Nobody cares if you use AI

knewspeak

X> @NeuM said:

@MrStochastic said:
This was clever and at least some humans were required to conceive the idea and stitch all those ai pieces together.
But the takeaway seems to be "Nobody Cares". Which might be a comment on the business world itself, capitalism, maybe society in general.

Capitalism works. That's the takeaway.

Really consult Adam Smith’s own opinion as to the future of capitalism, but as he stated he wouldn’t be around to see it, we are. Then you realise it works until it doesn’t.

NeuM

@knewspeak said:
X> @NeuM said:

@MrStochastic said:
This was clever and at least some humans were required to conceive the idea and stitch all those ai pieces together.
But the takeaway seems to be "Nobody Cares". Which might be a comment on the business world itself, capitalism, maybe society in general.

Capitalism works. That's the takeaway.

Really consult Adam Smith’s own opinion as to the future of capitalism, but as he stated he wouldn’t be around to see it, we are. Then you realise it works until it doesn’t.

With apologies to Winston Churchill: "Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others."

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@Goldiblockz said:
I care about the health of humans.

AI puts that in jeopardy in an already heated and insecure professional climate.

I want people to be able to survive comfortably, and we do not have systems in place for these mass layoffs due to rising debt and the appeal of using power and data to instead do the jobs of people.

The costs of these models growing is exceeding what these companies can pay their workers, they're literally betting on being able to suck up more and more of your power grids so they can fire you.

Please understand that AI will not help you unless you are okay with hurting other humans.

What if “AI” is used to cure all known diseases? That might turn out to be a rather redeeming feature.

An impossibility, that nature would adapt to.

@NeuM said:

@Goldiblockz said:

@NeuM said:

@Goldiblockz said:
I care about the health of humans.

AI puts that in jeopardy in an already heated and insecure professional climate.

I want people to be able to survive comfortably, and we do not have systems in place for these mass layoffs due to rising debt and the appeal of using power and data to instead do the jobs of people.

The costs of these models growing is exceeding what these companies can pay their workers, they're literally betting on being able to suck up more and more of your power grids so they can fire you.

Please understand that AI will not help you unless you are okay with hurting other humans.

What if “AI” is used to cure all known diseases? That might turn out to be a rather redeeming feature.

The same thing we say to humans that can't obtain a celestial goal. If they could, they would.

Individually designed medical treatments are going to be a real thing. They can and they will.

This is already how medicine is practiced btw. You are all unique individuals.

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:
X> @NeuM said:

@MrStochastic said:
This was clever and at least some humans were required to conceive the idea and stitch all those ai pieces together.
But the takeaway seems to be "Nobody Cares". Which might be a comment on the business world itself, capitalism, maybe society in general.

Capitalism works. That's the takeaway.

Really consult Adam Smith’s own opinion as to the future of capitalism, but as he stated he wouldn’t be around to see it, we are. Then you realise it works until it doesn’t.

With apologies to Winston Churchill: "Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others."

I believe it was Democracy not capitalism in that quote, conflating both is an error.

ecou

I was at a friend's house and he is still a bug cd collector. I was looking at a cd inner sleeves and the picture were clearly AI made. I told him and he had a look at it and asked me how I can tell.

I guess if you have not played with AI your eyes are not as used to the AI look.

NeuM

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:
X> @NeuM said:

@MrStochastic said:
This was clever and at least some humans were required to conceive the idea and stitch all those ai pieces together.
But the takeaway seems to be "Nobody Cares". Which might be a comment on the business world itself, capitalism, maybe society in general.

Capitalism works. That's the takeaway.

Really consult Adam Smith’s own opinion as to the future of capitalism, but as he stated he wouldn’t be around to see it, we are. Then you realise it works until it doesn’t.

With apologies to Winston Churchill: "Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others."

I believe it was Democracy not capitalism in that quote, conflating both is an error.

I’m well aware of the original quote, thus the “with apologies to Winston Churchill…” introduction.

Krupa

Maybe AI will be the thing that finally comes up with a workable solution that’s better than capitalism 😅

yellow_eyez

——pause——-

hey guys. How’s it going ??? I don’t read every post or even every thread but just a quick glance at this one is making me think to remind us Let’s make sure we leave politics , (and allusions to ideologies or whatever, you know what I’m talking about) at the door please

Thank you very much

——unpause———

Blipsford_Baubie

Then back to rappers, cuz…music. I imagine if i was a rapper, I’d be really pissed about A.I.
I’m thinking about things like losing all credibility if one is suspected of using A.I. as an aid. I don’t listen to rap or immerse myself in that world, but it’s largely egocentric, isn’t it? Forgive my ignorance.

NeuM

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Then back to rappers, cuz…music. I imagine if i was a rapper, I’d be really pissed about A.I.
I’m thinking about things like losing all credibility if one is suspected of using A.I. as an aid. I don’t listen to rap or immerse myself in that world, but it’s largely egocentric, isn’t it? Forgive my ignorance.

A.I. rappers are the future of rap. And the present.

Blipsford_Baubie

🤨

Anybody with any street creds in here?
Or am i stuck in the 90’s?

@NeuM said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Then back to rappers, cuz…music. I imagine if i was a rapper, I’d be really pissed about A.I.
I’m thinking about things like losing all credibility if one is suspected of using A.I. as an aid. I don’t listen to rap or immerse myself in that world, but it’s largely egocentric, isn’t it? Forgive my ignorance.

A.I. rappers are the future of rap. And the present.

Krupa

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
🤨

Anybody with any street creds in here?
Or am i stuck in the 90’s?

@NeuM said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Then back to rappers, cuz…music. I imagine if i was a rapper, I’d be really pissed about A.I.
I’m thinking about things like losing all credibility if one is suspected of using A.I. as an aid. I don’t listen to rap or immerse myself in that world, but it’s largely egocentric, isn’t it? Forgive my ignorance.

A.I. rappers are the future of rap. And the present.

I’m with you there. It’s such a personally expressive art form that I can’t see anything more pointless than an AI version mimicking it. Not even just cred, like who would give a fig what an algorithmic distillation of noise ends up saying about life😅

AudioGus

@yellow_eyez said:
——pause——-

hey guys. How’s it going ??? I don’t read every post or even every thread but just a quick glance at this one is making me think to remind us Let’s make sure we leave politics , (and allusions to ideologies or whatever, you know what I’m talking about) at the door please

Thank you very much

——unpause———

Yah if people wanna talk politics they can take it here... https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/63253/i-ll-just-leave-this-here#latest

Goldiblockz

@AudioGus said:

@yellow_eyez said:
——pause——-

hey guys. How’s it going ??? I don’t read every post or even every thread but just a quick glance at this one is making me think to remind us Let’s make sure we leave politics , (and allusions to ideologies or whatever, you know what I’m talking about) at the door please

Thank you very much

——unpause———

Yah if people wanna talk politics they can take it here... https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/63253/i-ll-just-leave-this-here#latest

Yeah. There lol.

AudioGus

@Goldiblockz said:

@AudioGus said:

@yellow_eyez said:
——pause——-

hey guys. How’s it going ??? I don’t read every post or even every thread but just a quick glance at this one is making me think to remind us Let’s make sure we leave politics , (and allusions to ideologies or whatever, you know what I’m talking about) at the door please

Thank you very much

——unpause———

Yah if people wanna talk politics they can take it here... https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/63253/i-ll-just-leave-this-here#latest

>

Yeah. There lol.

hah!

RetroNewb

Currently entering the new to me world of building a website on Wordpress.com & I hadn’t realised the level of
AI integration it offers -
whilst it maybe useful for help in building the site , I am concerned with its offer to start blogging on my behalf -
could it be that half the websites & blogs we visit are just AI spewing out generative generalities on a given theme , with a scheduled post twice a day ?
If so I think it should be labelled as such .

(or is this the post I was scheduled to publish today…?)

wim

@Krupa said:
I’m with you there. It’s such a personally expressive art form that I can’t see anything more pointless than an AI version mimicking it. Not even just cred, like who would give a fig what an algorithmic distillation of noise ends up saying about life😅

Well said.

(For the most part) rap is a raw expression of cultural experience, spontaneous and real. There might be some that would consume it absent such genuineness, but ultimately the hollowness of it has to be felt.

It's cringeworthy enough to watch some pampered white person from the suburbs or Hollywood Hills try to be cool rapping some shit someone wrote for them and they practiced enough to imitate a bogus street accent. I can't imagine listening to some regurgitation of lyrics scraped by machines from the internet, no matter how well executed, for long.

Some music is about connection. Some is uncontainable expression of real life. Regurgitated mechanical shit is never going to fully replace that. Creativity will find new ways to burst out and people will connect with it. AI generated stuff will get listened to, but it'll rarely be connected with. Enough will feel like they're connecting to something, ultimately it will be a hollow experience for them.

jwmmakerofmusic

@wim
It's cringeworthy enough to watch some pampered white person from the suburbs or Hollywood Hills try to be cool rapping some shit someone wrote for them and they practiced enough to imitate a bogus street accent.

cough Post Malone cough 😂

In my opinion, there's only one white rapper who's legit - Eminem. That said, hot take here, many people put Em on a pedestal as "The GOAT" and such, but I still say Tupac was a better rapper than Em. That's about as controversial as I'll get, lol.

While I most certainly know how to produce HipHop (from beats to full productions), I know for a fact that I can't rap for 💩. 😆 I mean I know how to rap, but do I want to be the next Poser Malone? No way.

(Although I wonder, if there was an AI rapper, would his name be Hal 9000? 🤣 )

knewspeak

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@wim
It's cringeworthy enough to watch some pampered white person from the suburbs or Hollywood Hills try to be cool rapping some shit someone wrote for them and they practiced enough to imitate a bogus street accent.

cough Post Malone cough 😂

In my opinion, there's only one white rapper who's legit - Eminem. That said, hot take here, many people put Em on a pedestal as "The GOAT" and such, but I still say Tupac was a better rapper than Em. That's about as controversial as I'll get, lol.

While I most certainly know how to produce HipHop (from beats to full productions), I know for a fact that I can't rap for 💩. 😆 I mean I know how to rap, but do I want to be the next Poser Malone? No way.

(Although I wonder, if there was an AI rapper, would his name be Hal 9000? 🤣 )

Eminem had cred, until he lost it lately.

offbrands

@wim said:

@Krupa said:
I’m with you there. It’s such a personally expressive art form that I can’t see anything more pointless than an AI version mimicking it. Not even just cred, like who would give a fig what an algorithmic distillation of noise ends up saying about life😅

Well said.

(For the most part) rap is a raw expression of cultural experience, spontaneous and real. There might be some that would consume it absent such genuineness, but ultimately the hollowness of it has to be felt.

It's cringeworthy enough to watch some pampered white person from the suburbs or Hollywood Hills try to be cool rapping some shit someone wrote for them and they practiced enough to imitate a bogus street accent. I can't imagine listening to some regurgitation of lyrics scraped by machines from the internet, no matter how well executed, for long.

Some music is about connection. Some is uncontainable expression of real life. Regurgitated mechanical shit is never going to fully replace that. Creativity will find new ways to burst out and people will connect with it. AI generated stuff will get listened to, but it'll rarely be connected with. Enough will feel like they're connecting to something, ultimately it will be a hollow experience for them.

Well said, @wim - Really enjoyed this take.

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@wim
It's cringeworthy enough to watch some pampered white person from the suburbs or Hollywood Hills try to be cool rapping some shit someone wrote for them and they practiced enough to imitate a bogus street accent.

cough Post Malone cough 😂

In my opinion, there's only one white rapper who's legit - Eminem. That said, hot take here, many people put Em on a pedestal as "The GOAT" and such, but I still say Tupac was a better rapper than Em. That's about as controversial as I'll get, lol.

Biggie showed flashes of being a better story teller than the both of them imo
Sad those young men didn’t get more time out of life.

Svetlovska

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Then back to rappers, cuz…music. I imagine if i was a rapper, I’d be really pissed about A.I.
I’m thinking about things like losing all credibility if one is suspected of using A.I. as an aid. I don’t listen to rap or immerse myself in that world, but it’s largely egocentric, isn’t it? Forgive my ignorance.

How is rap responding to AI? I don’t think these guys are worried about losing their credibility to AI…

jwmmakerofmusic

@offbrands

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@wim
It's cringeworthy enough to watch some pampered white person from the suburbs or Hollywood Hills try to be cool rapping some shit someone wrote for them and they practiced enough to imitate a bogus street accent.

cough Post Malone cough 😂

In my opinion, there's only one white rapper who's legit - Eminem. That said, hot take here, many people put Em on a pedestal as "The GOAT" and such, but I still say Tupac was a better rapper than Em. That's about as controversial as I'll get, lol.

Biggie showed flashes of being a better story teller than the both of them imo
Sad those young men didn’t get more time out of life.

☝️ This too. Tupac and Biggie were legends and still are posthumously.

offbrands

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@offbrands

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@wim
It's cringeworthy enough to watch some pampered white person from the suburbs or Hollywood Hills try to be cool rapping some shit someone wrote for them and they practiced enough to imitate a bogus street accent.

cough Post Malone cough 😂

In my opinion, there's only one white rapper who's legit - Eminem. That said, hot take here, many people put Em on a pedestal as "The GOAT" and such, but I still say Tupac was a better rapper than Em. That's about as controversial as I'll get, lol.

Biggie showed flashes of being a better story teller than the both of them imo
Sad those young men didn’t get more time out of life.

☝️ This too. Tupac and Biggie were legends and still are posthumously.

It’s fair to give these men grace considering their achievements within their respective short lifetimes, though it’s easy to evangelize artists in general, especially the young ones who pass much far too soon.

Hard to parse for me. Fame, the game, all of it. Often people who crave fame, power, influence, over a long enough timeline, find a way to let you down.

Slam_Cut

I recently tried to create some AI still art on Canva and found it was not easy to achieve what I wanted. There is a skill to directing AI to create what you want. Since I don’t work in that field, I won’t put in the time and will just get out my trusty pencil & paper.

Based on that experience, I wouldn’t bother with AI music. I don’t know what I want when I start composing, so what am I going to tell AI to create? I have to play around with sounds and find something that I like well-enough to continue developing. And if AI is creating better music than I create, so what? No one will care enough to listen to my music anyway. I do it for myself. And if I am not creating it, why will I care about it?

seonnthaproducer

@Slam_Cut said:
I recently tried to create some AI still art on Canva and found it was not easy to achieve what I wanted. There is a skill to directing AI to create what you want. Since I don’t work in that field, I won’t put in the time and will just get out my trusty pencil & paper.

Based on that experience, I wouldn’t bother with AI music. I don’t know what I want when I start composing, so what am I going to tell AI to create? I have to play around with sounds and find something that I like well-enough to continue developing. And if AI is creating better music than I create, so what? No one will care enough to listen to my music anyway. I do it for myself. And if I am not creating it, why will I care about it?

I don’t know...Suno is pretty incredible in what it can do.

BITCRUSHER

Using Ai is self sabotaging. This is an intelligence that learns as it goes and someday soon u won’t need musicians. Take pride in every single facet of making music and do all the grunt work yourself (not sure what is so grunty about making and recording music, if find it fascinating and fun). Music used to be live instruments and microphones. Not sure why the world embraces this, and music is becoming very lame because of it…at least the mainstream.

Slam_Cut

From all accounts it is amazing. I don’t want to risk removing the fun I have “solving the puzzle” of creating music I like. It would be like having AI solve al crossword puzzles for you (maybe not a great analogy since I don’t do crossword puzzles). I have at least 5 albums that I have composed and was waiting for some free time in my life to clear up so I could focus on mastering and releasing, promotion, etc. Now I really feel like “why bother?” There is so much music released that each song is like a drop in an ocean of anonymity, but with AI that ocean has become the vast universe. Artists that already have a fan base will survive, but creating a new fan base has just become nearly impossible. I’m left with a desire to drive my Chevy to the levee to see if the levee is dry.

AI music will make it much harder for indie artists to make a living, and quite likely those who will earn the most money from AI music are established acts and lawyers, whose legal arguments will probably be AI generated. The future may be full of AI generated novels, music videos, films, etc., but the risk is that artists stop trying and audiences stop caring. It’ll become mass-generated white noise in the background of the collapse of civilization. I would like to flesh out that idea, but AI has likely already created a novel, screen play and film based in it. I’ll put my pencil back down.

BITCRUSHER

Word…

NeuM

@seonnthaproducer said:

@Slam_Cut said:
I recently tried to create some AI still art on Canva and found it was not easy to achieve what I wanted. There is a skill to directing AI to create what you want. Since I don’t work in that field, I won’t put in the time and will just get out my trusty pencil & paper.

Based on that experience, I wouldn’t bother with AI music. I don’t know what I want when I start composing, so what am I going to tell AI to create? I have to play around with sounds and find something that I like well-enough to continue developing. And if AI is creating better music than I create, so what? No one will care enough to listen to my music anyway. I do it for myself. And if I am not creating it, why will I care about it?

I don’t know...Suno is pretty incredible in what it can do.

I’ve used all of the main services (and a few obscure ones) and I find the quality of generations is much, much higher with Udio. No comparison. Have you used and compared?

Blipsford_Baubie

@Svetlovska said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Then back to rappers, cuz…music. I imagine if i was a rapper, I’d be really pissed about A.I.
I’m thinking about things like losing all credibility if one is suspected of using A.I. as an aid. I don’t listen to rap or immerse myself in that world, but it’s largely egocentric, isn’t it? Forgive my ignorance.

How is rap responding to AI? I don’t think these guys are worried about losing their credibility to AI…

Haha! I hope to age gracefully as them.