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'tis usually better to assume ignorance than malice
If you were talking about a very non-strumming scenario, and above he starts with "if you really want to strum the guitar..." then I'd say he forgot the details of your original request. I'm pretty sure he knows that you know how both of these apps work
Fair enough.. Okay I'll explain again. It has nothing to do with struming at all.. It has nothing to do with chords. I just wanted it so when I touch a note on first fret and take my finger off the note continues to ring out until dissipating. It's a technique commonly used in clean tone classical guitar scenarios mostly. On a real guitar I would pluck the open E string and as it rings out, I solo to it on the other strings (like in Hallowed be thy name by Iron Maiden). I first came into this problem when attempting to pay the intro to "To defy the laws of tradition" by Primus as the low E is very difficult to hold while playing the rest of the riff. Aside from that I can play it perfectly, it's just that one thing stopping it from being correct.
Hallowed be thy name: Guitar Example
To defy the laws of tradition: Bass Example
Well, if it's the intro of the Iron Maiden song you're talking about, it's playable. Bass note played and held with one finger of the left hand, harmony guitar parts with two fingers of the right hand.
The other tune I don't think I could play even with an open string feature, it's for plucking, not tapping.
@PaulB I know I can try to play it that way. I'm just trying to give easy to see examples of the function. I'd probably have to make a video to really show you how it would be easier on an ifretless app by playing a variety of different riffs.. And also to prove to you that I can play "To defy the laws of tradition" on iFretless bass. it's not plucking in the intro, it's finger picked, thumb and forefinger. The rest of the song after the intro, slaps and plucks, is that what you meant? Cause yeah, apart from the intro, good luck on this controller!!! lol But I'm not going to make a video.. Since no one even gets what I'm asking for, I give up. I do have real bass and guitar which are getting neglected. As soon as I get that Apogee Jam.. I'll be focusing on real insrtuments again. So my requests are no biggie if no one understands or wants it too. Just wanted a more realistic experience for my playing style but it's all good. :-)
Ok, not plucked, picked, no feathers involved, gotcha.
It was indeed the intro I was referring to, not the slap bass part. My point was picking is not like tapping. Try playing it on a real guitar with only finger tapping on the fretboard, since that's really what iFretless simulates.
I understand your frustration with not quite having your ideal controller. I wanted the MIDI polybending of Geo Synth coupled with the velocity sensing of iFretless, but one dev doesn't want to do it and the other choked on his own code.
@PaulB hehe Yeah. In all fairness though, regarding geo.. Jordan does have his own dev who also made changes to Geo after Rob built it. For Rob to come back into it now, it's kind of a huge deal.. So it's not so much that he's choking on his own code as much as a jigsaw puzzle of code surprises. ;-)
@PaulB I want the polybending of Geo, velocity sensing of iFretless, vibrato sensing of TJ, strumming engine of guitarism and breath sensing of Ocarina, all in one monster app. Maybe someday
@Ryan sorry if that comment sounded rude. I didn't mean it that way. I just feel that in the world of guitar apps each app has its place and I like keeping iFretless different from other apps rather than making that monster app that does everything. Maybe someday we will add more interface options.
I understand that what you want is not really strumming but a set of open strings that ring out instead of stopping when you aren't touching them. It's @Rhism said, I can't figure out how to optionally stop the ringing in a way that would make the UI smooth and easy to understand.
Users are already complaining that iFretless is difficult to understand. We're working on a better help system. But even with that, we need to be very careful not to include new features unless they offer a high ratio of usability to complexity.
@Ryan Ok, I think you should revisit this. It's actually playable.
I used one finger on my left hand to play all the lower notes except the "open" E and one finger on my right hand to play the high repeating E all the way through. All I had to do then was plonk my right thumb down on the low "open" E at the right time and leave it there until it was time to play it again to simulate the sustain of an open string. With a bit of practice, you'll probably find it easier than I did, as my guitar skills are decidedly rusty.
@PaulB lol I can't believe you learned that riff. I did notice you were basically tapping it though.. I can do it a lot better if i'm not concentrating on keeping all fingers pressed for the right amount of time. But I just can't nail that open E everytime as I get confused with all the holding and releasing and holding. So that's when I thought it'd be much easier if I didn't have to hold it.. After trying to playing it right now you have to admit it'd be a lot cleaner if you didn't have to worry about that open E. Wouldn't it? :-)
@Blue_Mangoo I understand. It's all good. :-)
@PaulB That's quite good!
@PaulB Here's me playing it without the low E... I mucked it up quite a bit.. But At the end I attempt to play the verse riff wich worked out much better then I had thought.
Is the quote of the day.
@blue_mangoo fwiw, I took your suggestion as you meant it. And thought it was very cool in light of the discussion of 'competitors' and what not.
@ryan I think it's rad that your willing to both light up a bit and still listen and be reasonable.
Good forum right here.
@syrupcore Thanks man. I'm weird like that. lol and i agree.
@Blue_Mangoo @PaulB I just realized that if I just use iFretless as a midi controller then I can just adjust the release in the controlled app. Problem solved. ;-)
@Ryan
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Perhaps we should designing a capacitive rubber suction cup that people can stick on the screen to hold out notes indefinitely.
</joke>
<serious>
If you're playing a song that has just one droning E, record the note you want to drone in the loop recorder, then pause the loop. The loop recorder will save your recording and leave a play/pause button in the corner of the screen. It's a kluge solution but once you get comfortable with using the loop recorder it might be quite convenient.
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@Blue_Mangoo jests but I for one would love to see a physical strings hardware accessory that plugs into iPhone / iPad.
Like this.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=JfEwnbpcoi0&desktop_uri=/watch?v=JfEwnbpcoi0
http://jamstik.com/
@Rhism That exists. It's called JamStik. It's going to be AWESOME! https://www.facebook.com/JamStik
@Ryan Yeah, can't wait.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/the-zivix-jamstik-is-an-absolutely-amazing-portable-midi-guitar-for-beginners-and-pros/
@Ryan check out this songwriters tool.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/stringmaster/id509014353?mt=8
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=6MTF3bTJ0jA&desktop_uri=/watch?v=6MTF3bTJ0jA
@Ryan @mgmg4871 That does look delicious. Though I really want a strings without frets accessory, so I can do the fretting on the iDevice
@Rhism Play with a slide?
@Ryan I want to play guitarism chords with real strings
@Rhism hmm not sure why you'd want it to be fretless then. I don't think I understand what you want lol :-)
@Ryan I misspoke - I don't want it fretless, I want it neckless. I.e. I don't want the whole section with the frets. I just want 6 strings that connect to the bottom of my iPhone / iPad so I can select chords on the iDevice and use the real strings to actually trigger sounds.
@Rhism I see what you mean. That would be cool for sure. I'm not sure that would ever happen. Seems to risky to make something only a few people could use. But it would be really awesome for the few of that would use it. For now though I'm really excited about the JamStik. They promised a full 24 fret version from what I've heard.
@Ryan Not sure what you mean by 'basically just tapping it', cuz yeah... Lol.
I deliberately kept all notes short and percussive except the low E so that you could hear that one note sustaining through. I could play it smoother if required. Perhaps it would have helped if I knew the song. Lol
Anyway, glad you found a workaround.
@PaulB heh alright. Well you are way better at it then I am then. Anyways... all in all I didn't really want the function to work just so I could play that riff.. It was just the riff I noticed it on when I was messing around. And also the release isn't working very well at all.. I can "hack" the bm2 file and make only the open notes have release but that's hardly handy.. heh.. I should just use these apps for what they are good at and play bass riffs on bass. heh so much easier for things like this. where as tapping solos are crap loads easier on iFretless.
Very true, I was thinking of making the observation that, at the end of the day, iFretless is not a guitar, it's a whole new instrument and there are going to be differences.
@Ryan Yeah need to sell 100M copies of guitarism first
@PaulB Indeed! And the same can be said for almost any iOS instrument. You can do things on iFretless you can't do on a real guitar, and the converse is also true.