down, the greater the sense of dread.
Any other questions, feel free to ask!
mista
So it's definitely the old emx1
Yeah, saw the description when I watched it from home again. I was posting from my phone and didn't noticed the desc. WOW! The man's a freakin EMX genious.
He also replied to some questions on Reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/2hsvv2/james_pullens_ask_mistabishi_anything_thread/
There were 2 interesting answers there. The first was that you may be able to 'swap' firmwares between the sampler and the standard version, so effectively you can have the two devices in one. But he was at pains to point out that it's not confirmed you will be able to do this.
The second is that the new Electribes are more geared towards live play and that there is no conventional song mode. So it's up to you to change the patterns in real time, it sounds like.
His answer about the firmware cements my decision to get the standard model, I think (dependent on positive reviews, obviously!).
@Michael_R_Grant said:
Yeh theres no way korg are going to let us do the firmware, hes prob going to get in shit for mentioning its possible.
On the plus side it will probably be hack-able to change FW if its possible. Someone will get it done
@Buska It does look like the devices are pretty much identical save for the colour scheme and logo! The way that firmware is loaded into these kinds of devices makes it highly likely that it'll work if the 2 Electribes are as identical as they appear to be. I doubt that Korg have the time to change anything in the hardware itself to make it impossible. Even if it voids the warranty, surely you could just reset to factory settings and Korg would be none the wiser.
This is all speculation, I suppose, but it makes sense!
it seems odd that the machines would be identical and the fw could be swapped if one's designed as a sampler and the other isn't...do they both have physical inputs?
@CalCutta Actually, you do have a point, thinking about it! Why would the standard Electribe have a mic input?
@Michael_R_Grant said:
Yup they both have inputs
The inputs are for processing external sources through the electribe. But what about sample rom/storage? I have no idea how much that stuff costs, but if not having sample storage means a lower production cost I'm sure Korg wouldn't have it in the synth v. .?
I was thinking about the FW too when I preordered the synth version.
The original EMX is one of the most under-rated bits of gear IMO, capable of a lot more sounds than a quick play would have you believe.
Considering both of the new Electribes have an SD slot, I'd guess sample storage depends on what size card you have. I believe the manual says they support the ultra fast cards up to 32GB?
@ChrisG said:
Don't forget all the PCM waveforms in the synth version, isn't there only like 40mb of ram on the sampler? That suggests to me they are the same hardware box
@Tarekith said:
Yeah they can hold a lot of samples but only use about 270s worth of samples actually loaded at any one time. Very limited for a modern sampler and almost the same as the esx. Doesn't bother me though I'm used to working on old 90's samplers with much less
Edit: just checked korg.us
"maximum of 270 seconds of sampling time (calculated as monaural) can be used"
It's actually worse than I thought! It's 270 mono lol, but still fine for my uses
A little over 2 minutes of stereo sampling time...yep I'll pass
I forgot about the memory card. 2-4 min sample mem is plenty for my uses. That's a shitload of drum samples, one shots, licks, FXs, etc for a project.
Hehe, the Machinedrum UW only has 2.5MB (yes megabyte) for sample storage, quit your complaining
Yeah and the iPad has umpteen minutes or more of sampling without external memory. Complaining I'm not. As well, I'm not the biggest Elektron/Machinedrum fan, so yeah, that namedrop doesn't go far with everyone...
I see the on-board memory on the new Electribe as a signpost of regression in musical hardware technology. It's admittedly a smaller point, but it's still worth a mention.
2 minutes is plenty for me too. But I wonder how that translates to pattern switching in the real world? If pattern A1 uses 2min of samples and pattern A5 uses 2 minutes of different samples, is there a delay when switching? If there isn't and 2min==real time addressable samples, hardly a big deal for me.
I get that use cases are different. I want it mostly as a drum machine with user loadable samples and sync.
I totally get why one would want more sample time but for the record:
MPC60: 26.2 seconds (with the upgrade)
SP12: 5 seconds (with the upgrade)
SP1200: 10 seconds
these were all <16 bit and <44.1!
A lot of great music was made on them. You can do it!
Seeing as I've been the vocal dissenter about low sample times, I'm guessing that was directed at me...2 things:
Those specs forced the artists that used them into the constraints they faced. Give them different technology and I'm betting those same producers go about their craft differently.
Those are all old machines and the context of my argument is about technological advancements, not quality of musical results.
My comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular, I was just pointing out it could be a LOT worse.
@syrupcore said:
Yeah if its per pattern its not even an issue, and im pretty sure thats going to be the case.
Mine wasn't directed either. Not meant to argue against more sample storage or tech advancement but to remind us all of how much can be done with very little. I appreciate those sorts of constraints. If everything else works well, they can be wonderful.
Sampling time of the new Tribe is okay for me ... but only if the sample file management will be improved. Even the newer ESX SD can handle only 128 audio files per card (if I remember correctly). The workaround to store the samples in different ESX files onto a big card (e.g. sorted by sound category) is fiddly, because while importing single samples from ESX files you have to identify the samples by number and not by name. I hope the Electribe Sampler will allow to store an unlimited amount of audio files on the card and/or offers a better file management for loading single samples.
After reading a lot of facts and speculations, the missing song mode and the reduced pattern length are the only drawbacks for me. As I mentioned before: My plan is to use the Electribe Sampler as slave unit for my EMX.
@syrupcore said:
It's not per pattern. The maximum onboard sampling time you can have at once is 270 seconds (mono). It's even less sampling time than the ESX.
@shortbus said:
Ok wow so this basically limits it to being a drum machine if you wanted to use it for a hour long set for example. Bummer..
@Buska said:
I just don't get why instead of expanding on the sampling capacity, they actually shrank the capacity compared to the previous version, in 2014.