President Musk - how's it going USA?

knewspeak

@McD said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
He thinks the other country pays the tariff but the buyer (here in the US) must pay the tariff.

Surely when the price of everything goes up the voters will turn on him?

During the election he promised voters lower prices but he might just give them a recession instead.

Mid-term elections (in about 20 months time) should be interesting.

There is an empowered reckless about Trump this time. And the powers that could put him in check have been co-opted.

He will need to be restrained if not outright blocked by elections. Mid-terms and beyond since like any good dictator he will never give up power willingly.

The resistance will grow and start to organize around leaders that step forward with compelling framing for these overreaches.

I was looking forward to solid action to control our deficits but only using tools that maintain order, stability and a return to the rule of law.

I wouldn’t say all has been co-opted just yet, are tariffs a form of taxation, if so that power lays with the Congress, so they may yet have the final decision if the Supreme Court passes the authority to them.

Isn’t this outcome still possible?

JeffChasteen

@Simon said:

@McD said:
He will need to be restrained if not outright blocked by elections. Mid-terms and beyond since like any good dictator he will never give up power willingly.

When his term is up, in 4 years time, he will be a physical and mental wreck.

Presumably there are a lot of ambitious Republicans who want him to move on so they have a chance at the White House.

He doesn’t exercise, has already had at least one stroke, and eats shit. He will be wormfood in 4 years time.

knewspeak

@JeffChasteen said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
He will need to be restrained if not outright blocked by elections. Mid-terms and beyond since like any good dictator he will never give up power willingly.

When his term is up, in 4 years time, he will be a physical and mental wreck.

Presumably there are a lot of ambitious Republicans who want him to move on so they have a chance at the White House.

He doesn’t exercise, has already had at least one stroke, and eats shit. He will be wormfood in 4 years time.

Sadly Millions may also join him because of the consequences of the corrupt governance of the world.

knewspeak

Meanwhile here in the UK the police state further consolidates its crackdown on free speech and protest.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/protest-britain-activists-quaker-meeting-house

While the despicable slaughter of Medics continue the crimes against humanity aided and abetted by western governments.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0xp969n69o

Anyone believing these actions are mistaken, given the repeated nature, must surely now question the ‘truth’ we are being force fed and that’s when the MSM reports these crimes.

knewspeak

The BBC seems to be slowly starting to report the war crimes after either not reporting them or totally being biased in reporting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7vje365rno

McD

@knewspeak said:
The BBC seems to be slowly starting to report the war crimes after either not reporting them or totally being biased in reporting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7vje365rno

Too little, too late.

We could give them one of our organizational geniuses to fix this Palestinian Question in short order! Jared or Elon or Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon, right?

Simon

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:
The BBC seems to be slowly starting to report the war crimes after either not reporting them or totally being biased in reporting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7vje365rno

Too little, too late.

We could give them one of our organizational geniuses to fix this Palestinian Question in short order! Jared or Elon or Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon, right?

I thought it was all sorted - isn't it going to be a U.S. owned resort for rich people with a death wish?

McD

@Simon said:

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:
The BBC seems to be slowly starting to report the war crimes after either not reporting them or totally being biased in reporting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7vje365rno

Too little, too late.

We could give them one of our organizational geniuses to fix this Palestinian Question in short order! Jared or Elon or Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon, right?

I thought it was all sorted - isn't it going to be a U.S. owned resort for rich people with a death wish?

That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Simon

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

McD

@Simon said:

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

It could take generations to rebuild Gaza unless there is a global community that commits to the effort like the Post-WW2 rebuilding of Germany. That effort may payoff as the EU needs to decide on how to deal with Putin.

knewspeak

@McD said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

It could take generations to rebuild Gaza unless there is a global community that commits to the effort like the Post-WW2 rebuilding of Germany. That effort may payoff as the EU needs to decide on how to deal with Putin.

Yes it would take generations to build trust at least, buildings and infrastructure a little less with effort, but nothing except misery will continue unless the mirage of a settlement isn’t actually enacted.

Before the world and a large and growing number of people in western society this reveals the west as an hypocritical monster, sadly.

McD

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

It could take generations to rebuild Gaza unless there is a global community that commits to the effort like the Post-WW2 rebuilding of Germany. That effort may payoff as the EU needs to decide on how to deal with Putin.

Yes it would take generations to build trust at least, buildings and infrastructure a little less with effort, but nothing except misery will continue unless the mirage of a settlement isn’t actually enacted.

Before the world and a large and growing number of people in western society this reveals the west as an hypocritical monster, sadly.

Seriously. Have you been following the middle east since 1947?

Of course, the west is a hypocritical monster… ever since the Colonization of the Americas.
There’s a movie “How the West Was Won” which is just about the gene code of Native Americans.

The true irony of the “west” is that the immigrants risking all to just work in america have a “Native” lineage to
the America’s which include South America and Canada. Everyone that thinks they are “Real Americans” came on
boats from every other continent.

I’m suspect we might have common ground on this point. Are you English? They invented colonization along with the other
EU Old School countries.

knewspeak

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

It could take generations to rebuild Gaza unless there is a global community that commits to the effort like the Post-WW2 rebuilding of Germany. That effort may payoff as the EU needs to decide on how to deal with Putin.

Yes it would take generations to build trust at least, buildings and infrastructure a little less with effort, but nothing except misery will continue unless the mirage of a settlement isn’t actually enacted.

Before the world and a large and growing number of people in western society this reveals the west as an hypocritical monster, sadly.

Seriously. Have you been following the middle east since 1947?

Of course, the west is a hypocritical monster… ever since the Colonization of the Americas.
There’s a movie “How the West Was Won” which is just about the gene code of Native Americans.

The true irony of the “west” is that the immigrants risking all to just work in america have a “Native” lineage to
the America’s which include South America and Canada. Everyone that thinks they are “Real Americans” came on
boats from every other continent.

I’m suspect we might have common ground on this point. Are you English? They invented colonization along with the other
EU Old School countries.

Of course I know the history, but for the mass of people because it’s been glorified and sanitised the history speaks nothing to their own situation in life, yes I’m English from Sheffield, I wouldn’t say Britain invented colonialism they took it to another level and so on with the USA, it’s heir.

McD

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

It could take generations to rebuild Gaza unless there is a global community that commits to the effort like the Post-WW2 rebuilding of Germany. That effort may payoff as the EU needs to decide on how to deal with Putin.

Yes it would take generations to build trust at least, buildings and infrastructure a little less with effort, but nothing except misery will continue unless the mirage of a settlement isn’t actually enacted.

Before the world and a large and growing number of people in western society this reveals the west as an hypocritical monster, sadly.

Seriously. Have you been following the middle east since 1947?

Of course, the west is a hypocritical monster… ever since the Colonization of the Americas.
There’s a movie “How the West Was Won” which is just about the gene code of Native Americans.

The true irony of the “west” is that the immigrants risking all to just work in america have a “Native” lineage to
the America’s which include South America and Canada. Everyone that thinks they are “Real Americans” came on
boats from every other continent.

I’m suspect we might have common ground on this point. Are you English? They invented colonization along with the other
EU Old School countries.

Of course I know the history, but for the mass of people because it’s been glorified and sanitised the history speaks nothing to their own situation in life, yes I’m English from Sheffield, I wouldn’t say Britain invented colonialism they took it to another level and so on with the USA, it’s heir.

Have you read Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States”. Brutal details on the techniques of conquest just to get to the original 13 colonies.

Then “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee” to complete the history of ethnic cleansing of the original inhabitants.

I’d imagine there are similar atrocities for Canada, Mexico, etc.

The Palestinians have a lot of examples of how hard it is to get your land back after the new inhabitants gain a foothold.
Of course, England played a big part in re-assigning the deed to Palistine to Jewish Immigrants fleeing the genocide of
the Nazi’s. (I hope you accept that fact).

Simon

McD

Trump can play “pump and dump” with Wall Street without being subject to any SEC Violations.
He’s currently just playing with the options to make him the most (financially) successful President
ever.

knewspeak

@McD said:
Trump can play “pump and dump” with Wall Street without being subject to any SEC Violations.
He’s currently just playing with the options to make him the most (financially) successful President
ever.

I think you credit him too much intelligence for that, he’s been in the company of too many techies that hold to the MO move fast and break things. No doubt those in the know will have cashed in on the chaos.

Simon

@McD said:
Trump can play “pump and dump” with Wall Street without being subject to any SEC Violations.
He’s currently just playing with the options to make him the most (financially) successful President
ever.

I think he's just making it up more or less "day to day" and reacting to what happens after he announces something and it goes wrong.

What company would invest in setting up a factory in the USA with Trump changing his mind every second day...? Business loves stabilty and hates uncertainty.

Gavinski

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

It could take generations to rebuild Gaza unless there is a global community that commits to the effort like the Post-WW2 rebuilding of Germany. That effort may payoff as the EU needs to decide on how to deal with Putin.

Yes it would take generations to build trust at least, buildings and infrastructure a little less with effort, but nothing except misery will continue unless the mirage of a settlement isn’t actually enacted.

Before the world and a large and growing number of people in western society this reveals the west as an hypocritical monster, sadly.

Seriously. Have you been following the middle east since 1947?

Of course, the west is a hypocritical monster… ever since the Colonization of the Americas.
There’s a movie “How the West Was Won” which is just about the gene code of Native Americans.

The true irony of the “west” is that the immigrants risking all to just work in america have a “Native” lineage to
the America’s which include South America and Canada. Everyone that thinks they are “Real Americans” came on
boats from every other continent.

I’m suspect we might have common ground on this point. Are you English? They invented colonization along with the other
EU Old School countries.

Of course I know the history, but for the mass of people because it’s been glorified and sanitised the history speaks nothing to their own situation in life, yes I’m English from Sheffield, I wouldn’t say Britain invented colonialism they took it to another level and so on with the USA, it’s heir.

Have you read Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States”. Brutal details on the techniques of conquest just to get to the original 13 colonies.

Then “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee” to complete the history of ethnic cleansing of the original inhabitants.

I’d imagine there are similar atrocities for Canada, Mexico, etc.

The Palestinians have a lot of examples of how hard it is to get your land back after the new inhabitants gain a foothold.
Of course, England played a big part in re-assigning the deed to Palistine to Jewish Immigrants fleeing the genocide of
the Nazi’s. (I hope you accept that fact).

Check out Jared Sexton Yates' book American Rule' for another fascinating and disturbing "dark history" of the USA. I devoured it in a day or two, highly recommended

AlexY

Trump might not be intelligent in the conventional way, but let’s just say he does have a talent for grift.

what he and Axis fElon have in common is that they suffer from the dunning-Kruger effect.

JeffChasteen

@AlexY said:
Trump might not be intelligent in the conventional way, but let’s just say he does have a talent for grift.

what he and Axis fElon have in common is that they suffer from the dunning-Kruger effect.

True, but they also benefit from it.

JeffChasteen

@Gavinski said:

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

It could take generations to rebuild Gaza unless there is a global community that commits to the effort like the Post-WW2 rebuilding of Germany. That effort may payoff as the EU needs to decide on how to deal with Putin.

Yes it would take generations to build trust at least, buildings and infrastructure a little less with effort, but nothing except misery will continue unless the mirage of a settlement isn’t actually enacted.

Before the world and a large and growing number of people in western society this reveals the west as an hypocritical monster, sadly.

Seriously. Have you been following the middle east since 1947?

Of course, the west is a hypocritical monster… ever since the Colonization of the Americas.
There’s a movie “How the West Was Won” which is just about the gene code of Native Americans.

The true irony of the “west” is that the immigrants risking all to just work in america have a “Native” lineage to
the America’s which include South America and Canada. Everyone that thinks they are “Real Americans” came on
boats from every other continent.

I’m suspect we might have common ground on this point. Are you English? They invented colonization along with the other
EU Old School countries.

Of course I know the history, but for the mass of people because it’s been glorified and sanitised the history speaks nothing to their own situation in life, yes I’m English from Sheffield, I wouldn’t say Britain invented colonialism they took it to another level and so on with the USA, it’s heir.

Have you read Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States”. Brutal details on the techniques of conquest just to get to the original 13 colonies.

Then “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee” to complete the history of ethnic cleansing of the original inhabitants.

I’d imagine there are similar atrocities for Canada, Mexico, etc.

The Palestinians have a lot of examples of how hard it is to get your land back after the new inhabitants gain a foothold.
Of course, England played a big part in re-assigning the deed to Palistine to Jewish Immigrants fleeing the genocide of
the Nazi’s. (I hope you accept that fact).

Check out Jared Sexton Yates' book American Rule' for another fascinating and disturbing "dark history" of the USA. I devoured it in a day or two, highly recommended

Double this recommendation. It is a fantastic work.

McD

@Gavinski said:

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

It could take generations to rebuild Gaza unless there is a global community that commits to the effort like the Post-WW2 rebuilding of Germany. That effort may payoff as the EU needs to decide on how to deal with Putin.

Yes it would take generations to build trust at least, buildings and infrastructure a little less with effort, but nothing except misery will continue unless the mirage of a settlement isn’t actually enacted.

Before the world and a large and growing number of people in western society this reveals the west as an hypocritical monster, sadly.

Seriously. Have you been following the middle east since 1947?

Of course, the west is a hypocritical monster… ever since the Colonization of the Americas.
There’s a movie “How the West Was Won” which is just about the gene code of Native Americans.

The true irony of the “west” is that the immigrants risking all to just work in america have a “Native” lineage to
the America’s which include South America and Canada. Everyone that thinks they are “Real Americans” came on
boats from every other continent.

I’m suspect we might have common ground on this point. Are you English? They invented colonization along with the other
EU Old School countries.

Of course I know the history, but for the mass of people because it’s been glorified and sanitised the history speaks nothing to their own situation in life, yes I’m English from Sheffield, I wouldn’t say Britain invented colonialism they took it to another level and so on with the USA, it’s heir.

Have you read Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States”. Brutal details on the techniques of conquest just to get to the original 13 colonies.

Then “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee” to complete the history of ethnic cleansing of the original inhabitants.

I’d imagine there are similar atrocities for Canada, Mexico, etc.

The Palestinians have a lot of examples of how hard it is to get your land back after the new inhabitants gain a foothold.
Of course, England played a big part in re-assigning the deed to Palistine to Jewish Immigrants fleeing the genocide of
the Nazi’s. (I hope you accept that fact).

Check out Jared Sexton Yates' book American Rule' for another fascinating and disturbing "dark history" of the USA. I devoured it in a day or two, highly recommended

Will do.

knewspeak

@McD said:

@Gavinski said:

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:

@Simon said:

@McD said:
That’sTrump’s vision… ocean front property for Trump Hotels and Golf Courses. Lot’s of service jobs for Palestinian people.
Trump is a job creator and supreme grifter. He proposed a similar scheme to Kim Jong Un…he was not amused. Netanyahu on the other hand is going to use Trump as a shield against his land grab.

Good luck trying to get insurance for a property in Gaza.

With all the beautiful, safe resorts in the world why would you go there and take your life in your hands..?

It could take generations to rebuild Gaza unless there is a global community that commits to the effort like the Post-WW2 rebuilding of Germany. That effort may payoff as the EU needs to decide on how to deal with Putin.

Yes it would take generations to build trust at least, buildings and infrastructure a little less with effort, but nothing except misery will continue unless the mirage of a settlement isn’t actually enacted.

Before the world and a large and growing number of people in western society this reveals the west as an hypocritical monster, sadly.

Seriously. Have you been following the middle east since 1947?

Of course, the west is a hypocritical monster… ever since the Colonization of the Americas.
There’s a movie “How the West Was Won” which is just about the gene code of Native Americans.

The true irony of the “west” is that the immigrants risking all to just work in america have a “Native” lineage to
the America’s which include South America and Canada. Everyone that thinks they are “Real Americans” came on
boats from every other continent.

I’m suspect we might have common ground on this point. Are you English? They invented colonization along with the other
EU Old School countries.

Of course I know the history, but for the mass of people because it’s been glorified and sanitised the history speaks nothing to their own situation in life, yes I’m English from Sheffield, I wouldn’t say Britain invented colonialism they took it to another level and so on with the USA, it’s heir.

Have you read Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States”. Brutal details on the techniques of conquest just to get to the original 13 colonies.

Then “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee” to complete the history of ethnic cleansing of the original inhabitants.

I’d imagine there are similar atrocities for Canada, Mexico, etc.

The Palestinians have a lot of examples of how hard it is to get your land back after the new inhabitants gain a foothold.
Of course, England played a big part in re-assigning the deed to Palistine to Jewish Immigrants fleeing the genocide of
the Nazi’s. (I hope you accept that fact).

Check out Jared Sexton Yates' book American Rule' for another fascinating and disturbing "dark history" of the USA. I devoured it in a day or two, highly recommended

Will do.

Will do too, thanks.

First is created the excuse, permission, the normalisation, then the acceptance, then the expectation of participation. This is the corruption of ethics, morality, of the soul.

knewspeak

@knewspeak said:

@McD said:
Trump can play “pump and dump” with Wall Street without being subject to any SEC Violations.
He’s currently just playing with the options to make him the most (financially) successful President
ever.

I think you credit him too much intelligence for that, he’s been in the company of too many techies that hold to the MO move fast and break things. No doubt those in the know will have cashed in on the chaos.

Cashed in on 135 billion so I’m hearing, anyone have any other information about this cash grab.

Simon

So, 2 weeks ago Trump said China was bad and had been ripping off the US and he was going to impose a whopping 145% tariff on them.

Now he says he is going to reduce the tariffs greatly and be "nice" with China.

Do people in the US still support this flip-flopping politician? What do people say at the water cooler or in the lunch room? Surely they can't be unaware of his on again-off again, flip-flopping antics...? Are any MAGA people waking up to the reality of this guy?

AlexY

It’s called The Art Of The Own-Goal

knewspeak

@Simon said:
So, 2 weeks ago Trump said China was bad and had been ripping off the US and he was going to impose a whopping 145% tariff on them.

Now he says he is going to reduce the tariffs greatly and be "nice" with China.

Do people in the US still support this flip-flopping politician? What do people say at the water cooler or in the lunch room? Surely they can't be unaware of his on again-off again, flip-flopping antics...? Are any MAGA people waking up to the reality of this guy?

It’s called bullying and flip-flopping is something they do when they meet their match, unfortunately the USA has a sizeable number of military bases around China (and the world for that matter) toys that have to be used, got to keep the MIC happy, it’s one thing the USA still makes, machines for murder.

Simon

MAGA voters might be unable to see the faults with Trump but at least the his billionaire backers can see problems:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/24/business/ken-griffin-trump-trade-war-brand/index.html

AlexY

It’s going copacetic, if one happens to believe that a data breach and mysterious connections to Russian IP addresses are a good thing.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-5355896/doge-nlrb-elon-musk-spacex-security