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Drum Apps
Please recommend me some drum apps for live performing. I prefer acoustic drum sounds. It doesn't need to be Auv3 if it supports Link and accepts midi program change. I already have a couple of Lumbeat apps but I don't think the fills and random variations fit the beats, although I do like the idea of fill generation and variations. Also, I am not that good at creating beats so an app that has pre-made patterns would be ideal. Thanks in advance.
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There is only one drum app
ONE SHOT!
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BUT IF Lumbeat didn’t do it for you, that’s tough to fill
The only drummer almost as good as Lumbeat is Logics Drummer , but if you don’t think Lumbeat is enough Logic might not be either
What kind of music do you do?
Hammerhead by @brambos fucking rules. it’s just so fun to pick up and get going.
EDIT ; I definitely didn’t fully comprehend what you posted so apologies for an answer that didn’t specifically meet your specs. My bad.
I just scrolled through the list of Link apps, and these are generally going to be your best bets. Not 100% on all of these having MIDI program change, though.
Arturia iSpark, BeatHawk, DrumJam, DrumPerfect Pro, EG Pulse, Nanostudio 2 (w/ IAP), Patterning, and Playbeat
OneShot ticks the boxes for good acoustic sounds but doesn't have a sequencer, so it doesn't tick all the boxes of the OP. Drum Perfect Pro fits the needs as expressed. It's not the easiest to learn and use though.
Hammerhead is awesome, but not as detailed for acoustic drums, having only one sample per sound.
I think the combination of a decent drum sequencer + the auto fills plugin + OneShot is the best answer, with one exception. There are plenty of easy to use basic drum sequencers. I couldn't begin to list them all and have stopped buying new ones. But if the basic idea is to get a basic beat going, then throw in some fills at regular intervals, then Autofills is a way to get some basic (random though) variations and fills going.
I didn't address midi program change. That's something that would have to be looked at real carefully and might point back to Drum Perfect Pro as the best answer.
+ the auto fills plugin
What is that?
To answer Yellow Eyes question, I play a wide variety of music (classic rock. Motown, Soul, blues.) I only use a drum machine if I'm doing a solo, duo, or trio and I play bass with the left hand and other parts with the right hand so I can't use a hand to trigger fills. I do have an IK Blueboard that I can send midi messages with. I realize that most people on this forum are most interested in creating EDM, but past suggestions have been helpful for me for playing live. I do like Lumbeat apps for jamming with, but the fills and variations often don't fit the songs I'm playing. I think Autofills with a drum sequencer might be my best bet. DPP sounds like it may be overwhelming for me.
https://apps.apple.com/vn/app/auto-fills-drum-fill-generator/id6476319733
https://forum.loopypro.com/user/browse?keywords=212.125.14.145
I use Groove Monkee and Oddgrooves midi drum loops. They’re recorded by real drummers. For playing them use the midi sequencer of your choice (I use Drambo) and an acoustic drum soundfont loaded in BS-16i. You can’t tell that it isn’t a real drummer playing in a studio.
cool thx!! Never seen it before...might help get around the Lumbeat IAA only thing. Using the fills app, as you wrote, with another drum unit.
Cannot access the second link , it reports I do not have access to do that??
oops. Fixed. Sorry, I copied the wrong link.
It takes some work to learn all the various settings and to tweak things to get decent results with Auto Fills.
I sometimes use two instances. One to put in fills (2 beat fills every 8 or 16 bars is usually my preference), and one at low probabilities to drop "random" hits every now and then during non-fill bars.
It's not as good as the Lumbeats apps overall, but works for general things.
@musicplayer - have you considered GarageBand's drummers? I never seem to get myself to use GarageBand, but the drummers are really good. If you don't want to use GarageBand in a live situation, it can still be useful for generating parts to be exported for later use.
True. GarageBand's drummers and percussion options are quite good.
One could create a GarageBand file using either the Live Loops option (something I've never been able to figure out) or the regular tracks view and just have the drum sequence repeat. If the musician/band doesn't do a lot of straying from the original song length, a sequence could be programmed to only play once and then end.
Listen to me. I know what I’m talking about
DPP is dead - just took one shot! Hahahah
But that’s what Gilbert gets for not doing the update otherwise one shot might have had competition
Now. For Edm and hip hop and electronic you need playbeat 3 and drum computer , hammerhead too
For all else you need one shot! Octachron and autofills
It doesn't look like the DrumPerfect guys have logged in since February. 😞 If @Marinus or @Gilbert come to visit again, please update us on the development (or not) of the app.
Believe me I was just as disappointed as you
It had. Lot of potential
But unfortunately klevgrand kinda crushed all desktop and iOS competition
I don’t see DPP and OneShot as competing apps. DPP’s sequencing and pattern playback aren’t things oneshot will be offering.
Hopefully, the DPP update will happen and that all is well with Gilbert and Marinus.
I don't want you to have a bad day, but I don't think AutoFills will help you. If you don't like the Lumbeat drummer because of "the fills and variations often don't fit the songs I'm playing", AutoFills is even worse at this. Yes, it can make fills, but the result is definitely not close to what e.g. FunkDrummer produces.
That is very true. There’s nothing “style” driven about them. It’s just randomness. On the other hand, there’s a tremendous amount of flexibility and at least the possibility to tweak things to get ok sounding results.
Sounds like what you really want is the beat buddy pedal on iOS- but it still doesn’t exist.
Or Rayzoon Jamstix 4 (Win/Mac only)
Lumbeat’s rhythm generators are fantastic, and I’ve been trying for a while to figure out how to analyze the pattern algorithms, to see if I could replicate them… possibly using Mozaic as a capture/processing utility, or something weirder in MiRack.
At the moment, my main use of Logic Pro is capturing those drummers. It seems a waste, but it’s useful. I just wish they had more.
Autofill is interesting, but not really musical.
These days I mostly use Octachron, tweaking the parameter variations to get something like what Perfect Drummer does. And yeah, OneShot really dominates the sound now. It’s gorgeous, especially if you want acoustic. I really hope they keep releasing packs. I’m lazy when it comes to sample hunting and loading.
Ooooh… I just a tangential thought. The other pattern generator I’ve been thinking about is the “remix” feature in Drum Computer. I analyzed (and posted here) what the remix actually does a while ago. And I’ve just realized that I can in fact do this in MiRack.
^^^^ This! But Ralph has firmly squashed any chance of this happening.
If you‘re going to use your own samples it‘s OneShot or Digistix2. Both allow for multiple layers and round robin playback/drumming.
The Lumbeat apps are nice but the sounds are…well, everybody‘s different.
Same goes for the Logic/Garageband drummers. They can get quite dynamic and groovy but I don‘t like the sound of the kits. Mostly the usual singer/songwriter stuff.
I know what you mean
That’s why I use AUM - rock DM>One shot!
I play the same style of music as you and If you only export 1 bar from Lumbeat, it won't have any fills (if you turn the Jam setting all the way down) and you can just loop that as needed.
If I need something more complex, I will also often export the midi from Lumbeat (Funk Drummer) and then open that midi in a DAW (I like Logic) and edit out the fills I don't like, add my own, etc. Then I use Logics drums or One Shot to get the sound I want.
The Mac version has never come out of beta and it’s been years since any updates or news from Ralph, so I wouldn’t hold my breath on that.
haha, yep, that pretty much sums up what I wrote!
dRambo.
Whether using samples or triggering auv3's.
I'm biding my time for OneShot as I have other priorities at the moment however
I think I've got most things covered except for auto fills which I personally don't need.
I tend to sequence in the apropriate fills that I need.
When playing live, use a drummer.
@Gravitas What does Drambo provide in terms of rhythm sequencing that’s not (perhaps better) served by something like Octachron, or even Nodes? I’m always looking for ways to improve my process.