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Never seen that happen in many years of using ASIO4ALL. And what does MIDI hardware have to do with ASIO?
Oi, I didn't say that - don't mis-quote me.
What I said was: "I've probably spent 'hundreds', on my ipad music apps, compared to many 'thousands' on Windows versions. You can't slag off iOS as a platform by comparing it to another which would cost you ten times more to replicate. They're two completely different things."
You can't compare them - they are two different platforms. Just like you can't compare Logic or Ableton to Auria, or Massive to Thor (though for a tenth of the price they're getting pretty close). You can only weigh up the options and pick what's right for your budget and requirements.
Just enjoy what they do provide. If the limitations are too great then up your budget go back to Windows.
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Yes it works but not with the best latency.Here you have the answer pasted from yahoo.
Best Answer: It allows you to use ASIO even if your sound card doesn't natively support it. ASIO is Steinberg's extremely low latency audio driver interface, something that's very nice to have if you're recording MIDI performances.
It's legit and very nice for sound cards that don't support ASIO directly.
And read this wiki link http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Stream_Input/Output
c'mon Monzo on a forum where we compare gadget to the impc everyday haha we can compare two tablets, but really what's going on is that people are tired of apple giving them the reach around. Apple is too rich to have any excuse for stifling the music making community like they do. this community has been there for them when they needed us and have been rewarded with obstacles and unnecessary restrictions. It's sad really when you think about it cause if not apple then who and what other company is going to be in a better position to turn things around musically for music development. more and more people are choosing windows today over apples promised tomorrow. I could never give up samplr, sector, soundprism, soundscaper, etc... so I won't ever stop using my ipad but a surface is definitely worth adding to the mix for ableton, renoise, and reason alone
A native ThumbJam on a surface pro 4 and i´m sold ; )
I have no loyalty to Apple, but I don't think all the issues can be laid on their table, and I'm grateful they've provided me with a platform for lots of great, cheap gizmos to play with.
Regarding Gadget vs iMPC Pro - they're both a similar price, iOS based and can be used for sequencing samples so it's not out of the reals of probability to think they can be compared. It's not like comparing Gadget to say, Maschine.
I'm going by many years of personal experience, not Yahoo which is a pretty poor source for information about anything.
I've never had a really high end card like RME, but with the half dozen or so interfaces I have used ASIO4ALL with, it has always outperformed the native ASIO drivers from Presonus, Echo, etc.
And again, none of this has the least bit to do with MIDI...
You're off-base my friend. It's when we DON'T get the reach around that we feel hard done by. You knew you were going to get fucked when you walked in the door....
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iOS is still young, I think allot of people thought that a new platform, was going to yield a new revitalization of apples commitment to creatives and all of their marketing suggest that also... as it stands now they've gone forward with tablets but backwards with support for the music community, now many are hopeful that iOS 9 and the new upcoming tablets will go in a different direction. It could happen, but then again they could communicate that as well.
@monzo, the ironic thing is that there are people who use maschine that compare it with an iPad all of the time. this is because music, and what musicians need isn't quantifiable in the same way as the simple price points of maschine vs. an ipad, and in some ways gadget out performs maschine.
Can you run Windows desktop programs along with Windows tablet apps at the same time? Or do the OSes run separately?
another way to look at it is like this, most musicians coming to the iOS platform, have invested allot of money on desktop gear, software, and hardware, if the budget was the deciding factor most of us might not be here, you spent allot of money on an iPad and allot of money on apps even though they're just a coffee or a beer, that's allot of coffee and beer. So imo with our situation in particular the cost is not the price of viability.
No- separate things (unless there's some sort of emulator?)
The reason for the excitement about the Surface Pro is that it DOES run all those desktop programs, from what I've read there are hardly any worthwhile music apps that have been written for the Windows tablet architecture. Which doesn't mean that those desktop programs can't be designed to take advantage of touch screens- that seems to be starting, but has a long way to go to catch up to what we have on iOS.
That would be great if you could run tablet and desktop apps side by side in the same OS.
I guess an advantage of owning a Air 2 and a laptop/desktop is that it is easy to transfer files and audio between them. Plus you can use them both at the same time and even sync them together.
The reason why I brought this up is because I just ordered a device that is designed for this. From the description:
"A synth running on your iPad could behave as if it were a touch-controlled plug-in running inside your host DAW, or you could process a software instrument in your DAW through an effects processing app like a amp simulator on your iPhone. If you are feeling adventurous you can even use your Mac or PC as a slave to your iOS device. The iConnectMIDI2+ offers seamless integration in all directions."
http://www.iconnectivity.com/iConnectMIDI2plus
is the iconnect stuff just plug up and go or is there allot of setup issues? and how do they compare to audiomux and midi i/0?
It usually needs to be setup for your particular usage. The routing can be pretty complex, but again, it depends on what you are trying to do. You could literally plug everything in and start using it, but it's pretty likely that the default settings are not what you'd wanted.
The software solutions are probably a bit easier to get going, but many people need the hardware ports that the iCM devices have, so it's not really a fair comparison.
Sorry kobamoto I haven't received it yet and I don't know how it compares to Audiomux. As far as setup and how it works check out this video. It was made in December which is important because it has been out for a couple of years and has gone through improvements.
ok thanks will check it out... I had been interested in the iconns a while back but I started to see long conversations pop up around them and it gave me the impression that they weren't as simple a solution as they look. I'd love to use the iPad to process audio running on my other computers, and maybe a future tablet pc
My experience only, but I found the iCM2 to be a great MIDI interface, both for iOS and PC. If you are just looking for a MIDI interface, it's a great choice. I found the audio pass through feature a lot less satisfactory, but, I've heard others have had good results with that.
....sorry, we are going pretty far offtopic....
(Not sure what's up with the comment formatting....)
I can compare the speed of my ten year old, diesel Focus estate against a new Porsche 911, but it wouldn't be fair on my Focus to then complain about it.
I know the iPad isn't perfect (confirmed by my attempts to record with it last night), neither is Windows for that matter - but when complaining about the iPads lack of features you have to factor in it's lower cost - otherwise it's an unfair comparison to make.
not saying that we shouldn't think about cost, you and me will go down in history as the last people to get cyclops cause of the cost but the fact is that the people considering the other tablets are iPad users just like us so all things being considered the iPads direct competitor is a tablet pc that runs desktop software that cost allot more than iPad apps.
In my case I have personally spent £1000's on iPad apps and iPad upgrades chasing the dream so I guess its the hare and the tortoise.
Both are comparatively expensive, one cost is spread over time in small chunks and the other saved for overtime and spent in bigger chunks.
I've had my IConnectAudio4+ for a couple weeks now and I was able to record into my MacBook Pro Logic Pro from Bias on my iPad within 30 minutes of opening the box using the default configuration from the front panel. I'd say for recording its pretty simple, just make sure you understand the routing configurations and learn how the defaults work before diving into making all kinds of changes.
I think for live performance configuration things are much more complex and can require much more routing work especially if you have a lot of stuff you connect to you iPads tor iPad and Laptop.
I pretty much leave it connected to both my iPad and MacBook Pro all the time when I am at my desk, its nice to have all the sound come out at one place and be able to trivially push stuff back and forth as needed.
While I've tried AudioMux, I was never able to get the latency down to what I found acceptable (only spent a few hours on it so I'm not saying I tried everything) the latency with the iCA4+ has been acceptable from the moment I turned it on. The latency settings can get complex with both apps have latency settings and the iCA4+ have its own latency settings, anther thing to read up on and make sure you understand when starting with a iConnectivity device.
To stay on topic: at least with the Surface pro you'll have an iConfig for the iCA4+ that works.
Yes but they're not comparable software costs wise. Sugar Bytes apps for example are about 8 times more expensive. If you want the same setup as you have on the iPad it's going to cost you a lot more money. Sure you'll have the joy of Live (though just that one will cost you the same as buying a new iPad), but unless you're very wealthy you won't enjoy such a big range of synths and effects as you do on the iPad.
I'm not defending apple - I hate them - or sticking up for iOS as a music platform - it's a buggy nightmare hell of frustration half the time - but that's usually down to individual apps, not the OS. For the outlay it's still very good value for what it provides, and that recognition seems to be missing from this thread. Don't lose sight of the good times:
http://thesoundtestroom.com/synthmaster-korg-im1-cassini-animoog-rdm-effectrix-seekbeats-aufx-dub/
@monzo said:
I agree. To save money I'm getting the lite version of Live for the Mac and use my iPad synths and effects as plugins through iConnect.
@monzo I do agree, but in the knowledge that I amassed an absolute army of apps that sat unused and thus un-enjoyed that cost a small fortune....with no real way to connect them all seamlessly (and not through the lack of trying!)...
...in my specific case I believe I have brought parity to my decision at least in some sense by thinking of it as sort of short term vs long term gains scenario.....ie: buying 10 synth apps at £15 on iOS that I won't use (my honest case on iPad) or buy 1 synth app on Windows at £150 that I have demoed, love and can use 10 times + in one project...(my predicted case on Windows, not spent any money yet!)
...but again I am just one specific case and everyones tastes and requirements tend to differ wildly...
I intend to get a cheap iPad mini down the line at some point (probably to be able to justify abandoning so many great iPad apps!) but for now I am exploring again
Not to argue but you are kidding about the iPad synths? ThumbJam, Gadget, Egoist, Nave, Different Drumer, Sector, Turnado, iSem, Boarderlands, Ape Soft apps, and many more. Some of these are Windows programs sold at a considerable discount. I'm just saying...
I know where you're coming from, I've spent at least £100 on apps that I can't use because they don't work properly so they don't get used - but even then there's been at least some pleasure when buying something new and mucking about with it for the first time. Different Drummer for example - cost nearly a tenner but I had a few hours of enjoyment when I first bought it - it's only since trying to use it in other things I've discovered it's shortcomings. Would I want to swap that £100 for the hours of enjoyment I've had from those apps? Nope. I don't use Samplr much, but have easily had a fiver's worth of pleasure out of it. You can't regret having fun.
If you're a serious musician then obviously investing in better tools is the thing to do - I don't run my web/design business from a bunch of iPhone apps, but as music's just a bit of fun for me the iPad is a great value platform for mucking about, and part of the fun is reading about a new app on here, spending a few quid having a bit of a muck about for the evening and then coming on here to moan about it in the morning.
Maybe the iPad is aimed at idiots like me not pro's, if so then it's doing a good job and the pro's can go and spend loads of cash on Windows machines......and then enjoy the horror of that platform WHEN THINGS START GOING WRONG.
My Windows PC black screened this morning and wouldn't boot up, but after a bit of faff I got it up and running, only to discover it hadn't picked up the drivers so I had to reboot again. I'm guessing I'll need to replace the hard drive, again, as the disk was whirring like a mad thing, or it could be the motherboard. Again. It's not a trojan (this time), as I did an hour's scan, and is still clean from last week's infection.
i certainly don't hate apple, just hate that they're streamlining obstacles over streamlining solutions on ios. I love my macbook to death and run windows which I'm extremely comfortable with on another computer, used windows all my life up until about 5 yrs ago, anyways an iPad mini and a surface running ableton + an iconnect sounds like a pretty snazzy compact setup.
controlling apps in ableton via thumbjam, sound prism, orphion, and being able to record all of my iPad stuff into ableton sounds great, add hurmutt lobby to the equation and i'm already looking for ways to make it happen sub consciously lol
I'm not a pro but the music made by the people on this forum sounds professional to me. It's very high quality. I think music app development in iOS is great. Plus I'd rather use a touch screen than being hunched over a keyboard staring into a monitor.