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  • SergiuSergiu

    Yep, that’s the way, but it won’t map , yet! I’m interested in midi cc mapping too! If you long press the knob, after is in receiving mode…it pops “ midi cc locked/ unlocked “ …don’t know exactly what’s that! > @Blipsford_Baubie said:

    I just discovered this by accident. The dialog window popped up when i touched Midi Learn in Settings. Woot-woot!

    Maybe this has already been mentioned in one of Doug‘s videos or perhaps Leo’s, dunno, i haven’t watched all them yet, but i didn’t recall seeing it here, so I figured I’d share.

  • cuscolimacuscolima

    Is Ableton link working for anyone ? I’m stuck here…

  • Blipsford_BaubieBlipsford_Baubie
    edited February 4

    Interesting @Sergiu , but mapping did work for me. I managed to map cc20 to the EQ mid knob insert effect. I’m sending it via BT from an outdated ipad mini. Are you tapping at the top where it’s blinking when you’re done mapping? (Where you’re project name would be.)
    I noticed locked too, and an option to remove mapping. I’m also wondering what lock is.

  • wimwim
    edited February 4

    @cuscolima said:
    Is Ableton link working for anyone ? I’m stuck here…

    Check in device settings that you enabled network permissions. Link won’t work without even on the same device. It works here, but I was careful to answer yes when asked on the first app startup.

  • ChimmyChungaFaceChimmyChungaFace

    I’m saying this cautiously…. Only because I haven’t explored everything this app has to offer…. But this feels like a masterpiece. Thank you for making it Jim Audio.

  • EschatoneEschatone

    @wim said:

    @Edo9330 said:
    another thing I don't understand is this workflow of having to access the clip menu, hold down and tell it to edit in order to modify it. couldn't it do it automatically, like drambo? if the clip has not been created it creates it automatically, if it has already been created, it modifies the clip of the selected part.

    double-tap on a clip opens the editor. A little easier, I guess.
    That workflow is not so bad once you get used to it, but really seems like a kludge at first.

    certain things seem so little sense to me that without the manual in hand I wonder if I'm missing something.

    If your experience is like mine then you certainly are. I think I have most of those uncovered at this point, but you never know what you don't know eh?

    (btw, I wonder how many people have noticed the microscopic little > that is next to invisible on the default dark keyboard. It displays pitch and mod wheels and another tiny little hamburger menu for setting keyboard size and scale lock mode. Man, that is some clever hiding of important details right there.)

    And i don t under stand how make automation 😅

    Move a knob while recording to make a the parameter show up. Then you can edit and draw what you like.
    Cubasis pioneered that design gem. I never did like it.

    Wow. Lotta sarcasm right now from me. It's good natured on my part, though I'm sure it doesn't come off that way. I'm far more pleased with GR-2 than I expected to be now that I've spent enough time with it.

    Also, double tap on empty clip placeholder to make new clip. When in piano roll editor, the menu with 3 lines at the top has useful controls for quickly doubling length of your clip “i.e. Duplicate loop”

    There’s a lot of helpful shift functions in the editor: Shift + the velocity slider will stagger the velocity of your selection. (Great for Hihats velocity ramps) .. Shift + move notes/change length will allow you to ignore snap to grid setting. (or it’ll snap to grid if the snap setting is turned off)

  • EschatoneEschatone

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    Double tap clip to open editor, use the selection tool to select your entire chord and then on the sidebar menu that pops up on the right, there’s a slider at the top with a percentage sign — change to one of the probability functions, which will apply to your entire selection.

  • dendydendy

    @jimpavloff

    Probably bug ? Or at least weird behaviour. When i map more pareameters to same knob on HW midi controller (let's say layer 1 cutoff and layer 2 cutoff), an then i switch somewhere else - tweaking of HW knob affects just second mapped knobs - to affect first one i need to go into that layer... i woould expect simply all mapped knobs are changing value based on tweakd midi controller knob simultaneously ..

  • wimwim

    @dendy said:
    @jimpavloff

    Probably bug ? Or at least weird behaviour. When i map more pareameters to same knob on HW midi controller (let's say layer 1 cutoff and layer 2 cutoff), an then i switch somewhere else - tweaking of HW knob affects just second mapped knobs - to affect first one i need to go into that layer... i woould expect simply all mapped knobs are changing value based on tweakd midi controller knob simultaneously ..

    You might wanna email him…

  • EschatoneEschatone

    @janpieter said:
    anyone have experience with the microtuning possibilities yet?
    i can't find out how to (negatively/in a downward way) adjust the master tuning (scale tuning in GR2?)

    In the gear menu at the top left of the oscillator/sampler editors, the master scale tuning knob seems to always default to +100. So, would decreasing it below +100 cents produce the same negative tuning result, relatively speaking?

    GR2 is the first app I’ve ever messed with microtuning settings, so I’m just learning by experimentation atm.

  • EschatoneEschatone
    edited February 4

    GR2 is growing on me more every day. There’s so much to explore with the synth/samplers alone. The possibilities seem endless once you start loading up some Adventure Kid single cycle waveforms (using the (start > loop) setting), Serum wavetables, and various SF2 banks, layering to your heart’s content.

    If only we could assign two or three custom destinations for the LFOs and envelopes, it’d be near perfect.

  • PxlhgPxlhg

    Nah, this does not work for me. I don't know why I thought it would but words like "DAW" drew me in. It's a little too much money for just support but, I will as an act of consistency also delete: BAM, Prism, GR-16 and Bleass Groovebox ... to start with.

    Not being able to import midi is such a bad omission, he does call it a daw and I'm sure it will come but for now, I leave it to you who know your stuff around these things. So impressed with Dendy, keep it up bro!

    Back to the drawing board...

  • dendydendy

    @wim said:

    @dendy said:
    @jimpavloff

    Probably bug ? Or at least weird behaviour. When i map more pareameters to same knob on HW midi controller (let's say layer 1 cutoff and layer 2 cutoff), an then i switch somewhere else - tweaking of HW knob affects just second mapped knobs - to affect first one i need to go into that layer... i woould expect simply all mapped knobs are changing value based on tweakd midi controller knob simultaneously ..

    You might wanna email him…

    thanks, done.

  • dendydendy

    Any tips where to download interesting wavetables for GR's WT synth ?

  • drewinnitdrewinnit
    edited February 4

    @Eschatone said:

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    Double tap clip to open editor, use the selection tool to select your entire chord and then on the sidebar menu that pops up on the right, there’s a slider at the top with a percentage sign — change to one of the probability functions, which will apply to your entire selection.

    thanks - while this applies the same % to each note at the same time, the notes are still treated individually for probability purposes :)
    they're not treated as a unit for playback. so for a triad on any cycle 0-3 of the notes might sound....
    earlier discussion in thread settled on sampling chords as best way forward for now

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    @dendy said:
    Any tips where to download interesting wavetables for GR's WT synth ?

    https://cymatics.fm/blogs/production/ultimate-list-free-serum-wavetables

  • dendydendy

    @drewinnit said:

    @dendy said:
    Any tips where to download interesting wavetables for GR's WT synth ?

    https://cymatics.fm/blogs/production/ultimate-list-free-serum-wavetables

    cool thanks !

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    @Eschatone said:
    If only we could assign two or three custom destinations for the LFOs and envelopes, it’d be near perfect.

    agreed, this is the weakest spot of the app for me
    i really like to use a lot more diverse modulation

  • SergiuSergiu

    It was an auv3 I tried to map> @Blipsford_Baubie said:

    Interesting @Sergiu , but mapping did work for me. I managed to map cc20 to the EQ mid knob insert effect. I’m sending it via BT from an outdated ipad mini. Are you tapping at the top where it’s blinking when you’re done mapping? (Where you’re project name would be.)
    I noticed locked too, and an option to remove mapping. I’m also wondering what lock is.

  • OnfraySinOnfraySin
    edited February 4

    It seems that, finally, the discussion about GR2 doing things that were impossible in Ableton Live was true… The escape room-style game mode, based on trial and error, is not implemented in Ableton Live.

    I’m carefully reading all the posts during these first days, and as I expected, the DAW approach on an iPad causes more headaches than solutions, and the solutions are too ad-hoc.

  • Michael_R_GrantMichael_R_Grant
    edited February 4

    I would like part labels to be shown in more places than the song screen. If you label a part, it would be nice to have the option to see it in the left-right selection above the pads, for example. It can be hard to remember what each individual part is when you have a few set up, so if I label one 'BASS', that's a name that it would be handy to see in as many places as possible.

  • SzklakSzklak

    @tk32 said:
    What I don't agree with is the instincts of some users on this forum to begin listing their personal take on its strengths and shortcomings only 2 days after release -- no matter how intensively they used it over this launch weekend! Even if you think you've discovered this app doesn't work well (for you!) you don't need to share or debate these personal preferences here. They should remain private.

    Not sure how you can say that on a music app discussion forum. This is exactly why I'm here: I want to know what both power and normal users think about ios music apps, what they like, what grinds their gears and what little tricks and workarounds they come up with to overcome the current software limitations.
    Without a demo being offered to us this is the main thing allowing me to make an educated decision before buying. I know it's been only a few days since the release and I obviously take it into consideration when reading people's comments. Everyone can think for themselves and there's absolutely no need for self-censoring opinions if they're honest and not stated in a rude manner.

    Promotional YT videos made by people who very often can't even put together a half-decent-sounding jam/draft are definitely not enough for me and I really really hope nobody takes your advice. It is a discussion forum after all.

  • tk32tk32
    edited February 4

    @Szklak said:
    Not sure how you can say that on a music app discussion forum. This is exactly why I'm here: I want to know what both power and normal users think about ios music apps, what they like, what grinds their gears and what little tricks and workarounds they come up with to overcome the current software limitations.

    I fumbled the wording of my original post. I was attempting to specifically address the kind of rapid judgments which often get made about new apps before the community have had a chance to (A) fully understand the designer's vision and design choices, (B) allow the inevitable launch bugs to be fixed, (C) wait for the full manual, and (D) have a range of tutorial YT vids out in the wilderness. It didn't feel fair for established users here to be critiquing such a complex app like this after such a short time (2 days post launch).

    I wasn't trying to suggest (and wouldn't suggest) that people on this forum should not be sharing their personal opinions here - I agree that would be stupid - and would make me sound stupid. But that is kinda what I wrote, in haste :)

  • Michael_R_GrantMichael_R_Grant

    Yep, I agree that constructive feedback - both positive and negative - is good for discussion. And sometimes there will be things that CAN be done already that users are unaware of, so if these aren't listed as 'missing' features then those users can never be enlightened!

  • EschatoneEschatone
    edited February 4

    @drewinnit said:

    @Eschatone said:

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    Double tap clip to open editor, use the selection tool to select your entire chord and then on the sidebar menu that pops up on the right, there’s a slider at the top with a percentage sign — change to one of the probability functions, which will apply to your entire selection.

    thanks - while this applies the same % to each note at the same time, the notes are still treated individually for probability purposes :)
    they're not treated as a unit for playback. so for a triad on any cycle 0-3 of the notes might sound....
    earlier discussion in thread settled on sampling chords as best way forward for now

    I haven’t tested it yet, but another thing that might work would be to have a ghost note right ahead of your chord, set the probably percentage value you want on the ghost note, and then use the “Prev” trig condition on all your chord notes.

    Though maybe it’d even work if you skipped the ghost note and just set the % value for the highest note in the chord and “Prev” for the rest. Pretty sure chord grouping is what the Prev variable is intended for.

  • EschatoneEschatone

    @drewinnit said:

    @dendy said:
    Any tips where to download interesting wavetables for GR's WT synth ?

    https://cymatics.fm/blogs/production/ultimate-list-free-serum-wavetables

    Unfortunately most of those no longer work… but this huge pack linked here netted me 1700
    Tables, more than I could ever use.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/2jhew1/1700_waveforms_for_serums_wavetable_download_link/

    I couldn’t get GR2’s wavetable synth to load any wavetable nested in folders, which is an odd omission, considering folders work in the sampler. So for now I’m having to throw everything together in the tables folder.

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    @Eschatone said:

    @drewinnit said:

    @Eschatone said:

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    Double tap clip to open editor, use the selection tool to select your entire chord and then on the sidebar menu that pops up on the right, there’s a slider at the top with a percentage sign — change to one of the probability functions, which will apply to your entire selection.

    thanks - while this applies the same % to each note at the same time, the notes are still treated individually for probability purposes :)
    they're not treated as a unit for playback. so for a triad on any cycle 0-3 of the notes might sound....
    earlier discussion in thread settled on sampling chords as best way forward for now

    I haven’t tested it yet, but another thing that might work would be to have a ghost note right ahead of your chord, set the probably percentage value you want on the ghost note, and then use the “Prev” trig condition on all your chord notes.

    Though maybe it’d even work if you skipped the ghost note and just set the % value for the highest note in the chord and “Prev” for the rest. Pretty sure chord grouping is what the Prev variable is intended for.

    aaaaah very clever, i like that approach. will try the Prev condition method tonight- thanks!

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @Eschatone said:

    @drewinnit said:

    @Eschatone said:

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    @drewinnit said:
    any tips for how to change the probability of a chord collectively rather than each individual note?

    Double tap clip to open editor, use the selection tool to select your entire chord and then on the sidebar menu that pops up on the right, there’s a slider at the top with a percentage sign — change to one of the probability functions, which will apply to your entire selection.

    thanks - while this applies the same % to each note at the same time, the notes are still treated individually for probability purposes :)
    they're not treated as a unit for playback. so for a triad on any cycle 0-3 of the notes might sound....
    earlier discussion in thread settled on sampling chords as best way forward for now

    I haven’t tested it yet, but another thing that might work would be to have a ghost note right ahead of your chord, set the probably percentage value you want on the ghost note, and then use the “Prev” trig condition on all your chord notes.

    Though maybe it’d even work if you skipped the ghost note and just set the % value for the highest note in the chord and “Prev” for the rest. Pretty sure chord grouping is what the Prev variable is intended for.

    oh if this works not need to setup a ghost note, just slide one note of the chord a tiny bit early and you could use that. Good thinking!

  • ColoobarColoobar

    @Eschatone said:

    @drewinnit said:

    @dendy said:
    Any tips where to download interesting wavetables for GR's WT synth ?

    https://cymatics.fm/blogs/production/ultimate-list-free-serum-wavetables

    Unfortunately most of those no longer work… but this huge pack linked here netted me 1700
    Tables, more than I could ever use.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/2jhew1/1700_waveforms_for_serums_wavetable_download_link/

    I couldn’t get GR2’s wavetable synth to load any wavetable nested in folders, which is an odd omission, considering folders work in the sampler. So for now I’m having to throw everything together in the tables folder.

    Cool you got it working... I already have SO many good wavetable synths on iOS, I don't think it's even worth messing with the built-in one (Synthmaster One, Waldorf Microwave, Butter Synth, etc.). Hopefully Korg will add auv3 support to iWavestation soon as well.

  • cuscolimacuscolima

    @wim said:

    @cuscolima said:
    Is Ableton link working for anyone ? I’m stuck here…

    Check in device settings that you enabled network permissions. Link won’t work without even on the same device. It works here, but I was careful to answer yes when asked on the first app startup.

    Thanks but how can I do that? Where is it on my iPad? If I check GRII on the general Settings, there is nothing like the possibility to turn network permission on or off...

    Ableton link works well on all my other apps (AUM, etc) so I don't think it is a global parameter...

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