Drambo generative question

oscillotus

@bleep said:
It is not so hard Here is a good experiment using the switch modules, you end up with some nice bleeping drones.

Thanks! Will have a look!

oscillotus

If I have an amp linked to an lfo, is there a way to add a module that dephases said lfo and link this module to another amp? I tried the delay, but it doesn't dephase enough. The idea would be to have like 3-4 lfos all dephased by something like 1/4 phase. But all still linked to the first lfo, so that when I modulate the lfo, all others follow.

pedro

Not sure what you’re trying to do but you can chain delays in series for longer times

rs2000

@oscillotus said:
If I have an amp linked to an lfo, is there a way to add a module that dephases said lfo and link this module to another amp? I tried the delay, but it doesn't dephase enough. The idea would be to have like 3-4 lfos all dephased by something like 1/4 phase. But all still linked to the first lfo, so that when I modulate the lfo, all others follow.

I'd rather use 4 LFOs, each with a different phase setting but all with the same speed and modulation applied.
You can sync LFOs by sending a "rising edge" signal to its gate input, which could be a 5th LFO also modulated in the same way but using the Square waveform (although in this case it doesn't matter).
This way, you could also modulate the phase of each LFO later if you want, without the disadvantages of delays and you'll get instant response.
I've set the Phase knobs of LFO 2..5 to 0.00, 0.25, 0.50 and 0.75 respectively.

oscillotus

@pedro said:
Not sure what you’re trying to do but you can chain delays in series for longer times

Didn't know that, thanks!

@rs2000 said:

@oscillotus said:
If I have an amp linked to an lfo, is there a way to add a module that dephases said lfo and link this module to another amp? I tried the delay, but it doesn't dephase enough. The idea would be to have like 3-4 lfos all dephased by something like 1/4 phase. But all still linked to the first lfo, so that when I modulate the lfo, all others follow.

I'd rather use 4 LFOs, each with a different phase setting but all with the same speed and modulation applied.
You can sync LFOs by sending a "rising edge" signal to its gate input, which could be a 5th LFO also modulated in the same way but using the Square waveform (although in this case it doesn't matter).
This way, you could also modulate the phase of each LFO later if you want, without the disadvantages of delays and you'll get instant response.
I've set the Phase knobs of LFO 2..5 to 0.00, 0.25, 0.50 and 0.75 respectively.

I'll probably do this! I don't quite understand the rising edge LFO. Is there any advantage in using another LFO to sync the other LFOs over using a Transport Time module?

rs2000

@oscillotus said:

@pedro said:
Not sure what you’re trying to do but you can chain delays in series for longer times

Didn't know that, thanks!

@rs2000 said:

@oscillotus said:
If I have an amp linked to an lfo, is there a way to add a module that dephases said lfo and link this module to another amp? I tried the delay, but it doesn't dephase enough. The idea would be to have like 3-4 lfos all dephased by something like 1/4 phase. But all still linked to the first lfo, so that when I modulate the lfo, all others follow.

I'd rather use 4 LFOs, each with a different phase setting but all with the same speed and modulation applied.
You can sync LFOs by sending a "rising edge" signal to its gate input, which could be a 5th LFO also modulated in the same way but using the Square waveform (although in this case it doesn't matter).
This way, you could also modulate the phase of each LFO later if you want, without the disadvantages of delays and you'll get instant response.
I've set the Phase knobs of LFO 2..5 to 0.00, 0.25, 0.50 and 0.75 respectively.

I'll probably do this! I don't quite understand the rising edge LFO. Is there any advantage in using another LFO to sync the other LFOs over using a Transport Time module?

Not really, just another way to do it. You might want to consider my version if you want to retrigger the LFOs faster than the cycle time they're set to.

oscillotus

@rs2000 said:

@oscillotus said:

@pedro said:
Not sure what you’re trying to do but you can chain delays in series for longer times

Didn't know that, thanks!

@rs2000 said:

@oscillotus said:
If I have an amp linked to an lfo, is there a way to add a module that dephases said lfo and link this module to another amp? I tried the delay, but it doesn't dephase enough. The idea would be to have like 3-4 lfos all dephased by something like 1/4 phase. But all still linked to the first lfo, so that when I modulate the lfo, all others follow.

I'd rather use 4 LFOs, each with a different phase setting but all with the same speed and modulation applied.
You can sync LFOs by sending a "rising edge" signal to its gate input, which could be a 5th LFO also modulated in the same way but using the Square waveform (although in this case it doesn't matter).
This way, you could also modulate the phase of each LFO later if you want, without the disadvantages of delays and you'll get instant response.
I've set the Phase knobs of LFO 2..5 to 0.00, 0.25, 0.50 and 0.75 respectively.

I'll probably do this! I don't quite understand the rising edge LFO. Is there any advantage in using another LFO to sync the other LFOs over using a Transport Time module?

Not really, just another way to do it. You might want to consider my version if you want to retrigger the LFOs faster than the cycle time they're set to.

Thanks @rs2000

oscillotus

Is there a way to stop the latch module from playing the latched note when the transport stops? I could modulate an amp module, but is there a more direct way?

timfromtheborder

@oscillotus said:
Is there a way to stop the latch module from playing the latched note when the transport stops? I could modulate an amp module, but is there a more direct way?

You can modulate buttons using p-locks 🙂‍↔️

For example, hold down a step and hit the button. Do it again on another step to turn it off. This will only work if set up correctly! Meaning the p-lock step to turn it off has to be made when it is on, etc.

That’s the only way I know to modulate buttons.

rs2000

@timfromtheborder said:

@oscillotus said:
Is there a way to stop the latch module from playing the latched note when the transport stops? I could modulate an amp module, but is there a more direct way?

You can modulate buttons using p-locks 🙂‍↔️

For example, hold down a step and hit the button. Do it again on another step to turn it off. This will only work if set up correctly! Meaning the p-lock step to turn it off has to be made when it is on, etc.

That’s the only way I know to modulate buttons.

There's another way, using the Morph module, giving you "real" modulation:
Add a Morph module in front of Latch, hit Assign and switch on the Latch button. Then disable Assign.

In case you need something like a transport monitor, you can try this one which I built long ago:
https://patchstorage.com/transport-status-2/

It gives you a start pulse when transport is started, a steady bpm signal that changes when bpm changes, a "playing" signal that is only high while playing and a "stopped" signal that is only high while transport is stopped.
You could combine your latching modulation signal with the transport running signal in a Logic AND module so while transport is running, you still have full control over latching. Only when transport stops, this setup makes sure that an active Latch is always disabled.

timfromtheborder

Ah of course, I forgot about Morph! I did know about that.

That transport monitor is great though, I could really use it. Cheers.

mjpc

wonderful thread, thanks to all from an avid lurker!

oscillotus

Thanks again @rs2000 and @timfromtheborder 😎

oscillotus

From what I've gathered in the Oscilloscope, the Transport Time module only creates a rising signal when transport starts, but no gate off signal when transport stops. Is there a way to achieve a gate off signal when transport stops? I feel there is an obvious solution, but I just seem to not get it...

oscillotus

Also, I can't seem to make the Latch module work properly. How can I make endless drones without notes getting retriggered every bar? Maybe the Latch module isn't meant to do that?

timfromtheborder

For gate off when Transport stops, check out the module rs2000 posted above.

Use Toggle mode in Latch to avoid retriggering. If you don’t want notes to be repeated at all, go into the component view and add a Once condition to the step.

oscillotus

For gate off when Transport stops, check out the module rs2000 posted above.

My bad, should have been more attentive...! I glanced over it but didn't take the time to make sense of it.

Use Toggle mode in Latch to avoid retriggering. If you don’t want notes to be repeated at all, go into the component view and add a Once condition to the step.

This kind of works, but the Toggle mode keeps the note on for one bar and then off for the next bar. This means that with the Once condition, I'll have to trigger the transport twice so that the note is played. Am I doing something wrong?

timfromtheborder

That doesn’t seem right. Toggle means that if you play a C3 it latches, and another C3 will unlatch. So if you only play one note then it should stay latched.

oscillotus

@timfromtheborder said:
That doesn’t seem right. Toggle means that if you play a C3 it latches, and another C3 will unlatch. So if you only play one note then it should stay latched.

Yes, but let's say I start transport, then it latches. Then I stop transport, then it stays latched. But when I start transport again, then the note is played again, this means it unlatches. Then I need to stop the transport and start again for it to latch again? I hope I make sense, if not, let me know, I'll make a video!

timfromtheborder

Right, that’s why you need to use Morph to turn the latch button on and off. Turning latch off will “forget” any notes that were latched.

oscillotus

Right, I asked about that myself lol. I guess I'm a bit surprised that it's somewhat convulated to achieve something IMO pretty basic. Especially when the rest of Drambo feels so well thought and polished. I feel there should be an easier solution? Or is this just something people don't often do? The only other reference I have in grooveboxes is Novations Circuit, which permits to "link" the same notes together for endless play, which is pretty straightforward, and stops when the transport stops without the need of extra steps.

timfromtheborder

Well that’s where the sequencer butts heads with the modular, I suppose. There is an entirely modular solution (multiple I’m sure) if you drop MIDI and stick to CV.

oscillotus

@timfromtheborder said:
Well that’s where the sequencer butts heads with the modular, I suppose. There is an entirely modular solution (multiple I’m sure) if you drop MIDI and stick to CV.

Yeah! I made a small CV rack that achieves parts of this using the Pitch (oct, semi, fine) module and the Chord module. And with @rs2000 's patch it should do excatly what I'm looking for. I was just curious to test each methods limitations.

oscillotus

@rs2000 just tried the patch and it's really neat! Exactly what I needed! I will use and abuse it for sure in all projects. I've been trying to achieve some of that stuff for the last couple of days without an ounce of success. Will also try to understand how it works, and I'm sure it's not that complicated, but for someone new in modular this looks like foreign language for me he!

rs2000

@oscillotus said:
@rs2000 just tried the patch and it's really neat! Exactly what I needed! I will use and abuse it for sure in all projects. I've been trying to achieve some of that stuff for the last couple of days without an ounce of success. Will also try to understand how it works, and I'm sure it's not that complicated, but for someone new in modular this looks like foreign language for me he!

Thanks!
Indeed it wasn't that easy to make it work without nasty side effects and it involves quite a bit of "modular math", if you will.
I've suggested a dedicated "Transport Status" module as a new feature, but the developer has been busy with too many other features so far 😊

oscillotus

Is it possible using the Flexi Sampler to move down the pitch while keeping the sample speed the same? A bit like what's possible in Koala and Loopy Pro?

timfromtheborder

@oscillotus said:
Is it possible using the Flexi Sampler to move down the pitch while keeping the sample speed the same? A bit like what's possible in Koala and Loopy Pro?

I don’t think so, but you can use the Pitch shifter module.

oscillotus

Thanks! 😎

bleep

It is possible, tap on Flexi header and turn on Stretching option.

timfromtheborder

@bleep said:
It is possible, tap on Flexi header and turn on Stretching option.

🙌