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Jim Audio Groove Rider 2 - RELEASED

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  • DhamDham

    @Eschatone said:

    @Dham said:

    @Eschatone said:

    @Dham said:
    I'm really digging GR2 so far after purchasing it last night. It was tricky getting GR16 patterns to work. The trick is to have GR2 set to an empty pattern slot prior to importing. I exported all of the patterns/banks from GR16 but GR2 is unable to import them so for now it is a tedious 1 at a time affair.

    Searching through the forums I came across this: > @Sequencer1 said:

    @reasOne said:
    i still don’t have this app, but i love groove boxes and have the electribe in my studio..
    all the demos i see of gr16 are mostly faster techno/house/dub tracks, im curious how this holds up to slower, softer downtempo music, long pads and arps... minimal percussion

    GR16 is basically a 'reverse-engineered' Electribe 2/2S with some added Elektron sequencer tricks, a bit of Serum... tightest sync on iOS too. You might love it, if you like your Electribe. Runs well on my old iPad Mini 2, too.

    So what does that make GR2?😊

    It seems like something broke with the last GR2 update. Exporting GR-16 patterns worked flawlessly for me right after release. Now it loads GR2 but nothing is transferred.
    Fortunately, I got all my favorite patterns copied over already but this might be a problem for others.

    Exporting 1 pattern at a time works fine 1, but the full GR16 bank export file does not import into GR2.

    Not here. Even 1 pattern a time no longer works on mine. :(

    I export from GR16 to Files, make sure I select New (pattern) in GR2, then Share the exported file to GR2 from the Files app.

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @wim said:

    @wim said:

    @eross said:
    can you record audio directly into the sampler? if so, is it ipad mic only?

    You can record from the mic or any audio interface your device recognizes.

    You can also record from other hosts by using the Loopback plugin from KQ Voice Plugins Suite.

    Nice!

    I found a workaround to change the color of a clip on the timeline.

    Just drag it to another part that has the color you want and consolidate it there, it will become the color of the other part, then drag it back and you are done

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @Eschatone said:

    @wim said:

    @dendy said:
    this is annoying, downloaded all kinds of serum wavetable files and no matter which one i try import, i get error that it is not compatible .. for what is good to have wavetable synth when it has no single one wavetable by default and almost none works for import :-/

    Are they in subfolders?
    I've only tried the Adventure Kid 2048+ wavetables and they work fine as long as they're not in sub-folders.

    His single cycles are also great fun to use in the GR2 sampler, which fortunately supports subfolders. Hopefully the wavetable bug is fixed soon — it’s unmanageable dealing with 1000+ tables in the same folder. :pensive:

    I was going to dig out my collections of wavetables that I haven’t touched in quite a while, but it’s certainly going to be a pain to use them as they’re spread across multiple subfolders. Definitely would love to see that fixed too.

  • erosseross

    @wim said:

    @wim said:

    @eross said:
    can you record audio directly into the sampler? if so, is it ipad mic only?

    You can record from the mic or any audio interface your device recognizes.

    You can also record from other hosts by using the Loopback plugin from KQ Voice Plugins Suite.

    where do you put the loopback plugin in GR2, so it can be recorded by the sampler?

  • wimwim
    edited February 5

    @eross said:

    @wim said:

    @wim said:

    @eross said:
    can you record audio directly into the sampler? if so, is it ipad mic only?

    You can record from the mic or any audio interface your device recognizes.

    You can also record from other hosts by using the Loopback plugin from KQ Voice Plugins Suite.

    where do you put the loopback plugin in GR2, so it can be recorded by the sampler?

    In any layer. In the sampler set the recording source to the layer # that has Loopback Out on it.

    In the other DAW, Loopback In goes in the FX slot of the channel you want to record.

  • kajitokenkakajitokenka

    I was about to post a question about the "Print Midi Here" feature that a few forum members mentioned earlier, but I found the answer before embarrassing myself. In case anyone else was having the same problem, I just wanted to explain that you won't see the "Print Midi Here" option in the Clip view unless: A) You stop the transport; and B) You have a sequencer like Rozeta Bassline loaded as a Midi FX layer. Note also that you won't see the "Print Midi Here" option if the Midi FX layer is switched off. Loving GR2 so far!!

  • kinkujinkinkujin

    Sign me up for a manual - I’m friggin lost.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @kinkujin said:
    Sign me up for a manual - I’m friggin lost.

    Same here, lol. I took to some of the basics just fine, but I want to rtfm. Wish the manual was released same time as the app. 😂 Although I do understand Mr. Pavloff is a one man act. And what he's created is nothing short of amazing. Really is the ultimate performance tool.

  • anicktanickt

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @kinkujin said:
    Sign me up for a manual - I’m friggin lost.

    Same here, lol. I took to some of the basics just fine, but I want to rtfm. Wish the manual was released same time as the app. 😂 Although I do understand Mr. Pavloff is a one man act. And what he's created is nothing short of amazing. Really is the ultimate performance tool.

    I was lost too but Doug’s and the Sound For More videos on YouTube helped me see some things I was missing.

  • dendydendy

    @ChrisG said:

    @dendy said:
    this is annoying, downloaded all kinds of serum wavetable files and no matter which one i try import, i get error that it is not compatible .. for what is good to have wavetable synth when it has no single one wavetable by default and almost none works for import :-/

    Browse -> Bank A -> Wavetables

    There are around 45 included wavetables.

    oo cool, got it, thanks !!

  • ChimmyChungaFaceChimmyChungaFace

    Tried to import a wavetable, got a message that said it could not be imported because it was not in the Serum format, so what is the Serum format?

  • wimwim

    Serum is a wavetable synth and its wave table format is the most widely used. If you scroll up the thread some you should find some good links to sites with lots of them.

  • dendydendy
    edited February 5

    @ChimmyChungaFace said:
    Tried to import a wavetable, got a message that said it could not be imported because it was not in the Serum format, so what is the Serum format?

    same happened to me - dowloaded tons and tons of serum wavetables from all kinds of sources - NONE of them was working, always same error about unsupported format, so i gave up ..

    would be nice if somebody can share real link into some which actually works.

    @wim
    Serum is a wavetable synth and its wave table format is the most widely used. If you scroll up the thread some you should find some good links to sites with lots of them.

    Unfortunately, nothing what was posted earlier worked for me. Tried multiple downloads, registered on multiple mailing lists to receive links (which was mandatory on some links), spend maybe half hour of trying but everything i downloaded and tried ended same way - unsupported format (yes, i tried to load just single file, not entire folders)

  • dendydendy

    @dendy said:

    Probably bug ? Or at least weird behaviour. When i map more pareameters to same knob on HW midi controller (let's say layer 1 cutoff and layer 2 cutoff), an then i switch somewhere else - tweaking of HW knob affects just second mapped knobs - to affect first one i need to go into that layer... i woould expect simply all mapped knobs are changing value based on tweakd midi controller knob simultaneously ..

    Had e-mail exchange with Jim.. just going to summarize it here in case somebody will deal with same problem

    • you can map midi hw knob into multiple knobs across more layers, however only the one on currently ACTIVE layer is affected when you tweak kob on controller
    • when you are in lear mode (shift + double tap on knob), you can tap on kbob and choose "lock to layer" - then that kbob will be controlled by midi knob even if layer is not active - but in that case it is locked always just to last knob where you selected "lock" mode - so again you can control multiple parameters from more layers this way

    Also Jim gave me hit i can control multiple parameters from different layers by MOD WHEEL but i didn't find way how to select which parremeters are controlled by mod wheel (by default it's routed to LFO). If anybody was sucessfull in setting what modwheel should map, let me know.

    I wrote to Jim also idea of some set of "macro knobs", hope one day he will implement it, currently this inability to control multiple parameters from more layers by one hw knob is major limitation for live performance (which was my main use case for this app, unfortunatelly :((

  • SamuSamu

    I've found that the most reliable way to import/batch-import any file-type is to use the Files.app and put the files into the respective file-type folders in the GrooveRider II folder.

    For some SF2's which do have loops on the samples the loop-data is not (yet?) properly imported.

  • EschatoneEschatone

    SFM has a new tutorial up, covering GR2 instruments:

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @anickt said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @kinkujin said:
    Sign me up for a manual - I’m friggin lost.

    Same here, lol. I took to some of the basics just fine, but I want to rtfm. Wish the manual was released same time as the app. 😂 Although I do understand Mr. Pavloff is a one man act. And what he's created is nothing short of amazing. Really is the ultimate performance tool.

    I was lost too but Doug’s and the Sound For More videos on YouTube helped me see some things I was missing.

    I'll probably rewatch again a third time soon. Meanwhile, our good friend @sfm has a new one all about instruments. ☺️ That should help demystify some things for me.

  • ChimmyChungaFaceChimmyChungaFace

    @dendy said:
    would be nice if somebody can share real link into some which actually works.

    I tried a couple from this link:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/2jhew1/1700_waveforms_for_serums_wavetable_download_link/
    And they worked. 2nd version (** NEW LINK ** as of 10/31/15). Don't know if they all work though.
    Apparently the "Serum format" has something coded in them that makes them different from "generic" wavetables. Wish you could just load generic ones. :'(

  • Michael_R_GrantMichael_R_Grant
    edited February 5

    @ChimmyChungaFace said:

    @dendy said:
    would be nice if somebody can share real link into some which actually works.

    I tried a couple from this link:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/2jhew1/1700_waveforms_for_serums_wavetable_download_link/
    And they worked. 2nd version (** NEW LINK ** as of 10/31/15). Don't know if they all work though.
    Apparently the "Serum format" has something coded in them that makes them different from "generic" wavetables. Wish you could just load generic ones. :'(

    I've loaded the ones from Animoog (in the big download) into Grooverider 2 and they work just fine. I'm probably not going to load everything from the reddit link until I find out from Jim whether he's going to end up supporting nested folders, as it will be completely unmanageable otherwise.

  • drewinnitdrewinnit
    edited February 5

    .> @wim said:

    @reezygle said:

    @wim said:
    Insert FX per Drumkit part would be nice. Who generally wants all the same FX on a whole kit??

    I do for MIDI Fx.

    I use Drum Computer and map each drum computer track to a drum in the gr 2 drum track. I can do it with having each drum sound on a different part. IMO it would be more efficient to do it all in a single drum kit part vs creating a separate part for each drum sound.

    Sorry, I probably didn't explain very well.

    A part can have a Drum Rack layer with 16 different drum hits in the single part, which is very nice to have. However, if you want to, say, have reverb on only the snare, or delay on only the hats, you can't do it. Insert FX are applied to all of the samples in that layer. That severely limits the usefulness of the Drum Rack part type.

    Sure, I can eat up additional Parts for individual hits, but that defeats the purpose of the Drum Rack part type and also makes sequencing far more cumbersome.

    maybe you figured this out already, but each drum channel of a drum rack can choose which of the 3 IFX it can send to (use Parallel to get 3 individual fx per drum rack). This isn’t a complete fix as sends are universal across all channels but does add a little bit more control for each drum channel of a rack

    Works the same for a Pure Acid drum rack

  • cokomairenacokomairena
    edited February 5

    We really need reverb on the IFX options

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    Some random thoughts after more playing about:

    Am i missing something or is it not better to load Poison as an AUv3 and get full control rather than the native mini-version which seems very limited?

    Would love it if automation lanes had an independent clip length, might help make up for the simple LFO.

    Re: the LFO, good that there’s the option to choose which IFX it affects but why only the first knob of each (and for the compressor it won't even automate the first knob as it is threshold so wouldn't make sense, then why not let it automate another knob for threshold?)? Kinda frustrating. Needs a drop down menu to choose which IFX knob you’d actually like to affect.

    Also would be good if the envelope ADSR knobs could be LFO targets too. Then again, with only one LFO the more targets you have from a single source the less diverse your modulation will be as they're all following the same shape/speed :/

  • drewinnitdrewinnit
    edited February 5

    @cokomairena said:
    We really need reverb on the IFX options

    absolutely! I am compiling a list of polite requests which I will send once I gather enough (and also "proof-read" my requests as I spend more time with the app to make sure they truly are needed and I'm not overlooking something)

    and to add, it wouldn't have to be all the fancy Shimmer etc reverbs. Just a room/plate reverb that can add a bit of space to things

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @drewinnit you can have 3 lfo per part, just open two extra empty layers (I use an empty sampler)

  • drewinnitdrewinnit
    edited February 5

    @cokomairena said:
    @drewinnit you can have 3 lfo per part, just open two extra empty layers (I use an empty sampler)

    thanks dude but can't each LFO only affect the layer it is on? how does that help if the layer is empty and not making a sound?

    Part 1 - synth on layer 1, LFO on filter and pitch
    part 1 - sampler as empty layer 2, how can the LFO of this layer affect layer 1?

    (still getting my head around this)

    I'm sure i'm overlooking something which is why my list of requests will go through some testing - would rather look silly on the forum here than waste Jim's valuable time :D

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @drewinnit said:

    @cokomairena said:
    @drewinnit you can have 3 lfo per part, just open two extra empty layers (I use an empty sampler)

    thanks dude but can't each LFO only affect the layer it is on? how does that help if the layer is empty and not making a sound?

    yes, but I was talking about the IFX, that's "global", so you might one to use your only LFO to affect your sound, but you have two extra to affect the IFX of your choice

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    @cokomairena said:

    @drewinnit said:

    @cokomairena said:
    @drewinnit you can have 3 lfo per part, just open two extra empty layers (I use an empty sampler)

    thanks dude but can't each LFO only affect the layer it is on? how does that help if the layer is empty and not making a sound?

    yes, but I was talking about the IFX, that's "global", so you might one to use your only LFO to affect your sound, but you have two extra to affect the IFX of your choice

    gotcha - that is true and something I had overlooked. thank you!

    still feel we need a bit more of a robust LFO/modulation system though :)

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    Yeah it's not obvious, there are a lot of things that are being limited by design...

    Same thing in Gr-16, I hated having only one IFX with ONLY ONE PARAMETER, now I have 3 with 2 or 3 parameters and I'm frustrated again... We always want a little more... Maybe we need to sit down and focus and accept some limitations.

    I'm still asking for reverb on the ifx list tho lol

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    haha yes, the thing is that with GR2 I actually wanted the limitations....and then got fed up that they weren't the limitations I expected :D

    you're spot on, at some point I'll need to accept it is what it is, and then roll my sleeves up and start making tunes with it ;)

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @drewinnit said:
    haha yes, the thing is that with GR2 I actually wanted the limitations....and then got fed up that they weren't the limitations I expected :D

    you're spot on, at some point I'll need to accept it is what it is, and then roll my sleeves up and start making tunes with it ;)

    lol I think this is actually why Jim made GR-16 in the first place, his software always feel as a custom made solution for his use case and we just get to ride along...

    The option is to learn to program and make our own lol

    With all that said, GR2 is still an amazing music making app and I'm sure it will improve over time

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