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Nobody cares if you use AI

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  • edited November 2024

    @AudioGus said:

    @MrStochastic said:

    @NeuM said:

    @MrStochastic said:
    This was clever and at least some humans were required to conceive the idea and stitch all those ai pieces together.
    But the takeaway seems to be "Nobody Cares". Which might be a comment on the business world itself, capitalism, maybe society in general.

    Capitalism works. That's the takeaway.

    It makes “not caring” easy.

    Yah treat people like machines and see them become... machines, hah!

    People who make their employers and customers money stay employed. And "A.I." services which do the same for people using them will also do well.

  • @BiancaNeve said:
    But anyway the only way musicians can make money is selling pics of their bums or feet…. (well according to a BBC article today at least)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwygdzn4dw4o

    @BiancaNeve said:
    But anyway the only way musicians can make money is selling pics of their bums or feet…. (well according to a BBC article today at least)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwygdzn4dw4o

    While Rick Rubin just gives that foot content away for free during interviews!

  • edited November 2024

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Now here’s a bold marketing campaign from Fiver. What are your thoughts on it?

    This is something I've been telling other musicians (and visual artists) who turn their nose up at AI-created content. The everyday client doesn't care. They just care about the end results.

    Just like when people think "OH, I used this plugin in such-and-such way to creatively sculpt this sound and that sound to fit together in the mix. Isn't that neat?" The client doesn't care! "It took me 3 hours to master this one track without the use of AI." The client doesn't care! "I painstakingly programmed each MIDI note to sound like a human played this drum solo." The client doesn't care! What do most clients who aren't fellow musicians actually give a shit about? The end result.

    (On a side note: man, I need to spice up my Fiverr account and start getting clients, lol. 😂)

    Clients are one thing but audiences, co-workers and employers are another.

    I think the ad and jwm are both right. The results are what matters, not how you got there.

    Perhaps, but just maybe how you got there matters to the adventurer?

    In my world AI doesn’t exist yet. If I was a teacher and needed some lesson planning or similar I’d be totally up for it. As it stands I totally enjoy making things up from scratch, whether writing and arranging a song or making up a recipe as I go along.

    To me the journey is it, once I’ve gotten to the end result the project is already in the past.

    So if it makes my life easier, yes please, if it robs me of simple pleasures then, hell no!

  • @supadom said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Now here’s a bold marketing campaign from Fiver. What are your thoughts on it?

    This is something I've been telling other musicians (and visual artists) who turn their nose up at AI-created content. The everyday client doesn't care. They just care about the end results.

    Just like when people think "OH, I used this plugin in such-and-such way to creatively sculpt this sound and that sound to fit together in the mix. Isn't that neat?" The client doesn't care! "It took me 3 hours to master this one track without the use of AI." The client doesn't care! "I painstakingly programmed each MIDI note to sound like a human played this drum solo." The client doesn't care! What do most clients who aren't fellow musicians actually give a shit about? The end result.

    (On a side note: man, I need to spice up my Fiverr account and start getting clients, lol. 😂)

    Clients are one thing but audiences, co-workers and employers are another.

    I think the ad and jwm are both right. The results are what matters, not how you got there.

    Perhaps, but just maybe how you got there matters to the adventurer?

    In my world AI doesn’t exist yet. If I was a teacher and needed some lesson planning or similar I’d be totally up for it. As it stands I totally enjoy making things up from scratch, whether writing and arranging a song or making up a recipe as I go along.

    To me the journey is it, once I’ve gotten to the end result the project is already in the past.

    So if it makes my life easier, yes please, if it robs me of simple pleasures then, hell no!

    I agree. It's kinda like fast food - not the best thing in the world for us, but eaten now and again, it's no biggie.

    Will someone try to abuse AI? Yep they sure will, will we stop them and just get the best from it? Doubtful....it will be somewhere in the middle. Our journey is like a piece just being written....

  • edited November 2024

    I care about the health of humans.

    AI puts that in jeopardy in an already heated and insecure professional climate.

    I want people to be able to survive comfortably, and we do not have systems in place for these mass layoffs due to rising debt and the appeal of using power and data to instead do the jobs of people.

    The costs of these models growing is exceeding what these companies can pay their workers, they're literally betting on being able to suck up more and more of your power grids so they can fire you.

    Please understand that AI will not help you unless you are okay with hurting other humans.

  • @Goldiblockz said:
    I care about the health of humans.

    AI puts that in jeopardy in an already heated and insecure professional climate.

    I want people to be able to survive comfortably, and we do not have systems in place for these mass layoffs due to rising debt and the appeal of using power and data to instead do the jobs of people.

    The costs of these models growing is exceeding what these companies can pay their workers, they're literally betting on being able to suck up more and more of your power grids so they can fire you.

    Please understand that AI will not help you unless you are okay with hurting other humans.

    What if “AI” is used to cure all known diseases? That might turn out to be a rather redeeming feature.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:
    I care about the health of humans.

    AI puts that in jeopardy in an already heated and insecure professional climate.

    I want people to be able to survive comfortably, and we do not have systems in place for these mass layoffs due to rising debt and the appeal of using power and data to instead do the jobs of people.

    The costs of these models growing is exceeding what these companies can pay their workers, they're literally betting on being able to suck up more and more of your power grids so they can fire you.

    Please understand that AI will not help you unless you are okay with hurting other humans.

    What if “AI” is used to cure all known diseases? That might turn out to be a rather redeeming feature.

    The same thing we say to humans that can't obtain a celestial goal. If they could, they would.

  • @Goldiblockz said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:
    I care about the health of humans.

    AI puts that in jeopardy in an already heated and insecure professional climate.

    I want people to be able to survive comfortably, and we do not have systems in place for these mass layoffs due to rising debt and the appeal of using power and data to instead do the jobs of people.

    The costs of these models growing is exceeding what these companies can pay their workers, they're literally betting on being able to suck up more and more of your power grids so they can fire you.

    Please understand that AI will not help you unless you are okay with hurting other humans.

    What if “AI” is used to cure all known diseases? That might turn out to be a rather redeeming feature.

    The same thing we say to humans that can't obtain a celestial goal. If they could, they would.

    Individually designed medical treatments are going to be a real thing. They can and they will.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:
    I care about the health of humans.

    AI puts that in jeopardy in an already heated and insecure professional climate.

    I want people to be able to survive comfortably, and we do not have systems in place for these mass layoffs due to rising debt and the appeal of using power and data to instead do the jobs of people.

    The costs of these models growing is exceeding what these companies can pay their workers, they're literally betting on being able to suck up more and more of your power grids so they can fire you.

    Please understand that AI will not help you unless you are okay with hurting other humans.

    What if “AI” is used to cure all known diseases? That might turn out to be a rather redeeming feature.

    The same thing we say to humans that can't obtain a celestial goal. If they could, they would.

    Individually designed medical treatments are going to be a real thing. They can and they will.

    Finding a cure does not do anything about distribution and firmness in the world. Those with power and money will hoard solutions regardless of their source. That's why it's important for an individual person to have power without money or prestige.

    I'd be happy to see individually designed models finding medical treatments. Where are they getting the data to train their model from? The hospitals and universities are going to give up all their medical data for some single individual to try and find cures? No.

  • edited November 2024

    @Goldiblockz said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:
    I care about the health of humans.

    AI puts that in jeopardy in an already heated and insecure professional climate.

    I want people to be able to survive comfortably, and we do not have systems in place for these mass layoffs due to rising debt and the appeal of using power and data to instead do the jobs of people.

    The costs of these models growing is exceeding what these companies can pay their workers, they're literally betting on being able to suck up more and more of your power grids so they can fire you.

    Please understand that AI will not help you unless you are okay with hurting other humans.

    What if “AI” is used to cure all known diseases? That might turn out to be a rather redeeming feature.

    The same thing we say to humans that can't obtain a celestial goal. If they could, they would.

    Individually designed medical treatments are going to be a real thing. They can and they will.

    Finding a cure does not do anything about distribution and firmness in the world. Those with power and money will hoard solutions regardless of their source. That's why it's important for an individual person to have power without money or prestige.

    I'd be happy to see individually designed models finding medical treatments. Where are they getting the data to train their model from? The hospitals and universities are going to give up all their medical data for some single individual to try and find cures? No.

    The trajectory of technology tells us that eventually the power of AI will exceed the computing power of all human minds which have ever existed combined and the cost to use this power will approach zero. Technology gets better and cheaper. It’s why the equivalent of a supercomputer is now available to us for for the cost of several car loan payments.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:
    I care about the health of humans.

    AI puts that in jeopardy in an already heated and insecure professional climate.

    I want people to be able to survive comfortably, and we do not have systems in place for these mass layoffs due to rising debt and the appeal of using power and data to instead do the jobs of people.

    The costs of these models growing is exceeding what these companies can pay their workers, they're literally betting on being able to suck up more and more of your power grids so they can fire you.

    Please understand that AI will not help you unless you are okay with hurting other humans.

    What if “AI” is used to cure all known diseases? That might turn out to be a rather redeeming feature.

    The same thing we say to humans that can't obtain a celestial goal. If they could, they would.

    Individually designed medical treatments are going to be a real thing. They can and they will.

    Finding a cure does not do anything about distribution and firmness in the world. Those with power and money will hoard solutions regardless of their source. That's why it's important for an individual person to have power without money or prestige.

    I'd be happy to see individually designed models finding medical treatments. Where are they getting the data to train their model from? The hospitals and universities are going to give up all their medical data for some single individual to try and find cures? No.

    The trajectory of technology tells us that eventually the power of AI will exceed the computing power of all human minds which have ever existed combined and the cost to use this power will approach zero. Technology gets better and cheaper. It’s why the equivalent of a supercomputer is now available to us for for the cost of several car loan payments.

    Technology does get better and cheaper, and I agree that the trajectory is correct. I just think we're going to wipe out civilization before we get there.

  • I suppose it's only polite we keep AI discussion to music matters only. I found myself drifting away from the safe subject zone for a little there!

  • edited November 2024

    The subject isn't about only music, i'm not only talking about music, screw that lol.

    The OP even calls it a "bold campaign" if it's bold let's talk about why it's bold instead of being scared to talk about robots impacting our lives.

  • @Goldiblockz said:
    The subject isn't about only music, i'm not only talking about music, screw that lol.

    The OP even calls it a "bold campaign" if it's bold let's talk about why it's bold instead of being scared to talk about robots impacting our lives.

    Robots are a whole other area for discussion and that will get political faster than AI alone.

  • Some people do care.
    Some few people even care a lot.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Goldiblockz said:
    The subject isn't about only music, i'm not only talking about music, screw that lol.

    The OP even calls it a "bold campaign" if it's bold let's talk about why it's bold instead of being scared to talk about robots impacting our lives.

    Robots are a whole other area for discussion and that will get political faster than AI alone.

    Yah will be fun to see how the packin' crowd takes it compared to the art snowflakes.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2024

    One can care while still accepting the reality that this is unstoppable. I feel it's more productive to turn that caring into working out how to cope with it and for the little guy to benefit or at least not get hurt.

    I feel like anything else may help one feel like they're doing something, but in reality accomplishes nothing of practical value.

  • Aye, the human animal has been organizing itself around this endeavor/experiment for centuries now. Can't say I blame it given the challenges it has been thrown in the past.

  • @wim said:
    One can care while still accepting the reality that this is unstoppable. I feel it's more productive to turn that caring into working out how to cope with it and for the little guy to benefit or at least not get hurt.

    I feel like anything else may help one feel like they're doing something, but in reality accomplishes nothing of practical value.

    This. ☝️ The best, most well-rounded answer in this thread.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    I suppose it's only polite we keep AI discussion to music matters only. I found myself drifting away from the safe subject zone for a little there!

    Music matters ;-)

    AI/algorithms will/are able to 'read' the content of uploaded songs and REAL (ie effective) protest/alternative choice songs can be removed/deplatformed/shadowbanned/demonetised as happens now to speech on all of the major social media platforms including Facebook, YouTube comments and X far more than many people realise.

    A digital breaking of Victor Jara's fingers

    Lyrics of the songs CAN be digitally manipulated without knowledge of the creator and different versions can be sent to different demographics as some politicians now give different (sometimes diametrically opposed) speeches to different audiences.

    AI can/will be able to do this on an individual basis.

    Is it happening is theory, can it happen is not.

    The ownership/control of information is an important subject...and that is why I prefer live music...see still on topic ;-)

  • @AudioGus said:
    I use AI to fix the shortcomings of AI all the time and the skillset I am drawing upon in the abstract is a previous non-AI skillset to do so, ie. fundamentals.

    Well said.

    I'm a content strategist and "editor in chief" at a small content marketing agency. I spend a lot of time working on how to get the best results from AI-generated writing. Our best writers produce the best work with AI. The worst writers are still bad. Most of them don't have the necessary skills (editorial skills) to even recognize problems that need to be resolved. It's a new way of working that delivers some efficiencies, like much faster planning and research. Lots of writers are refusing to learn it and they'll learn the hard way that no one will pay them to spend hours manually researching the next blog post.

  • If I pay somebody to do a job and they do it with AI, it better be to the quality that I can't tell. A lot of time I can tell and I would not be impressed to pay for it.

  • @ecou said:
    If I pay somebody to do a job and they do it with AI, it better be to the quality that I can't tell. A lot of time I can tell and I would not be impressed to pay for it.

    That's a 100% fair criticism.

  • @ecou said:
    If I pay somebody to do a job and they do it with AI, it better be to the quality that I can't tell. A lot of time I can tell and I would not be impressed to pay for it.

    This is fair. I mean if you're a DIYer and want to use AI for your own personal projects that's one thing. I use Wonder AI for my own album covers despite the fact I can make my own digital art in ProCreate. And if someone offers to do something for me for free and uses AI, I don't mind that either since it's free afterall. Even if I pay someone a fiver (ha, see what I did there?), and they use AI, ah well.

    But if I pay someone hundreds for a professional job, I expect no corners to be cut. ;)

  • As someone else had already mentioned, it’s nice that despite the wide range of opinions regarding A.I. on this forum, things have been mostly civil discourse and insightful.

    Makes me wonder how the rap forums are doing.

  • @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    As someone else had already mentioned, it’s nice that despite the wide range of opinions regarding A.I. on this forum, things have been mostly civil discourse and insightful.

    Makes me wonder how the rap forums are doing.

    Maybe a bit more like this...

    😂

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    As someone else had already mentioned, it’s nice that despite the wide range of opinions regarding A.I. on this forum, things have been mostly civil discourse and insightful.

    Makes me wonder how the rap forums are doing.

    Maybe a bit more like this...

    😂

    LOL. Brilliant marketing campaign from Coca-cola. I honestly came here to post a video of me interrogating an AI Robot

    https://youtube.com/shorts/Ww8Zf5_Z3IQ?si=IFLwgeTWXAqRSYBE

    Edit: Loved that movie.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    As someone else had already mentioned, it’s nice that despite the wide range of opinions regarding A.I. on this forum, things have been mostly civil discourse and insightful.

    Makes me wonder how the rap forums are doing.

    Maybe a bit more like this...

    😂

    Ahhh, now I get it... well played Coke heads.

  • edited November 2024

    @suboptimal said:

    @AudioGus said:
    I use AI to fix the shortcomings of AI all the time and the skillset I am drawing upon in the abstract is a previous non-AI skillset to do so, ie. fundamentals.

    Well said.

    I'm a content strategist and "editor in chief" at a small content marketing agency. I spend a lot of time working on how to get the best results from AI-generated writing. Our best writers produce the best work with AI. The worst writers are still bad. Most of them don't have the necessary skills (editorial skills) to even recognize problems that need to be resolved. It's a new way of working that delivers some efficiencies, like much faster planning and research. Lots of writers are refusing to learn it and they'll learn the hard way that no one will pay them to spend hours manually researching the next blog post.

    I think this is a really important point! In all my testing of various AI so far, including text, audio, photo, and video, I've found that getting the best results from it requires possessing a lot of the skillset needed to do the work "manually." This can mean a big boost in productivity if you already do that work.

    My biggest point of contact has been with ChatGPT/similar, where I've found a noticeable increase in my speed of research when developing software. I attribute this to the fact that I have been researching this topic for years already, so I know both how to research it on the internet and whether or not some new tool is offering me a benefit. Knowing what questions to ask, and more importantly how to correctly apply the answers, is a really big deal. I think that concept applies to other areas of usage as well.

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